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billybud said:
The ShaggyTexas and Landthieves are talking up Big 12 expansion as a cash grab...big money to be taken from the barbershop quartet and split up among the current 10...making those guys financially closer to the SEC/B1G while the new entrants will go for a long while on a reduced distribution.

The thought being that it is so worthwhile being in a P5 that any old gnarly piece of scrap tossed to the G5 candidate is better to them than than starving slowly.

I sure wish that the five or so candidates could get together and agree on a distribution that none would agree to go below...and stick to their guns. The Big 12 needs the new guys as badly as the new guys need the Big 12.

Sure it's OK to have to take a reduced distribution for a limited time...but it seems cold to plan on bringing in teams primarily for the purpose of raking off the monies that the media are forced by contract to give to the conference for their addition.

i really hope that this is more internet talk and that rational heads will decide that the best way to make a current G5 team more competitive in the P5 league, is to give them the financial resources to do so.

And...with a subsidy of $28 million to augment that $72 million athletic budget, UConn is one of the highest in the NCAA in subsidy. If the Big 12 offers $10 million per year, that will still leave a sizable $18 million subsidy or the athletic budget actually drops. Or am I wrong on this?

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Is what it is. Let us into a viable conference we can figure out the long term money later. Least of anyone's concern
 
amory said:
Is what it is. Let us into a viable conference we can figure out the long term money later. Least of anyone's concern
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This. Can't allow anyone to under bid us here. The uptick in ticket sales plus 3rd tier kicker would be worth it IMO. I trust the people negotiating for uconn.
 
billybud said:
The ShaggyTexas and Landthieves are talking up Big 12 expansion as a cash grab...big money to be taken from the barbershop quartet and split up among the current 10...making those guys financially closer to the SEC/B1G while the new entrants will go for a long while on a reduced distribution.

The thought being that it is so worthwhile being in a P5 that any old gnarly piece of scrap tossed to the G5 candidate is better to them than than starving slowly.

I sure wish that the five or so candidates could get together and agree on a distribution that none would agree to go below...and stick to their guns. The Big 12 needs the new guys as badly as the new guys need the Big 12.

Sure it's OK to have to take a reduced distribution for a limited time...but it seems cold to plan on bringing in teams primarily for the purpose of raking off the monies that the media are forced by contract to give to the conference for their addition.

i really hope that this is more internet talk and that rational heads will decide that the best way to make a current G5 team more competitive in the P5 league, is to give them the financial resources to do so.

And...with a subsidy of $28 million to augment that $72 million athletic budget, UConn is one of the highest in the NCAA in subsidy. If the Big 12 offers $10 million per year, that will still leave a sizable $18 million subsidy or the athletic budget actually drops. Or am I wrong on this?

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I agree with the bulk of the post Billy. In your hypothetical, with UConn getting $10 million, keep in mind that they would also get their Tier 3 rights back. We could likely sell those off for close to another $10M. Think that's optimistic? WBB is probably worth $2-3M on it's own. SNY would gratefully take our excess FB and MBB games. I'd have to believe that that would be worth at least twice WBB, despite the fact that WBB has more Tier 3 content. I also believe that they'd be likely to take 4 hockey games. Add in coaches shows and it seems easy to get to $10M.

That's just SNY. What about CBSSN? I hate having games their, but I'd still gladly accept their cash. IS FS1 a possibility?

Now, that's a rough appraisal of our game against the current opponents. The B12 would be an upgrade so they value of the games would likely increase over time.

Right now we're looking at what @28K at the Rent. Think that number goes up with B12 opponents? Same goes with MBB and WBB.

New conference affiliation means clothing purchases to purge our closets of the dreaded American logo.

Why our move to the Big 12 could be the greatest economic engine of all time. It's good for the country, by god! Hopefully those B12 presidents are all good Americans, because if they are its a done deal.

(Okay the end was a little tongue-in-cheek, but you get the point. The B12 generates cash for us in a lot of different ways. We can be flexible on the TV money.)
 
