Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Drew]

 

[jostar1]

FSU and Clemson twisting in the

Schadenfreude.

Also, FSU voted against UConn:
Florida State would be one of the schools that would probably object to the conference closing out its expansion efforts in this manner.
"Not particularly, no," Florida State Board of Trustees Chairman Andy Haggard said of whether he would be in favor of the conference adding Connecticut and Rutgers. "But I would have to hear more about it. I'd have to see where Connecticut is, and Connecticut is playing good football right now, and where Rutgers is football wise, basketball wise, TV exposure, the elements of the country that they are in and all that.
"It certainly wouldn't be my pick but it wouldn't be my decision; it would be Swofford's and the ACC presidents. But I've heard a lot of backlash against Connecticut and Rutgers coming in because it would make us more of a basketball (conference) not a football (conference). That's what I get from fans, alumni, boosters and so forth."
As Haggard has noted before, schools with more traditionally strong football programs would be a better fit for the ACC as far as FSU is concerned.

TheOsceola - Conference expansion dominoes may be falling again

After a couple months of relative quiet, the conference expansion dominoes may be ready to start falling again. Not surprisingly, changes in the Big 1

floridastate.rivals.com

 

[Drew]

A key Tweeter replying to a non-key Tweeter

 

[Storrs South]

 

[Waquoit]

Womp, womp

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Kolumbo]

Smart woman. She's looking for the U Game!

Gloria Nevarez
Mountain West Conference Commissioner
Personal details
Preceded by	Craig Thompson
Nationality	American
Alma mater	University of Massachusetts Amherst (B.S.) University of California, Berkeley School of Law (J.D.)
Occupation	Mountain West Conference Commissioner

 

[shizzle787]

UConn football only or Army football only if SDSU leaves?

 

[gioff2323]

Again, fsu can stomp and storm all day. Within the conference they can try and recreate what bevo and OU had in B12 - that worked out well. Or they can realize no one wants them at the moment, so there’s nowhere to go. The P2 has schools to ingest for now. the B12 - no way that would leave them feeling as if they’d won. The PAC? Sorry, had to say it.

As an aside, has a conf ever succeeded by adding in ND 1/2 way?

 

[Exit 4]

UConn football only or Army football only if SDSU leaves?

A silly parlor question, if the B12 takes us for all sports but football, and the CFB mandates we join a conf, which would we prefer - the MW or MAC? I like the MW schools myself, but I am not a football coach managing travel and high altitude games or having to recruit to such a set up.

 

[shizzle787]

A silly parlor question, if the B12 takes us for all sports but football, and the CFB mandates we join a conf, which would we prefer - the MW or MAC? I like the MW schools myself, but I am not a football coach managing travel and high altitude games or having to recruit to such a set up.

MW easily. Likely the #6 league going forward and most of the schools are well-known.

 

[Storrs South]

 

[CL82]

It’s tough to know what to root for from the University of Connecticut perspective. I guess we should be rooting for the Pac 12 to remain intact which in turn will cause the big 12 to look east. That, in turn, might cause the ACC to take us off the table to protect the East Coast. Or should we look for the pack 12 to fold because since we are on the outside looking in change, and chaos, may create opportunities for us down the road.

 

[Ha Who]

It’s tough to know what to root for from the University of Connecticut perspective. I guess we should be rooting for the Pac 12 to remain intact which in turn will cause the big 12 to look east. That, in turn, might cause the ACC to take us off the table to protect the East Coast. Or should we look for the pack 12 to fold because since we are on the outside looking in change, and chaos, may create opportunities for us down the road.

I say we take Rule 1 to the Supreme Court and have it ruled unconstitutional. Of course, as their “brands” fade, FSU and Clemson may challenge us for rule 1 supremacy

 

[Exit 4]

It’s tough to know what to root for from the University of Connecticut perspective. I guess we should be rooting for the Pac 12 to remain intact which in turn will cause the big 12 to look east. That, in turn, might cause the ACC to take us off the table to protect the East Coast. Or should we look for the pack 12 to fold because since we are on the outside looking in change, and chaos, may create opportunities for us down the road.

I'm impatient. I'll take PAC disintegration today with AZ and Colorado the the B12, the remaining holding together for a couple years while they get their ducks in a row to become a discounted left arm of the ACC. ACC & ESPN now have a coast to coast product to back up the SEC product.

The scenario I find the least attractive is one where SMU gets the nod to join the stop gap PAC. Its a stop gap because its hard to see the PAC holding in that scenario after say 2030 or so. Watching SMU and SDST when the geography lottery again will be so annoying.

Big media wants to turn the P5 to P4. They are playing their cards by letting the PAC media slip into the abyss.

As for all the noise with FSU and Clemson....I think its all noise, they have no hand until the B1G or SEC are truly ready and that doesnt seem to be the case today.

