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Kevin Ollie is still screwed

KO has enough NBA contacts to get a job. IF, he moves on and refocuses on the game. He has a lot to offer on any staff if he gets his love for the game back. Just my opinion.
 
August_West said:
That is true, they will be fired.

and then get the remainder of their contract.

You want to list for me the number of NBA coaches fired over the years for "cause" ?


Ill wait.
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Or, as I was trying to articulate, the number of bench assistants suing their organizations?

This is apples and oranges.
 
Will Wade, Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl, Bill Self, Calipari...

but let’s play hardball with Kevin Ollie for more minor infractions
 
Chief00 said:
You realize nothing has stopped him from getting hired the last two years by an NBA team. Theoretical questions may be interesting but ultimately real life gives you the answer.
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And we're all positive he's been knocking down every GM's door only to be told "you're too litigious to be in this industry!"?
 
August_West said:
That is true, they will be fired.

and then get the remainder of their contract.

You want to list for me the number of NBA coaches fired over the years for "cause" ?


Ill wait.
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Probably the same number who violate NCAA rules and regulations repeatedly. Oh, wait…
 
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Zissou said:
Will Wade, Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl, Bill Self, Calipari...

but let’s play hardball with Kevin Ollie for more minor infractions
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Are you criticizing UConn or the NCAA?
 
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businesslawyer said:
Or we can assume the rational, which is that his lawyers wouldn't be doing this if they thought their expected return didn't justify the amount of time they are putting into it. I mean, that's not metaphysically true but you'll make more money than you'll lose betting on lawyers knowing what is in their own financial interest.
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Biz., tell me how his lawyer backs out of this gracefully at this point? Representing high profile client is different than representing an average litigant. Any mistakes made are far more visible in walking away from this thing before it goes to arbitration would be a significant PR challenge. Nope, he’s stuck in his to take this at least through arbitration.
 
CL82 said:
Probably the same number who violate NCAA rules and regulations repeatedly. Oh, wait…
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I didn’t make the nba comparison I just answered it. Because it’s ludicrous. No matter what despearation Ollie is smelling to compare it to an nba firing is ludicrous.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Former Cleveland Cavaliers assistant coach Jim Boylan filed a lawsuit on Thursday alleging age discrimination against the team

Former Sparks general manager Penny Toler accuses team of gender discrimination in lawsuit
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Good research and you found what should be the obvious - the NBA is not unlike any other business. Age, gender, race, harassment and other lawsuits happen. If someone doesn’t think a very public history of a two year dispute isn’t viewed as a red flag by certain employers - I don’t think you are living in the real world. The other thing the hiring employer would find is that the former employer and NCAA determined KO wasn’t truthful. KO should have taken $2M and started a new life.
 
Chief00 said:
Good research and you found what should be the obvious - the NBA is not unlike any other business. Age, gender, race, harassment and other lawsuits happen. If someone doesn’t think a very public history of a two year dispute isn’t viewed as a red flag by certain employers - I don’t think you are living in the real world. The other thing the hiring employer would find is that the former employer and NCAA determined KO wasn’t truthful. KO should have taken $2M and started a new life.
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yes excellent research. He got the full terms of his contract! The option wasn’t picked up! She did too!
 
Chief00 said:
Good research and you found what should be the obvious - the NBA is not unlike any other business. Age, gender, race, harassment and other lawsuits happen. If someone doesn’t think a very public history of a two year dispute isn’t viewed as a red flag by certain employers - I don’t think you are living in the real world. The other thing the hiring employer would find is that the former employer and NCAA determined KO wasn’t truthful. KO should have taken $2M and started a new life.
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OK ..KO..Things don't look good..Is Chief bluffing you or are you all in??
 
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CL82 said:
Biz., tell me how his lawyer backs out of this gracefully at this point? Representing high profile client is different than representing an average litigant. Any mistakes made are far more visible in walking away from this thing before it goes to arbitration would be a significant PR challenge. Nope, he’s stuck in his to take this at least through arbitration.
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They most likely have a deal as to what stages they can walk away. If your point is that "they might have thought it in their economic interest going in but it no longer is," well, of course. People invest in things and as it plays out you wish you haven't. But the belief (not saying yours) that they were stupid to take this one -- well, it may very well turn out that they wish they hadn't taken it, but if you get 3 to 1 odds on a roulette wheel coming up with an even number, that doesn't become a bad decision just because you lose the bet.
 
You know, most of you as usual are totally right. I thought maybe he'd never be able to work again, but people do love a comeback story, and once this is all done and over with, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a NBA assistant somewhere. After all, this story won't be in the headlines for very long. Something new always comes along to take its' place.

BUT... do you guys think he was a bad recruiter, or bad coach, or both? I mean he started off gangbusters winning the NC with JC's players in his 2nd season. But then it all fell apart. What I mean is, where did he go wrong? I still think you have to have a good hoops mind to be a NBA assistant, but if he was no good at that, what does he have to offer? I'm asking legitimately, not rhetorically.
 
CL82 said:
Biz., tell me how his lawyer backs out of this gracefully at this point? Representing high profile client is different than representing an average litigant. Any mistakes made are far more visible in walking away from this thing before it goes to arbitration would be a significant PR challenge. Nope, he’s stuck in his to take this at least through arbitration.
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The lawyer’s website cites various settlements/cases won. With KO he has totally miscalculated, if he thought this was a layup. However, it’s all or nothing, if taken to the finish line - so I suppose if you have a 20% shot at $10 million - you roll the dice. But, KO has an 80% chance (let’s say) due to how this was mishandled in my opinion of never having a decent career again.
 
He should have moved on a two years ago. He then could have gotten his life where it needed to be and not in court and losing.
At one time I thought UConn would have settled for a few million, but now I am not so sure since Ollie and his team have pushed this as far as they can. If he gets a million he will be lucky now.
 
