OT: Juan So-So?

[boog204]

Aren't the Mets still paying Bobby Bonilla through 2035?

Think so. The Reds did the same with Griffey for 22 years and ended up paying him significantly more than Bonilla.

 

[Jaydumo20]

It'll be close. Stanton has not had great regular seasons and, to no one's surprise, has been hurt and out for varying amounts of time over the last 6-7 years. But those 18 postseason HRs, many in huge moments, have in some ways mitigated his regular-season play, and to his credit, he has handled NY extremely well.

And as posted above, Rendon's deal might be the worst of them all. In six years with the Angels, he's yet to play over 58 games in a season and openly admitted he does not care. And I think the Angels knew that and still signed him.

The Rendon contract wins. How awful. I was hoping the Rays were gonna sign him years ago. I forgot he was even in the league.

As for Soto im on board with your first take.
I still dont think this is a story yet, but I haven't seen any evidence that this guy has the best personality. It's okay to say a player doesn't seem like the best teammate.

 

[navery12]

This will be known as the worst contract in the history of sports before it’s done.

It's not gonna be anywhere close to the worst contract, in 5 years there's gonna be 15 players making more money than him, and he's still going to be in his prime

 

[navery12]

Soto will be fine but the panic from Mets fans is funny.

Not a single Mets fan is panicking. Every complaint you see is from a Yankees fan or someone telling Mets fans they need to be concerned

 

[navery12]

Yankee fan opinion... Soto is an incredible hitter. That at-bat against Cleveland was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. But to me, he has already shown that he can be a bit petulant. He looked like a brat leaving Washington, there were tons of stories of him being a "diva" in San Diego and not getting along with anybody, he never seemed forthright as a Yankee, and, if you believe Klapisch and his "sources," Mets management is concerned that Soto is "miserable" and is struggling.

His career is an interesting take. #'s wise, he's on a Hall of Fame pace and I'm sure his #'s will be there at the end of this year and he'll continue to produce. He's just that good. But he's 26 and on his fourth team. Granted, there are some circumstances, and the days of one-team careers are largely over, but I cannot think of another potentially all-time great player bouncing around so much so early in their career.

As Fishy said, I think this will go down as a horrible contract, and I'd imagine years 8-15 are going to be painful.

You should believe nothing Bob Klapisch writes, he's a mouthpiece for the Yankees and half of the claims he's made were disputed within hours of him writing it

 

[Deepster]

It'll be close. Stanton has not had great regular seasons and, to no one's surprise, has been hurt and out for varying amounts of time over the last 6-7 years. But those 18 postseason HRs, many in huge moments, have in some ways mitigated his regular-season play, and to his credit, he has handled NY extremely well.

How many rings have those 18 hrs brought them?

 

[StllH8L8ner]

No. Not really. Stanton’s high with the Yankees was 100 rbis once. He has only topped 78 rbi twice in 7 seasons and the last three years he’s hit .211, .191 and .233.

And he’s still on the payroll for 28m a year for this season and the next three.

The 1900’s are over, no one cares about batting average. He generally shows up in the post season including last year’s run and has carried the team at times so he’s a least had some moments where he’s appeared to be worth it. Rendon has been simply stealing money for years.

Chris Davis is one I forgot about whose contract might be worse than everyone’s though no one cares bc it’s the Orioles.

 

[Fishy]

It's not gonna be anywhere close to the worst contract, in 5 years there's gonna be 15 players making more money than him, and he's still going to be in his prime

His prime is going to last about two more seasons.

Lots of Mets fans whistling past the graveyard here - y’all know how this is gonna go for you. Just be honest with yourselves and it will be a lot easier to deal when the time comes.

You gave Edgar Martinez Lite three-quarters of a billion dollars.

 

[Deepster]

His prime is going to last about two more seasons.

Lots of Mets fans whistling past the graveyard here - y’all know how this is gonna go for you. Just be honest with yourselves and it will be a lot easier to deal when the time comes.

You gave Edgar Martinez Lite three-quarters of a billion dollars.

That's just not anywhere near accurate. He's 26.

I'm not defending what that deal will look like 9 years from now, but he's not even in his prime yet and you know it. I appreciate the trolling/hot take angle but this one is below your usual standards.

 

[Deepster]

The 1900’s are over, no one cares about batting average. He generally shows up in the post season including last year’s run and has carried the team at times so he’s a least had some moments where he’s appeared to be worth it. Rendon has been simply stealing money for years.

