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I think Forde has it right. I worked with Richard Johnson at ESPN closely for a spell, and he is a good, trained reporter.
 
jostar1 said:
Sources: Big 12 Determined to Add Another School Quickly

PAT FORDE AND RICHARD JOHNSON 1 HOUR AGO

Energized by the addition of Colorado on Thursday to reach 13 members for the 2024–25 academic year, the Big 12 plans to press the pace to get to 14, sources tell Sports Illustrated.

Specifically, the Big 12 wants answers quickly from one to three Pac-12 schools: Arizona, Arizona State and Utah. Adding one is the most likely scenario, sources familiar with the Big 12’s game plan say, and that is the short-term goal.

“We’re looking at 14,” a source says. Arizona appears to be the most likely of the three to go.

There are competing timelines for the Pac-12 members and their Big 12 suitors, which adds a layer of tension. Arizona, Arizona State and Utah are waiting for a full media-rights package to be presented to them by commissioner George Kliavkoff, which has been a long time coming. Those schools will also be interested in hearing what Kliavkoff’s plan is for replacing Colorado. Meanwhile, the Big 12 is ready to put its expansion targets “on the clock” toward a fast decision, sources say, in order to expedite realignment for next year.

If none of the Pac-12 schools follow Colorado to the Big 12, Brett Yormark is likely to pivot his focus to Connecticut. The league membership is less united behind the idea of adding a primarily basketball school like UConn than it was Colorado, though, which could slow the pace there. “There is some work to do on studying UConn,” a Big 12 source says.

There are additional expansion options beyond UConn, some of which don’t play football. The primary candidate outside the football realm is West Coast Conference basketball power Gonzaga, which would give the Big 12 a school in all four time zones and a coast-to-coast presence. St. John’s, in Yormark’s hometown of New York, also has been floated as a possibility. Yormark has been clear that basketball is key, adding that basketball is “a catalyst for a lot of things moving forward,” including “international expansion.” Teams that advance in the NCAA basketball tournament also earn more money for their conferences—each round means more cash in both the school’s and conference’s pockets. The Zags have made eight straight Sweet 16s and 24 straight NCAA tournament appearances.

One industry source noted that, because of their consistent success, Gonzaga has developed a large fan base outside of Spokane and become “truly a national team that can drive significant reach for both linear and streaming broadcasts.”

That would be helpful in Yormark’s push to broaden the reach of the league beyond Texas and the flyover states.

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Begs the question.....was Yormark able to sell the B12 Presidents/ADs on his vision of an Eastern presence? If not, we're dead, simple as that. I don't think the P12 talk has anything to do with us....the timing is coincidental due to their media deal situation.
 
Chuck said:
It clearly looks like the Big 12 is looking for any other option over UConn. No other way to look at it. It could happen, but they'd rather it not. UConn would have been announced already if we were the partner with Colorado.

The scenarios seem clear:
  • No other PAC teams jump and we're probably in.
  • 1 PAC team jumps and we're out.
  • 2 PAC teams jump and we're probably in.
  • More than 2 PAC teams (that the Big 12 would want) jump and we're out.
If I had to guess, it's either nobody else jumps, or everyone tries to jump. Seems difficult to imagine Arizona moving and everyone else staying put, but just as surprising would be Arizona and Arizona State moving and the rest of the PAC not trying to move. I didn't believe any of the leaks until Colorado left. Now I think the Big 12 is leaking stuff to try to get Arizona and others to move.
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JohnFSilver said:
I think Forde has it right. I worked with Richard Johnson at ESPN closely for a spell, and he is a good, trained reporter.
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The Forde reporting doesn't match the snippets we are getting on the UConn side. The little we hear on UConns end makes it seem we like the position we're in; that only makes sense matched up with Forde if:

We are being duped again

We have reason to believe no one else wants to leave the PAC
 
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Seamus84 said:
Begs the question.....was Yormark able to sell the B12 Presidents/ADs on his vision of an Eastern presence? If not, we're dead, simple as that. I don't think the P12 talk has anything to do with us....the timing is coincidental due to their media deal situation.
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It is looking more and more likely that we are being used as bait to get the PAC-12 schools to move or make a decision. This sucks the B12 presidents and ADs don't see our value. Our bad football last 10 years really did us in unfortunately.
 
