Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Rufus]

https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article263213118.html

Not a tweet, but interesting tidbit in this article:

247Sports’ Josh Pate reported on a Monday podcast that “there are conversations happening with folks at Clemson and folks in the Big Ten.”

“Everything that seemed impossible just a few years ago is now a possibility,” an industry source told McMurphy.

Clemson will not comment on the realignment reports, an athletics department spokesman told The State on Wednesday.

 

[DGB]

Sounds reasonable and possible- except I just don’t know if Clemson/FSU/Miami will let ESPN slide out Virginia and UNC without getting their own deal to exit too.

Clemson, FSU, and Miami are interesting, but they are the second team in SC and the second and third teams in Florida respectively.

Would FOX/B1G be interested in the market share these schools bring, knowing the bigger piece of the pie in those states is controlled by ESPN/SEC via UF and USCe? Would FOX/B1G really throw the hundreds of millions we are talking about at secondary market share adds?

If not, those schools have no leverage and should be happy to be in a well-paid ACC. If FOX/BIG would do this, then all of Va Tech, Duke, NC St, and G-tech are also on the table. I lean towards the former.

 

[uchusky32]

Clemson, FSU, and Miami are interesting, but they are the second team in SC and the second and third teams in Florida respectively.

Would FOX/B1G be interested in the market share these schools bring, knowing the bigger piece of the pie in those states is controlled by ESPN/SEC via UF and USCe? Would FOX/B1G really throw the hundreds of millions we are talking about at secondary market share adds?

If not, those schools have no leverage and should be happy to be in a well-paid ACC. If FOX/BIG would do this, then all of Va Tech, Duke, NC St, and G-tech are also on the table. I lean towards the former.

Market share doesn't matter anymore. People will watch Clemson outside of small SC market. More than who is watch SC.

 

[noeynox]

All we need now are obligatory statements "we are proud and committed members of the ACC", and we will know this is real.

 

[JohnFSilver]

All we need now are obligatory statements "we are proud and committed members of the ACC", and we will know this is real.

The, I am married until I file for divorce tweet.

 

[UConn Dan]

Is this Key?


"(Mora) has a goal of joining the ACC in a few years. "

 

[ZooCougar]

He is now included in the Key Tweet section. Upgrade.

He shouldn’t be in this thread. I’m the daddy of this thread.

 

[ZooCougar]

Is this Key?


"(Mora) has a goal of joining the ACC in a few years. "

Key.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Market share doesn't matter anymore. People will watch Clemson outside of small SC market. More than who is watch SC.

LOL. Remember when Rutgers got in and all anyone everywhere touted was cable box size? Same with Syracuse and Boston College.

How quickly that fell on its face. ESPN, nor other rights holders, saw streaming coming (how they missed that disruption is fascinating and why I am not a sportswriter anymore).

Now, it isn't about size of potential fan base, it is about intensity of fan support mixed with size. You need a big fanbase and brand while also having rabid intensity.

If football gets off the mat again, UConn could have something because the men, when good, have an excellent fanbase and the women's program is a national crown jewel (Paige Bueckers is probably most known women's NCAA athlete currently in school).

It doesn't overcome the football problem, but those are attractive ancillary pieces. UConn has everything you would want except a functioning football program. Mora's got a big job. Program overachieved first 10 years. Have underachieved last 10.

 

[jostar1]

All we need now are obligatory statements "we are proud and committed members of the ACC", and we will know this is real.

UConn issued the following statement about reports regarding a move [to the Big East]:

"It is our responsibility to always be mindful of what is in the best interest of our student athletes, our fans and our future. With that being said, we have been and remain proud members of the American Athletic Conference."

 

[JMick]

Is this Key?


"(Mora) has a goal of joining the ACC in a few years. "

What I find interesting about this is the money thats involved.

The money doesn't matter if you join the B1G or SEC. But if we end up joining the ACC, I have to imagine it's a relatively strong ACC that still gets a decent payout. Because if it's a walking corpse and we have to pay tens of millions of dollars to get out of the Big East, I'm not sure how much financial sense it makes. I guess that's a good thing. Maybe the ACC plans to go to 18 or something preemptively before 2036 and we get in that way instead of through defections.

 

[JMick]

LOL. Remember when Rutgers got in and all anyone everywhere touted was cable box size? Same with Syracuse and Boston College.

How quickly that fell on its face. ESPN, nor other rights holders, saw streaming coming (how they missed that disruption is fascinating and why I am not a sportswriter anymore).

Now, it isn't about size of potential fan base, it is about intensity of fan support mixed with size. You need a big fanbase and brand while also having rabid intensity.

If football gets off the mat again, UConn could have something because the men, when good, have an excellent fanbase and the women's program is a national crown jewel (Paige Bueckers is probably most known women's NCAA athlete currently in school).

It doesn't overcome the football problem, but those are attractive ancillary pieces. UConn has everything you would want except a functioning football program. Mora's got a big job. Program overachieved first 10 years. Have underachieved last 10.

Yeah it's not about casual fans. It's about fans who will buy streaming packages to watch college football

 

[ZooCougar]

All Mora has to do is take us from Laughingstock to normal bad inside of two seasons and he will be on glide path.

 

[DGB]

Market share doesn't matter anymore. People will watch Clemson outside of small SC market. More than who is watch SC.

Ehh...people outside of SC will watch Clemson when Clemson is good. When they're not they won't. Nebraska is arguably a bigger historical brand than Clemson and nobody outside of the corn fields is watching them right now.

This is why FOX/B1G cared about USC and UCLA. They bring ad buys in the second biggest market in the country.

This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.

If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.

 

[dayooper]

If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.

