OT: Juan So-So?

[StllH8L8ner]

This will be known as the worst contract in the history of sports before it’s done.

Stanton’s is pretty bad but he’s sprinkled in some good years/playoffs, Bobby Bo will still be getting paid when Bryce Harper’s contract is up in 2031, but this guy takes the cake…

 

[Deepster]

Stanton’s is pretty bad but he’s sprinkled in some good years/playoffs, Bobby Bo will still be getting paid when Bryce Harper’s contract is up in 2031, but this guy takes the cake…

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No. Not really. Stanton’s high with the Yankees was 100 rbis once. He has only topped 78 rbi twice in 7 seasons and the last three years he’s hit .211, .191 and .233.

And he’s still on the payroll for 28m a year for this season and the next three.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Yankee fan opinion... Soto is an incredible hitter. That at-bat against Cleveland was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. But to me, he has already shown that he can be a bit petulant. He looked like a brat leaving Washington, there were tons of stories of him being a "diva" in San Diego and not getting along with anybody, he never seemed forthright as a Yankee, and, if you believe Klapisch and his "sources," Mets management is concerned that Soto is "miserable" and is struggling.

His career is an interesting take. #'s wise, he's on a Hall of Fame pace and I'm sure his #'s will be there at the end of this year and he'll continue to produce. He's just that good. But he's 26 and on his fourth team. Granted, there are some circumstances, and the days of one-team careers are largely over, but I cannot think of another potentially all-time great player bouncing around so much so early in their career.

As Fishy said, I think this will go down as a horrible contract, and I'd imagine years 8-15 are going to be painful.

i honestly thought he was going to stay with the Yankees. It seemed like he found a home. And with Judge there, he didn’t have as much pressure to produce.

But…I was ok that he didn’t stay…because of all the other big contracts…and I have Stanton PTSD. He wasn’t the worst contract out there…but his is one of the worst.

It’s amazing how effectively these agents have manipulated the owners. Owners are signing contracts where they know the last 5 years of the deals with be awful for the team. But if they don’t do it, another owner will.

 

[Purple Stein]

This will be known as the worst contract in the history of sports before it’s done.

Aren't the Mets still paying Bobby Bonilla through 2035?

 

[boog204]

Worse than Stanton’s? I find that hard to believe.

It'll be close. Stanton has not had great regular seasons and, to no one's surprise, has been hurt and out for varying amounts of time over the last 6-7 years. But those 18 postseason HRs, many in huge moments, have in some ways mitigated his regular-season play, and to his credit, he has handled NY extremely well.

And as posted above, Rendon's deal might be the worst of them all. In six years with the Angels, he's yet to play over 58 games in a season and openly admitted he does not care. And I think the Angels knew that and still signed him.

 

[boog204]

Aren't the Mets still paying Bobby Bonilla through 2035?

Think so. The Reds did the same with Griffey for 22 years and ended up paying him significantly more than Bonilla.

 

[Jaydumo20]

It'll be close. Stanton has not had great regular seasons and, to no one's surprise, has been hurt and out for varying amounts of time over the last 6-7 years. But those 18 postseason HRs, many in huge moments, have in some ways mitigated his regular-season play, and to his credit, he has handled NY extremely well.

And as posted above, Rendon's deal might be the worst of them all. In six years with the Angels, he's yet to play over 58 games in a season and openly admitted he does not care. And I think the Angels knew that and still signed him.

The Rendon contract wins. How awful. I was hoping the Rays were gonna sign him years ago. I forgot he was even in the league.

As for Soto im on board with your first take.
I still dont think this is a story yet, but I haven't seen any evidence that this guy has the best personality. It's okay to say a player doesn't seem like the best teammate.

 

[navery12]

This will be known as the worst contract in the history of sports before it’s done.

It's not gonna be anywhere close to the worst contract, in 5 years there's gonna be 15 players making more money than him, and he's still going to be in his prime

 

[navery12]

Soto will be fine but the panic from Mets fans is funny.

Not a single Mets fan is panicking. Every complaint you see is from a Yankees fan or someone telling Mets fans they need to be concerned

 

[navery12]

Yankee fan opinion... Soto is an incredible hitter. That at-bat against Cleveland was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. But to me, he has already shown that he can be a bit petulant. He looked like a brat leaving Washington, there were tons of stories of him being a "diva" in San Diego and not getting along with anybody, he never seemed forthright as a Yankee, and, if you believe Klapisch and his "sources," Mets management is concerned that Soto is "miserable" and is struggling.