And UConn, well- I think we stand out better once the P5 melts to a P4. The P4 world will still have some opportunity to help either team Fox or team ESPN bolster their respective conference media alignments.

 

[CL82]

And UConn, well- I think we stand out better once the P5 melts to a P4. The P4 world will still have some opportunity.

Yeah, it bugs me, but I do think that our best case scenario is being in a “best of the rest” conference that is materially higher than the P5, but significantly lower than the P2.

 

[Exit 4]

Yeah, it bugs me, but I do think that our best case scenario is being in a “best of the rest” conference that is materially higher than the P5, but significantly lower than the P2.

Seems to me the future is a P2A with the B1G and SEC and a P2B with the ACC-PAC and B12. There will be a gap between the P2A and P2B...the gap we see today and there is little reason to think it will narrow much in the decades to come.

 

[Storrs South]

 

[Ldandy]

Yeah, it bugs me, but I do think that our best case scenario is being in a “best of the rest” conference that is materially higher than the P5, but significantly lower than the P2.

None of this is fair so I get your annoyance as a fan. That said a best of the rest ACC Conference with some G5 Additions would be really good for football and at worst a push for basketball. If this conference could negotiate a 25+Mil per year deal from ESPN, Uconn would have more than tripled its current payouts.

Potential Future ACC- BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, VPI, Ville, Duke, NCSU, WFU, GT, Miami, USF.

This conference lineup assumes Only UNC/UVA and Clemson/FSU leave while The Big 12 stays put. Realistically The B1G and SEC could press for more teams and/or The Big 12 could look to build out its Eastern Flank if schools like Pitt, Ville, NSCU, and Miami are sitting out there.

I could see a scenario where Duke, Cuse, BC and WFU are all left without a home. These schools could try to join The Big East and go independent with a scheduling agreement. However, they would need to negotiate their own football deals. Alternatively they could form a regional conference pulling in a bunch of G5 Schools that might not command great money but could allow the schools to remain on a linear network with a decent deal. I could see something like this:

BC, Umass, Uconn, Cuse, Temple, Navy, ODU, Duke, WFU, ECU, Memphis, USF. Primarily East Coast with enough clout to garner bowl ties and NCAA Bids. Some of these teams could be swapped out for others, but this feels like something that could be real and potentially better if a few additional ACC Schools get left behind.

 

[CL82]

If this conference could negotiate a 25+Mil per year deal from ESPN, Uconn would have more than tripled its current payouts

Assuming that hypothetical payout, figure is correct, we would be at no more than a third of what the P2 were getting. That would put us at a significant disadvantage for paying and retaining top coaching talent and keeping up in a facilities shooting war. Not the best place in the world to be, but certainly better than where we are now.

That number is “significantly less than the P2, but materially more than the best G5.” I don’t see a path for us to do better than that.

 

[Sole]

I just don’t see anything happening with the acc for a while..or the big 12 …uconn needs a good big east media deal and a good football independent deal first… then when we don’t need them.. thats when they will come calling… unless the conferences don’t like that the big east is financially stable and too successful.. then they will try to break it up

 

[buddy]

I only hope that AD Dave is being proactive during this apparent time of CR. I would hate to see UConn lose an opportunity because the powers that be decided to sit by the phone and wait for a call, rather than lobby like Louisville did when the ACC chose them.

 

[baggerbob]

I only hope that AD Dave is being proactive during this apparent time of CR. I would hate to see UConn lose an opportunity because the powers that be decided to sit by the phone and wait for a call, rather than lobby like Louisville did when the ACC chose them.

The ACC is dead man walking, ESPN. destroyed the conference, just as they did the Big East.
A bad Commissioner, Swofford sold out the conference to protect his sons job.
The Big 12 will be the 3rd conference to survive behind the Big 10 and SEC.
When the GOR is close to the end.
Probably 6 of the ACC schools will join the SEC and Big 10.
Notre Dame will stay independent and probably join the Big East for sports.

 

[Ldandy]

Assuming that hypothetical payout, figure is correct, we would be at no more than a third of what the P2 were getting. That would put us at a significant disadvantage for paying and retaining top coaching talent and keeping up in a facilities shooting war. Not the best place in the world to be, but certainly better than where we are now.

That number is “significantly less than the P2, but materially more than the best G5.” I don’t see a path for us to do better than that.

I'm trying to spin the best outcome that doesn't include giving up football. Independence for anyone not named ND is unrealistic long term. At least if something like this were to happen, you would have a consistent schedule with relevant opponents on it for fans in Connecticut. If the money is considerably better than now it would have to be a win.

 

[CL82]

I'm trying to spin the best outcome that doesn't include giving up football. Independence for anyone not named ND is unrealistic long term. At least if something like this were to happen, you would have a consistent schedule with relevant opponents on it for fans in Connecticut. If the money is considerably better than now it would have to be a win.