This is how I feel. I really don’t regret Nebraska, but they are just kinda there. I suppose an Iowa fan might feel different, but games against Nebraska are like games against Wisconsin or Iowa for me. Rutgers and Maryland did exactly what they were supposed to do, give the Big10 a presence. Do they do it alone? Hell no! But with the strong alumni base Michigan, OSU, PSU and Indiana have in the NYC and DC areas, they work. Put ND with those and you have a great market presence that no other football conference has. The Big East still is a big presence, but not like a football presence is.

This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.


Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.

I think you are on to something with GT. I believe that the Big10 would add them before Duke and maybe even UVA. The Atlanta market with the Big10 alumni base might work. ND and, to a lesser extent, UNC are the big gets now.

 

[Rufus]

Georgia Tech makes sense for the B1G for the following reasons:

1. Atlanta market (plus the entire state is exploding with growth)
2. AAU status
3. A conference presence in the southeast for recruiting purposes (plus the B1G is calling itself a national conference, so you need a presence in the southeast)
4. A school located in the heart of SEC country. Plant that B1G flag in the heart of the south!

The million dollar question or should I say $100 million question - Would Georgia Tech hold its own without decreasing conference payouts to everyone else?

 

[bobbyinaz]

Ehh...people outside of SC will watch Clemson when Clemson is good. When they're not they won't. Nebraska is arguably a bigger historical brand than Clemson and nobody outside of the corn fields is watching them right now.

This is why FOX/B1G cared about USC and UCLA. They bring ad buys in the second biggest market in the country.

This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.

If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.

I've said this a bunch of times thru the years on the BY.

Nebraska was much more of a lottery winner than Rutgers because there was always going to be a desire to add Rutgers at some point because of their location. In fact the ACC should have added Rutgers (and UConn) when they added Syracuse. They may not be sucking on a significantly under valued TV contract now if Swofford had some foresight

The B1G added Nebraska just before conferences realized that you needed to bring more to the table than just a name. Delaney didn't make many mistakes but, I'd bet in private, he'd admit adding the Huskers was a wasted move for the B1G

 

[CL82]

Ehh...people outside of SC will watch Clemson when Clemson is good. When they're not they won't. Nebraska is arguably a bigger historical brand than Clemson and nobody outside of the corn fields is watching them right now.

This is why FOX/B1G cared about USC and UCLA. They bring ad buys in the second biggest market in the country.

This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.

If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.

If market and share thereof mattered, Rutgers would not be in the Big Ten.

 

[Hogoff]

Is this Key?


"(Mora) has a goal of joining the ACC in a few years. "

Yes. But, it’s not a tweet.

 

[Rufus]

I don’t think Nebraska was a wasted addition. Too much tradition for their current downward shift to last forever. They are an anchor school when they return to their glory days. Bo Pelini had them winning 9 games a season and was fired because that wasn’t good enough. The Cornhuskers will find their way eventually.

Penn State
Nebraska
Maryland
Rutgers
USC
UCLA

Each of the six had a reason for being added that was centered on benefitting the conference in the next 100 years or more.

 

[uchusky32]

Ehh...people outside of SC will watch Clemson when Clemson is good. When they're not they won't. Nebraska is arguably a bigger historical brand than Clemson and nobody outside of the corn fields is watching them right now.

This is why FOX/B1G cared about USC and UCLA. They bring ad buys in the second biggest market in the country.

This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.

If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.

Ok, who choose to watches SC? In anything? This is becoming NFL. Brand will matter and Fox or ESPN will feed the Clemson Brand. Like they do Duke, KY and NC in basketball. Brand will become Market share. Like the Steelers and Cowboys. Don't have to get NFL package for those teams. They play national games.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Some interesting points...

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article263209858.html

 

[huskypantz]

Ok, who choose to watches SC? In anything? This is becoming NFL. Brand will matter and Fox or ESPN will feed the Clemson Brand. Like they do Duke, KY and NC in basketball. Brand will become Market share. Like the Steelers and Cowboys. Don't have to get NFL package for those teams. They play national games.

But Nebraska was once Clemson. These things are generally cyclical. Miami was iconic when I was a kid. They've been average at best but living off the rep for several decades now.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article263213118.html

Not a tweet, but interesting tidbit in this article:

247Sports’ Josh Pate reported on a Monday podcast that “there are conversations happening with folks at Clemson and folks in the Big Ten.”

“Everything that seemed impossible just a few years ago is now a possibility,” an industry source told McMurphy.

Clemson will not comment on the realignment reports, an athletics department spokesman

But Nebraska was once Clemson. These things are generally cyclical. Miami was iconic when I was a kid. They've been average at best but living off the rep for several decades now.

Nebraska was for quite a bit of time a lot more than what Clemson has been recently.

It never ceases to amaze me how short some memories are. Where was Alabama for the little more a decade and a half leading up to their hiring Saban? There are a handful of places where one quality hire is all it takes to become a near dynasty, regardless of how mediocre the recent track record has been, Nebraska is one of those places.

COVID restrictions aside, they've sold out every home game going back to when JFK was still alive. They made the mistake of bringing in an all style, no substance AD (Pederson, about 17 years ago) who thought it would be a good idea to overhaul the way they did everything. Once they moved on from him, they brought in a head coach who was building the program pretty well but ended up being almost as nutty as Diaco.

It may take another hire or two before they get the right head coach (hell, not quite 25 years ago Bama had to fire their new head coach before he ever coached a game for them because cops found him drunk in a motel room with a stripper) but their tradition and fan base would be sufficient to keep almost any successful coach. Few schools can do that.

 

[Ha Who]

Some interesting points...

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article263209858.html

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