His career is an interesting take. #'s wise, he's on a Hall of Fame pace and I'm sure his #'s will be there at the end of this year and he'll continue to produce. He's just that good. But he's 26 and on his fourth team. Granted, there are some circumstances, and the days of one-team careers are largely over, but I cannot think of another potentially all-time great player bouncing around so much so early in their career.

As Fishy said, I think this will go down as a horrible contract, and I'd imagine years 8-15 are going to be painful.

You should believe nothing Bob Klapisch writes, he's a mouthpiece for the Yankees and half of the claims he's made were disputed within hours of him writing it

 

[Deepster]

It'll be close. Stanton has not had great regular seasons and, to no one's surprise, has been hurt and out for varying amounts of time over the last 6-7 years. But those 18 postseason HRs, many in huge moments, have in some ways mitigated his regular-season play, and to his credit, he has handled NY extremely well.

How many rings have those 18 hrs brought them?

 

[StllH8L8ner]

No. Not really. Stanton’s high with the Yankees was 100 rbis once. He has only topped 78 rbi twice in 7 seasons and the last three years he’s hit .211, .191 and .233.

And he’s still on the payroll for 28m a year for this season and the next three.

The 1900’s are over, no one cares about batting average. He generally shows up in the post season including last year’s run and has carried the team at times so he’s a least had some moments where he’s appeared to be worth it. Rendon has been simply stealing money for years.

Chris Davis is one I forgot about whose contract might be worse than everyone’s though no one cares bc it’s the Orioles.

 

[Fishy]

It's not gonna be anywhere close to the worst contract, in 5 years there's gonna be 15 players making more money than him, and he's still going to be in his prime

His prime is going to last about two more seasons.

Lots of Mets fans whistling past the graveyard here - y’all know how this is gonna go for you. Just be honest with yourselves and it will be a lot easier to deal when the time comes.

You gave Edgar Martinez Lite three-quarters of a billion dollars.

 

[Deepster]

His prime is going to last about two more seasons.

Lots of Mets fans whistling past the graveyard here - y’all know how this is gonna go for you. Just be honest with yourselves and it will be a lot easier to deal when the time comes.

You gave Edgar Martinez Lite three-quarters of a billion dollars.

That's just not anywhere near accurate. He's 26.

I'm not defending what that deal will look like 9 years from now, but he's not even in his prime yet and you know it. I appreciate the trolling/hot take angle but this one is below your usual standards.

 

[Deepster]

The 1900’s are over, no one cares about batting average. He generally shows up in the post season including last year’s run and has carried the team at times so he’s a least had some moments where he’s appeared to be worth it. Rendon has been simply stealing money for years.

Chris Davis is one I forgot about whose contract might be worse than everyone’s though no one cares bc it’s the Orioles.

You realize statements like "he generally shows up in the postseason" is garbage, right? He was signed to a 13 year, $325,000,000 deal to "generally show up" in a handful of ALCS playoff games that ended up going nowhere? C'mon.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

You realize statements like "he generally shows up in the postseason" is garbage, right? He was signed to a 13 year, $325,000,000 deal to "generally show up" in a handful of ALCS playoff games that ended up going nowhere? C'mon.

We get it, you hate the Yankees. Is his contract worth it? No. Is it the worst in history as you stated above? No.

 

[Deepster]

We get it, you hate the Yankees. Is his contract worth it? No. Is it the worst in history as you stated above? No.

I prefer to stick closer to actual facts and data based performance. If you would rather say things like "Soto looks unhappy" or "Stanton shows up"? You do you.

And I don't hate the Yankees at all. I root for them over the Sox and hate the Braves and Phillies a trillion times worse than any other team.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

I prefer to stick closer to actual facts and data based performance. If you would rather say things like "Soto looks unhappy" or "Stanton shows up"? You do you.

And I don't hate the Yankees at all. I root for them over the Sox and hate the Braves and Phillies a trillion times worse than any other team.

