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[metsfan2323]

Believe it or not, the TV ratings don't say that the ACC deserves more than the Big 12 and they certainly don't say they should get paid more than the Big 10 or SEC.

Look at the conference football championship ratings last year:

Big 12 Championship: Kansas St. vs TCU 9.41 million viewers

ACC Championship: Clemson vs North Carolina. 3.47 million viewers

Look at week 12 TV ratings. (I'm picking games that don't involve Texas and Oklahoma.). TCU/Baylor at noon on FOX had 4.35 million viewers and Miami/Clemson had 1.14 million viewers at 3:30 PM on ESPN.

How about week 10? Texas Tech/TCU had 2.51 million viewers and FSU/Miami had 1.50 million viewers.

Week 6, Clemson/BC on ABC prime time Saturday night 1.93 million viewers vs. Texas Tech/Oklahoma St. 1.63 million at 3:30 on FS1(!) 1.63 million.

And, with he arrival of the ACC Network, the ACC has less inventory to air on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. The Big 12 has no conference network, so almost all of their inventory is available to the ESPN/FOX networks.

TCU was undefeated and ranked near the top which generates attention. Good call though, that does show how strong the B12 is even after losing their top two programs.

I still believe if both leagues went to market at the same time the ACC would get more money, but that is just a guess. I might be wrong.

 

[Ha Who]

all things being equal the ACC is certainly more valuable than the new B12, and yet the new B12 will be making more, which is why the ACC schools are livid.

Imagine UCF with more tv revenue than FSU and Clemson. That's the grievance. People think the top ACC schools are mad that they don't make as much as Bama and can't compete, but that's not really the main reason, what really makes their heads explode is UCF eventually making more,

Another newbie? New B12

 

[Rufus]

The ACC has another problem- ABC/ESPN now has the entire SEC inventory, including Texas and Oklahoma. The SEC will dominate the ABC and ESPN lineups. ACC games will mostly be relegated to ESPN 2 and ESPN U. This will further erode viewership.

 

[Drew]

 

[Drew]

 

[Stinger92860]

Not directed at the OP

…how strong the B12 is even after losing their top two programs…

We need to define top programs. If we hold Texas and Oklahoma to same last 10-12 year standard many folks apply to UConn football, then they are both not top 2 in their league. Viewership, possibly, I have not researched.

For football, since 2010 Texas has had 5 losing seasons and the best they have finished is 2nd in the B12 in just two years. Oklahoma has fared much better in the B12, only one losing season. No National Championships for either team in this time frame. UConn surprisingly (lol) no national championships.

Mens basketball, since 2010 UConn has 3 national championships, Tx and Ok have ZERO.

Women’s basketball, since 2010 UConn has 5 national championships, Tx Ok have ZERO.

So how do you define a top program? I’d like to run this as a blind taste test, anyone have ideas who would get the most votes? I do! I may put this out on twitter.

 

[jostar1]

 

[giddyup]

baseball is also amazingly strong for a NE school. The B12 would s huge lift.

 

[noeynox]

Quick everyone, lets see if we can parlay Big12 interest into an ACC offer.

 

[goldendomer]

Quick everyone, lets see if we can parlay Big12 interest into an ACC offer

That is interesting.

 

[BigTenFan]

I wish the B1G10 would dump Nebraska - never saw them as a good fit.... obviously that's not going to happen

 

[giddyup]

B1G, B12 and ACC are all on the hunt and UConn is all in their center aim. BiG locks up NE and blocks B12 entry into NE, ACC back fills and builds essentially the old BE as a north division, B12 scoops up a dominant BB school and accesses a key market for growth. Frankly, the B1G wins big time with UConn because they block both the ACC and B12.

 

[NEforceUConn]

Hey, reality check - I love UConn and if the B1G doesn't want to lock up now, then go wherever the $ is!
Can't quite believe the B1G is so sleepy, so F them.

 

[giddyup]

Hey, reality check - I love UConn and if the B1G doesn't want to lock up now, then go wherever the $ is!
Can't quite believe the B1G is so sleepy, so F them.