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9 million for the tier 3 TV rights would be quite a haul. It's one football game against FCS, a handful of men's basketball games and a bigger quantity of blowout women's basketball games.
 
whaler11 said:
9 million for the tier 3 TV rights would be quite a haul. It's one football game against FCS, a handful of men's basketball games and a bigger quantity of blowout women's basketball games.
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Only one FB game Whaler? The rest would be televised?
 
whaler11 said:
9 million for the tier 3 TV rights would be quite a haul. It's one football game against FCS, a handful of men's basketball games and a bigger quantity of blowout women's basketball games.
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CL82 said:
Only one FB game Whaler? The rest would be televised?
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Wouldn't it be all of our nonconference home football games at least, and possibly others not picked up by tier 1/2 options? I'm thinking avg 3 a year.
 
UConn Dan said:
Wouldn't it be all of our nonconference home football games at least, and possibly others not picked up by tier 1/2 options? I'm thinking avg 3 a year.
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The tier 3 rights in the Big 12 spell out it's exactly one home football game. It's always the worst one.

I guess a random game could slip through the cracks but it would be the league selling it not the school.
 
Copying from Mattsarz blog

Big 12 - The conference allows schools to set aside one home football game and a handful of OOC men's basketball games to monetize as they see fit after national rightsholders ABC (football), ESPN (men's basketball, including Big 12 Network syndication) and FOX cable (football) take their cuts . In the case of University of Texas, this is the Longhorn Network. Kansas has their Jayhawk Network syndication, Iowa St. does their Cyclone TV Network, etc. The games are supposed to be televised regionally but I do not believe there are location limitations when it comes to online streaming.
 
whaler11 said:
The math is pretty easy. They can steal more from 4 than 2. It's just short sighted enough to be perfect for the Big 12.
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I think Boren was spot on though. They were told there was no "appetite" for another conference network, then espn, to everyone's surprise, created an ACC network. They should get every penny contractually out of the networks. It's not really stealing if they fork it over to get into the "club".
 
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whaler11 said:
Copying from Mattsarz blog

Big 12 - The conference allows schools to set aside one home football game and a handful of OOC men's basketball games to monetize as they see fit after national rightsholders ABC (football), ESPN (men's basketball, including Big 12 Network syndication) and FOX cable (football) take their cuts . In the case of University of Texas, this is the Longhorn Network. Kansas has their Jayhawk Network syndication, Iowa St. does their Cyclone TV Network, etc. The games are supposed to be televised regionally but I do not believe there are location limitations when it comes to online streaming.
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Doesn't this mean one league game?
 
CallMeBruce said:
Doesn't this mean one league game?
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Nope it's one home game after all the partners pick.

Some 2016 examples.

Rhode Island @ Kansas on Jayhawk TV.

ULL Monroe @ OU on Fox PPV

Northern Iowa @ Iowa st on Cyclones.tv
 
NYUConn said:
UConn-Texas at Met Life in a Heartbeat.

Temple-Notre Dame at the Linc attracted over 60K+ because it was the Irish. Let's not kid ourselves. I'd say 3/4 of that crowd were Irish fans and the 1/4 that were wearing Temple colors just realized they played football that week and were there for "Philly Pride."

Case-in-point I went to Philly for the next home game against UConn and there were MAYBE 10,000 fans in attendance. Where did all those die-hards go??
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Watching the game on TV, it sounded like at least 60% Temple fans, probably closer to 70%.

Temple definitely has a strangely apathetic fan base, but given the size of the school, one could assume that they would at least represent reasonably well if given a good team. Last year, there was definitely a lot of energy surrounding the Temple football program in and around the city when they started 6-0 or 7-0.

I'm not saying they should be considered for the Big 12, but it's hard for me to believe that UConn-Texas is drawing more at Met Life than Temple-Texas would in Temple's backyard.
 
whaler11 said:
Nope it's one home game after all the partners pick.

Some 2016 examples.

Rhode Island @ Kansas on Jayhawk TV.

ULL Monroe @ OU on Fox PPV

Northern Iowa @ Iowa st on Cyclones.tv
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We know the uConn women's package was worth $2m alone a few years ago. So the question then is how much does a regional channel pay for men's bball, one football game, coaches' shows, men's hockey?
 
upstater said:
We know the uConn women's package was worth $2m alone a few years ago. So the question then is how much does a regional channel pay for men's bball, one football game, coaches' shows, men's hockey?
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Hockey is sold with the HE rights, can't sell it again.

Coaches' shows also already sold through the IMG deal.

It's an FCS football game a couple of men's games and some garbage women's games.