Agreed. It’s just a win that likely leaves us permanently mired in the under class of big boy college athletics. That isn’t the worst outcome and I don’t really see a path to a better one.

 

[Fishy]

I'm trying to spin the best outcome that doesn't include giving up football. Independence for anyone not named ND is unrealistic long term. At least if something like this were to happen, you would have a consistent schedule with relevant opponents on it for fans in Connecticut. If the money is considerably better than now it would have to be a win.

Odds on UConn ever being invited to a P2 conference - 0%. If the schmuck who originally laid out the DMA markets had looped Hartford instead of New Brunswick into the NYC market, it would be different, but he didn’t so that is the end of that game.

Odds on the ACC/Big 12 deciding that they need to add teams and UConn get a call - >2%. When the Big 12 fell apart, the ACC could have approached better football schools than us, but didn’t…kinda makes me think that they are at their number right now.

Odds on the PAC12 falling apart, mayhem ensuing and somehow the ACC gets bigger without UConn - >10%

Odds on the Pac12 falling apart, mayhem ensuing and somehow the Big 12 gets bigger without UConn - 50%

Odds on a ton of weird crap happening and we end up on in the exact same spot - almost certain.

Generally, I think we are where we are for the next ten years.

 

[Storrs South]

Odds on UConn ever being invited to a P2 conference - 0%. If the schmuck who originally laid out the DMA markets had looped Hartford instead of New Brunswick into the NYC market, it would be different, but he didn’t so that is the end of that game.

Odds on the ACC/Big 12 deciding that they need to add teams and UConn get a call - >2%. When the Big 12 fell apart, the ACC could have approached better football schools than us, but didn’t…kinda makes me think that they are at their number right now.

Odds on the PAC12 falling apart, mayhem ensuing and somehow the ACC gets bigger without UConn - >10%

Odds on the Pac12 falling apart, mayhem ensuing and somehow the Big 12 gets bigger without UConn - 50%

Odds on a ton of weird crap happening and we end up on in the exact same spot - almost certain.

Generally, I think we are where we are for the next ten years.

I'd tend to agree. The difference is with UConn having great success on multiple fronts in the Big East and Independent plus issues that have plagued ACC the last 3 years it's not as big a deal minus the financial aspect which the school seems to be dealing with as best it can.

When UConn was in the later Big East late 2010s and then AAC it was a very different feeling and one of desperation. I don't think the AD nor fanbase feels that way today.

 

[Drew]

I'd tend to agree. The difference is with UConn having great success on multiple fronts in the Big East and Independent plus issues that have plagued ACC the last 3 years it's not as big a deal minus the financial aspect which the school seems to be dealing with as best it can.

When UConn was in the later Big East late 2010s and then AAC it was a very different feeling and one of desperation. I don't think the AD nor fanbase feels that way today.

I don’t disagree but I almost attribute it more to “acceptance” rather than a lack of want to. It’s almost like “well we tried and now we’re just fine with this over the alternative”.

Fans do not care about the revenue gap. They want to turn on their team on TV and watch them play against other good teams (in any sport). The next BE TV deal is going to be fascinating- if it winds up being 80%+ streaming on Apple or something I think a lot of the shine/acceptance that we are seeing today will go away and people will start to embrace the urgency around this again.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

I don’t disagree but I almost attribute it more to “acceptance” rather than a lack of want to. It’s almost like “well we tried and now we’re just fine with this over the alternative”.

Fans do not care about the revenue gap. They want to turn on their team on TV and watch them play against other good teams (in any sport). The next BE TV deal is going to be fascinating- if it winds up being 80%+ streaming on Apple or something I think a lot of the shine/acceptance that we are seeing today will go away and people will start to embrace the urgency around this again.

I don't think the BE will be relegated to streaming - basketball is different than football as it plays games all week long as opposed to predominantly Saturdays-only. Linear TV needs live sports content, so I don't think we have to worry about this in at least the next round of the TV contract.

 

[Drew]

I don't think the BE will be relegated to streaming - basketball is different than football as it plays games all week long as opposed to predominantly Saturdays-only. Linear TV needs live sports content, so I don't think we have to worry about this in at least the next round of the TV contract.

There was a clip from Marchand & Ourand recently where they talked about where the BE would be if their rights were up for renewal today and the feedback was that they’d be “in a very similar situation to the PAC12 as a ”nice to have” but not a “need to have””.

Obviously just one (very informed) person’s opinion but I would tend to agree with that. Then you look around and every other league will have a streaming component for basketball starting next year… no chance there isn’t streaming on the BE deal IMO. Especially if they don’t like the FOX renewal offer. Even the B1G is putting 45 hoops games on Peacock starting next year.