Problem is B1G thinks they don’t need anybody which is probably largely true, but if the goal is to dominate then you are always looking to put out brush fires before they start. So, you preemptively move on UConn and take away an ACC lifeline and neutralize their presence in the NE/Tri-State, and take away a market entry point to the B12. In the West, trying to gut the PAC taking Washington and Oregon may not be as smart as leaving the conference hobbled but functional because if they did that then Arizona and Colorado bolt to the B12 which strengthens the B12 as a super conference. However you cut it, the SEC and B1G will be Super+ P5s, and the Big12 is positioned as a Super P5, and ACC and PAC as dangerously close to G5 status.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

I wish the B1G10 would dump Nebraska - never saw them as a good fit.... obviously that's not going to happen

If they were to dump someone I would say it is Rutgers.

 

[dayooper]

Problem is B1G thinks they don’t need anybody which is probably largely true, but if the goal is to dominate then you are always looking to put out brush fires before they start. So, you preemptively move on UConn and take away an ACC lifeline and neutralize their presence in the NE/Tri-State, and take away a market entry point to the B12. In the West, trying to gut the PAC taking Washington and Oregon may not be as smart as leaving the conference hobbled but functional because if they did that then Arizona and Colorado bolt to the B12 which strengthens the B12 as a super conference. However you cut it, the SEC and B1G will be Super+ P5s, and the Big12 is positioned as a Super P5, and ACC and PAC as dangerously close to G5 status.

Not sure this is the goal. You don’t take schools to keep them away from others (unless they make the conference more money). The ACC took Big East schools to harm the conference and see what has become of that decision. As far as the Big12 goes, the Big10 and SEC don’t care who they take. It will always be 3rd in the pecking order (at least for the foreseeable future).

 

[giddyup]

Not sure this is the goal. You don’t take schools to keep them away from others (unless they make the conference more money). The ACC took Big East schools to harm the conference and see what has become of that decision. As far as the Big12 goes, the Big10 and SEC don’t care who they take. It will always be 3rd in the pecking order (at least for the foreseeable future).

True. Ostensibly that’s why the B1G won’t pony up for UW and OR. I think the calculus is certainly they can’t get to a $100M justification, and even if they could justify it as a marginal case, they probably benefit by keeping the PAC alive and weakened.

That said, CFB is a zero sum game at this point. So, each guy is trying to capture $$ from the other, and the more you can weaken competitors to your $$, the better.

 

[dayooper]

True. Ostensibly that’s why the B1G won’t pony up for UW and OR. I think the calculus is certainly they can’t get to a $100M justification, and even if they could justify it as a marginal case, they probably benefit by keeping the PAC alive and weakened.

That said, CFB is a zero sum game at this point. So, each guy is trying to capture $$ from the other, and the more you can weaken competitors to your $$, the better.

I think Washington and Oregon are a bit different. If part of the deal with USC and UCLA was to bring in more west coast teams, then that has to be accounted for. They can also sell another time slot or 2 (Saturday late night and Friday night). I don’t think they would get $100 million each for them, but they sure got a lot more with the LA schools and that just might be the cost of adding them.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[Ha Who]

I feel so bad for the cartel.

 

[jostar1]

From McMurphy's story:

The only way the ACC can receive significantly more money from ESPN is by expanding. Sources told Action Network that if the ACC adds additional teams — whether from the Power 5 or Group of Five — ESPN contractually must pay the ACC a pro-rata amount for each new member.

The ACC, if it desired, could add four more schools (almost certainly Group of Five programs), pay them a reduced amount and split the remaining revenue between the existing members. However, that likely would only increase the current membership’s revenue by a few million dollars a year until the new members would earn full shares.

That scenario is unlikely, a source said.

“We already have too many mouths to feed,” the source said. “That’s not the answer.”

 

[noeynox]

Damn coaches could be primadonnas. They weren't consulted on streaming, or night games? They get you a lot of damn money. Shut up and coach.

 

[Storrs South]

 

[CoastAtlantic]