It's maybe 3-4 million. Who cares if they are in the league - the subsidy will be lower than it is today.
 
whaler11 said:
Hockey is sold with the HE rights, can't sell it again.
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HE does not own the rights to all home games. If there were some, specifically OOC games, that a B12 network wanted (unlikely since B12 country is anything but hockey country) UConn could sell a few of those.
 
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whaler11 said:
Copying from Mattsarz blog

Big 12 - The conference allows schools to set aside one home football game and a handful of OOC men's basketball games to monetize as they see fit after national rightsholders ABC (football), ESPN (men's basketball, including Big 12 Network syndication) and FOX cable (football) take their cuts . In the case of University of Texas, this is the Longhorn Network. Kansas has their Jayhawk Network syndication, Iowa St. does their Cyclone TV Network, etc. The games are supposed to be televised regionally but I do not believe there are location limitations when it comes to online streaming.
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Is the syndication considered Tier 3? Wouldn't the Husky Network have to be shown on a channel like SNY? If so, would SNY have to pay UConn for the rights to show the syndicated games? I honestly don't know how any of that works so I was curious.
 
UCFBfan said:
Is the syndication considered Tier 3? Wouldn't the Husky Network have to be shown on a channel like SNY? If so, would SNY have to pay UConn for the rights to show the syndicated games? I honestly don't know how any of that works so I was curious.
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No the syndicated package is the league.

That's like the old Big East Game of The Week that was Saturdays at noon. Based on that blog post it's like the BE in that it was an ESPN production. Pretty sure YES is in the B12 syndication network.

All UConn would have to sell is the actual Tier 3 games. This year would be something like: Maine FB - Wagner, Northeastern, BC, North Florida for MBB - probably 10-12 women's games and I guess a handful of home OOC hockey games.
 
whaler11 said:
No the syndicated package is the league.

That's like the old Big East Game of The Week that was Saturdays at noon.

All UConn would have to sell is the actual Tier 3 games. This year would be something like: Maine FB - Wagner, Northeastern, BC, North Florida for MBB - probably 10-12 women's games and I guess a handful of home OOC hockey games.
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Ok got it. I remember the Big East game thing but it was usually on SNY. I didn't know who got the money that SNY probably had to pay to have that game on their channel. Kind of like how NESN has some ACC games on it. That money goes straight to the conference then?
 
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UCFBfan said:
Ok got it. I remember the Big East game thing but it was usually on SNY. I didn't know who got the money that SNY probably had to pay to have that game on their channel. Kind of like how NESN has some ACC games on it. That money goes straight to the conference then?
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Yes. SNY was in the network. MASN (Baltimore/Washington version of SNY/YES) was in the network. There are all sorts of random stations around the country in those networks, some cable and some over the air.

The ACC syndication network we get in Hartford on WCCT. In a place like Raleigh the ACC syndicated games are on the NBC affiliate WRAL.

I have no idea how much stations pay to be part of those syndicated networks - I'm curious but I assume that it's sold at a bunch of different prices to bulk and single buyers.
 
whaler11 said:
Yes. SNY was in the network. MASN (Baltimore/Washington version of SNY/YES) was in the network. There are all sorts of random stations around the country in those networks, some cable and some over the air.

The ACC syndication network we get in Hartford on WCCT. In a place like Raleigh the ACC syndicated games are on the NBC affiliate WRAL.

I have no idea how much stations pay to be part of those syndicated networks - I'm curious but I assume that it's sold at a bunch of different prices to bulk and single buyers.
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Yup, WRAL is CBS.
 
Who Ha said:
Fishy please phone home
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Ironically he's said he's back in the country on Twitter.

At this point there is no such thing as a key tweet as no one had the one piece of information that changed everything. The ACCN.
 
whaler11 said:
Hockey is sold with the HE rights, can't sell it again.

Coaches' shows also already sold through the IMG deal.

It's an FCS football game a couple of men's games and some garbage women's games.

It's maybe 3-4 million. Who cares if they are in the league - the subsidy will be lower than it is today.
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But aren't Tier 1 only the games that are actually televised? Can you have an untelevised Tier 1 game?
 
CL82 said:
But aren't Tier 1 only the games that are actually televised? Can you have an untelevised Tier 1 game?
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The leagues define them differently but generally they define a number of games each partner gets and what the selection process is.

Tier 1 games are the priority selections that end up on national networks. So no by definition you won't have tier 1 games not on TV.
 
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