EricLA said:
Totally agree with @LStudfellow. It is incredibly sad. Scorched earth is right. He is also correct - never say never, but the chances of Ollie ever landing any type of job related to basketball is slim to none at this time.

I think Ollie probably knew that going in, or if he didn't he should have, but I think he felt that it was worth the risk... He probably thought if he could get several millions of $ out of the university (more than if he settled), it would have held him over financially till this became a distant memory and he was able to get a new job.

Instead, he's burnt every bridge related to UCONN, destroyed any goodwill from the fans, and created a scenario where his future prospects look bleak. Even worse now, the NCAA has rejected every argument he made which makes him look even worse, if that's possible.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him flipping burgers at McDonalds or something in the near future, unless he has enough savings to live off. And with all his legal fees, I doubt he has much savings left. I want to say I feel badly for the guy, but this is a mess of his own making.
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So sad
 
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EricLA said:
You know, most of you as usual are totally right. I thought maybe he'd never be able to work again, but people do love a comeback story, and once this is all done and over with, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a NBA assistant somewhere. After all, this story won't be in the headlines for very long. Something new always comes along to take its' place.

BUT... do you guys think he was a bad recruiter, or bad coach, or both? I mean he started off gangbusters winning the NC with JC's players in his 2nd season. But then it all fell apart. What I mean is, where did he go wrong? I still think you have to have a good hoops mind to be a NBA assistant, but if he was no good at that, what does he have to offer? I'm asking legitimately, not rhetorically.
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In my opinion..KO had a nice roster in 2014 that became a very efficient team throughout the Tournament.. I believe KO benefitted substantially from his bench coaches.. Bazz/Boat were coaches on the floor..KO stayed out of their way.. They executed magnificently to win the Title.. KO and Penny H seem to have a similar coaching strategy (NBA style)..Stay out of the players way and let them make plays.. In an X's and O's game.. College BB .. It doesn't always work..And BTW..Love KO's contributions to the University over the years
 
CL82 said:
Ollie is a multi-millionaire. He'll be fine. Otherwise, I agree.
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Yeah he did play in the NBA for 18 or so years. Lol Unless he has the worst financial advisor in history, he'll be fine.
 
businesslawyer said:
They most likely have a deal as to what stages they can walk away. If your point is that "they might have thought it in their economic interest going in but it no longer is," well, of course. People invest in things and as it plays out you wish you haven't. But the belief (not saying yours) that they were stupid to take this one -- well, it may very well turn out that they wish they hadn't taken it, but if you get 3 to 1 odds on a roulette wheel coming up with an even number, that doesn't become a bad decision just because you lose the bet.
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I don’t think it was a stupid case to take at all. The potential damages were good in the idea that the Defendant might settle to avoid negative PR was it without basis. I do think Kevin‘s representation made multiple errors that move the case to a place where negotiated settlement was unlikely. But, in this particular instance, the fact that they are still representing Kevin doesn’t necessarily mean that they believe there is a lot of value in the case.

It may simply mean that they’ve decided it isn’t in their best interest to leave before arbitration is concluded in this high profile case. After making so many public statements, I suspect it would be an uncomfortable position for them to take.
 
LStudfellow said:
One of the saddest chapters to watch evolve during my 35 years as a UConn fan. Only the Tate George saga has made me close to this sad. And its not even over. I just wish someone could step in and tell him to cut bait, move on, and start to rehabilitate his image. At some point, it will matter...
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So true. So Sad. He never was quite UConn royalty (somewhat close - if the future worked out) but now he's at Deng's level or below.

Last recourse is, "Better Call Saul."

But wait Mike's dead, at least the AD is happy bout that.
 
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UConnJim said:
I'll probably be skewered for writing this, but Pitino, will all of his baggage, is one of the best basketball coaches of all time. Nobody ever questioned his work ethic or desire. That is why somebody will hire him.

For everyone's sake, the dispute between Ollie and UConn should have been settled a long time ago. I thought a $4 million settlement would be fair, but Ollie has burned every bridge and I now think he should not any kind of financial settlement. He should move on with his life and hopefully land an NBA assistant gig if he wants it.
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You shouldn’t get skewered at all. Pitino is an awful person but a fantastic coach. Possibly the best X’s and O’s Coach of all time. He has a job because his passion for the game is crazy, he’s relentless, and players want to play for him. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s a terrible guy but great great coach.
 
Is losing the NCAA appeal, despite the meaningless rhetoric in the attorney’s statement today - a moment for Team KO to huddle up, take stock and ask how do we extricate ourselves from this house of cards? They must have thought this appeal was important - because with the ruling - UConn couldn’t have employed KO as coach if they wanted to. As I said, based on information, schools hand out punishments all the time prior to the NCAA final rulings - in fact they are encourage to preemptively sanction themselves.
 
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Chief00 said:
Is losing the NCAA appeal, despite the meaningless rhetoric nonsense in the attorney’s statement today - a moment to huddle up, take stock and ask how do we extricate ourselves from this house of cards? They must have thought this appeal was important - because with the ruling standing - UConn couldn’t have employed KO as coach if they wanted to? As I said, based on information, schools hand out punishments all the time prior to the NCAA final rulings - in fact they are encourage to preemptively sanction the selves.
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Think it was a "Hail Mary" strategy.. Reasonable people would move on..Wouldn't they??
 
businesslawyer said:
Or we can assume the rational, which is that his lawyers wouldn't be doing this if they thought their expected return didn't justify the amount of time they are putting into it. I mean, that's not metaphysically true but you'll make more money than you'll lose betting on lawyers knowing what is in their own financial interest.
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True, but in every case that doesn't settle, there's a winning and losing attorney...
 
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