jostar1 said:
It's not over until the fat lady sings.
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Maybe so, but these B12 presidents and ADs are getting pretty arrogant just because Colorado left. Now they think they can get Oregon, Washington, and anyone else in the PAC-12. At this point, I just have to hope PAC-9 can somehow hold it together even though it might be a miracle at this point. If the Arizona schools left, we can kiss goodbye to the PAC-12 just like the old Big East.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
It is looking more and more likely that we are being used as bait to get the PAC-12 schools to move or make a decision. This sucks the B12 presidents and ADs don't see our value. Our bad football last 10 years really did us in unfortunately.
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Our solid to good football in 2011 and 2012. Starting to think it's something else...
 
UConn does have an event tonight at the Rent to meet the coach’s maybe some inside info will be released there?
 
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We (UConn) were definitely in the race. UConn's name has been out there, and there is no such thing as bad publicity.
 
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upstater said:
Maybe but the speculation about St Johns and Gonzaga makes it very very hard to take seriously.
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The idea of bball only adds, including SJU and Nova, was floated on Twitter months ago, I believe as early as February. Most recently, Greg Flugar discussed it (SJU, UCONN & Zags) during one of his live shows. He also indicated that you can would not necessarily be a basketball only add. No idea if there’s any truth to it, but it’s definitely been out there for a while.
 
Here's what I don't get. The Pac12 had the better brands. Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Cal-Berkeley. Over TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St.

Yet they got peanuts from the TV networks.

Do the B12 presidents not realize that the reason they are even in this position is because the networks decided they don't want to pay for the Pac12?

This is why I'm highly pessimistic. Who is going to bankroll the addition of 4 Pac12 schools when they didn't want to pay for 10 schools that included to 3 biggest prizes? (Oregon, Arizona, Washington).

It's got to mean that they are really truly staying at 14.
 
upstater said:
Here's what I don't get. The Pac12 had the better brands. Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Cal-Berkeley. Over TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St.

Yet they got peanuts from the TV networks.

Do the B12 presidents not realize that the reason they are even in this position is because the networks decided they don't want to pay for the Pac12?

This is why I'm highly pessimistic. Who is going to bankroll the addition of 4 Pac12 schools when they didn't want to pay for 10 schools that included to 3 biggest prizes? (Oregon, Arizona, Washington).

It's got to mean that they are really truly staying at 14.
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west coast. no one's up when those teams play.
 
upstater said:
Here's what I don't get. The Pac12 had the better brands. Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Cal-Berkeley. Over TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St.

Yet they got peanuts from the TV networks.

Do the B12 presidents not realize that the reason they are even in this position is because the networks decided they don't want to pay for the Pac12?

This is why I'm highly pessimistic. Who is going to bankroll the addition of 4 Pac12 schools when they didn't want to pay for 10 schools that included to 3 biggest prizes? (Oregon, Arizona, Washington).

It's got to mean that they are really truly staying at 14.
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In an effort to bring us to a P4 world, I think the media power brokers decided they were going to work with whichever of the B12 or P12 demonstrated vision and cooperation. Whichever was more serious and easier to work with would be the winner of the two. Thing is, the P12 admins never realized they were in a competition while the B12 seized the opportunity.
 
upstater said:
Here's what I don't get. The Pac12 had the better brands. Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Cal-Berkeley. Over TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St.

Yet they got peanuts from the TV networks.

Do the B12 presidents not realize that the reason they are even in this position is because the networks decided they don't want to pay for the Pac12?

This is why I'm highly pessimistic. Who is going to bankroll the addition of 4 Pac12 schools when they didn't want to pay for 10 schools that included to 3 biggest prizes? (Oregon, Arizona, Washington).

It's got to mean that they are really truly staying at 14.
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I saw this posted on CSNBBS:


With OU and Texas leaving early. It allows for 2 schools to be added in 2024 without impacting the payouts of the Remaining 8.

Remember the Pro-Rata doesn't go into effect till 2025.

So if the 4C are added for 2024, then there becomes an issue.

Maybe the Big 12 should stagger the 4C additions:
2024: Add Colorado + 1 (to replace Texas and OU Shares)
2025: Add 2 with Pro-Rata Clause

This explains why Heather Dinich reported 14 as the magic number for now.
 
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