When did I say Soto looks unhappy? If you take a trip down memory lane or simply go back a page, I said he’d be fine at the end of the season. I wished the Yankees signed him to a billion dollar contract. What do I care, I don’t ever pay for tix. In fact I’ve been to more Met games than Yankee games over the last few years bc Mrs StllH8L8ner is a Mets fan…

 

[Deepster]

When did I say Soto looks unhappy? If you take a trip down memory lane or simply go back a page, I said he’d be fine at the end of the season. I wished the Yankees signed him to a billion dollar contract. What do I care, I don’t ever pay for tix. In fact I’ve been to more Met games than Yankee games over the last few years bc Mrs StllH8L8ner is a Mets fan…

My bad insinuating you said that. That's the general sentiment of this entire discussion everywhere.

I can't wait til some NFL wide receiver gets caught driving 150 MPH or Angel Reese says something about white people to make this one disappear.

 

[boog204]

How many rings have those 18 hrs brought them?

Absolutely none. But he's been far from the problem in the Yanks postseason universe. At the time, the trade was a no brainer. The Yankees got the reigning MVP for nothing. I mean this was almost a Luka-esque deal.

 

[Scoe]

Absolutely none. But he's been far from the problem in the Yanks postseason universe. At the time, the trade was a no brainer. The Yankees got the reigning MVP for nothing. I mean this was almost a Luka-esque deal.

The Yankees fooled fans into the Stanton trade when they should've signed Bryce Harper who wanted to be a Yankee and was willing to negotiate a deal that would've given the Yankees payroll flexibility but Hal and Cashman had zero interest.

 

[Jaydumo20]

@Deepster and other Mets fans: what kind of results from Soto would make you think the contract is worth it? What do he and the Mets have to do to make a Mets fan happy?
I'm really just curious. No hidden digs.
What kind of slash line, HR numbers, post season appearances, rings would justify it all?
IMO, even though Judge hasn't won one, if he never does, i would already say that his 40mill/yr deal is already worth it. Whereas Bregman and Wheeler's contracts aren't worth it since neither of those two are Soto and Judge level.

 

[navery12]

@Deepster and other Mets fans: what kind of results from Soto would make you think the contract is worth it? What do he and the Mets have to do to make a Mets fan happy?
I'm really just curious. No hidden digs.
What kind of slash line, HR numbers, post season appearances, rings would justify it all?
IMO, even though Judge hasn't won one, if he never does, i would already say that his 40mill/yr deal is already worth it. Whereas Bregman and Wheeler's contracts aren't worth it since neither of those two are Soto and Judge level.

Wheeler as in Zack Wheeler? He's been worth every penny of that contract and the Mets choosing not to match it was a horrific decision.

For Soto I'd take a .400 OBP and 30 HRs and that contract is worth it. And I think he'll far exceed those numbers most years. 1 ring and the numbers don't even matter

 

[Deepster]

I'd like to see an arc like Lindor has taken here. He struggled early on, not sure if it's the contract, new team, market, etc. But eventually, he found his place here and contributes to the team everywhere. Obviously, being only 26, I think Soto's best statistical years are ahead of him and I think 40 HR's, 125 RBI, 125 BB and top 3 in the league in OBP % every year for the next 7-8 seasons is pretty reasonable and worth the contract.

I think my biggest plus to him is his core skill set at the plate. His eye and command of the strike zone and the mechanics of his swing. He's just built to get on base and hit the ball. So consistent and flawless. Really reminds of Bonds in that regard where he just forces the pitcher to walk him or give him something to hit....and he doesn't miss more often than not. That translates to just consistent, almost an automatic force in the top 3rd of that lineup for a decade.

 

[Jaydumo20]

I'd like to see an arc like Lindor has taken here. He struggled early on, not sure if it's the contract, new team, market, etc. But eventually, he found his place here and contributes to the team everywhere. Obviously, being only 26, I think Soto's best statistical years are ahead of him and I think 40 HR's, 125 RBI, 125 BB and top 3 in the league in OBP % every year is pretty reasonable and worth the contract.

I think my biggest plus to him is his core skill set at the plate. His eye and command of the strike zone and the mechanics of his swing. He's just built to get on base and hit the ball. So consistent and flawless. Really reminds of Bonds in that regard where he just forces the pitcher to walk him or give him something to hit....and he doesn't miss more often than not. That translates to just consistent, almost an automatic force in the top 3rd of that lineup for a decade.

If he hits those numbers, for sure. He definitely is a phenomenon. It's rare to see that much control and confidence at the plate. I'm sure we'll be talking baseball all summer so we'll see.