Chris Davis is one I forgot about whose contract might be worse than everyone’s though no one cares bc it’s the Orioles.

You realize statements like "he generally shows up in the postseason" is garbage, right? He was signed to a 13 year, $325,000,000 deal to "generally show up" in a handful of ALCS playoff games that ended up going nowhere? C'mon.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

You realize statements like "he generally shows up in the postseason" is garbage, right? He was signed to a 13 year, $325,000,000 deal to "generally show up" in a handful of ALCS playoff games that ended up going nowhere? C'mon.

We get it, you hate the Yankees. Is his contract worth it? No. Is it the worst in history as you stated above? No.

 

[Deepster]

We get it, you hate the Yankees. Is his contract worth it? No. Is it the worst in history as you stated above? No.

I prefer to stick closer to actual facts and data based performance. If you would rather say things like "Soto looks unhappy" or "Stanton shows up"? You do you.

And I don't hate the Yankees at all. I root for them over the Sox and hate the Braves and Phillies a trillion times worse than any other team.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

I prefer to stick closer to actual facts and data based performance. If you would rather say things like "Soto looks unhappy" or "Stanton shows up"? You do you.

And I don't hate the Yankees at all. I root for them over the Sox and hate the Braves and Phillies a trillion times worse than any other team.

When did I say Soto looks unhappy? If you take a trip down memory lane or simply go back a page, I said he’d be fine at the end of the season. I wished the Yankees signed him to a billion dollar contract. What do I care, I don’t ever pay for tix. In fact I’ve been to more Met games than Yankee games over the last few years bc Mrs StllH8L8ner is a Mets fan…

 

[Deepster]

When did I say Soto looks unhappy? If you take a trip down memory lane or simply go back a page, I said he’d be fine at the end of the season. I wished the Yankees signed him to a billion dollar contract. What do I care, I don’t ever pay for tix. In fact I’ve been to more Met games than Yankee games over the last few years bc Mrs StllH8L8ner is a Mets fan…

My bad insinuating you said that. That's the general sentiment of this entire discussion everywhere.

I can't wait til some NFL wide receiver gets caught driving 150 MPH or Angel Reese says something about white people to make this one disappear.

 

[boog204]

How many rings have those 18 hrs brought them?

Absolutely none. But he's been far from the problem in the Yanks postseason universe. At the time, the trade was a no brainer. The Yankees got the reigning MVP for nothing. I mean this was almost a Luka-esque deal.

 

[Scoe]

Absolutely none. But he's been far from the problem in the Yanks postseason universe. At the time, the trade was a no brainer. The Yankees got the reigning MVP for nothing. I mean this was almost a Luka-esque deal.

The Yankees fooled fans into the Stanton trade when they should've signed Bryce Harper who wanted to be a Yankee and was willing to negotiate a deal that would've given the Yankees payroll flexibility but Hal and Cashman had zero interest.

 

[Jaydumo20]

@Deepster and other Mets fans: what kind of results from Soto would make you think the contract is worth it? What do he and the Mets have to do to make a Mets fan happy?
I'm really just curious. No hidden digs.
What kind of slash line, HR numbers, post season appearances, rings would justify it all?
IMO, even though Judge hasn't won one, if he never does, i would already say that his 40mill/yr deal is already worth it. Whereas Bregman and Wheeler's contracts aren't worth it since neither of those two are Soto and Judge level.

 

[navery12]

@Deepster and other Mets fans: what kind of results from Soto would make you think the contract is worth it? What do he and the Mets have to do to make a Mets fan happy?
I'm really just curious. No hidden digs.
What kind of slash line, HR numbers, post season appearances, rings would justify it all?
IMO, even though Judge hasn't won one, if he never does, i would already say that his 40mill/yr deal is already worth it. Whereas Bregman and Wheeler's contracts aren't worth it since neither of those two are Soto and Judge level.

Wheeler as in Zack Wheeler? He's been worth every penny of that contract and the Mets choosing not to match it was a horrific decision.

For Soto I'd take a .400 OBP and 30 HRs and that contract is worth it. And I think he'll far exceed those numbers most years. 1 ring and the numbers don't even matter

 

[Deepster]

I'd like to see an arc like Lindor has taken here. He struggled early on, not sure if it's the contract, new team, market, etc. But eventually, he found his place here and contributes to the team everywhere. Obviously, being only 26, I think Soto's best statistical years are ahead of him and I think 40 HR's, 125 RBI, 125 BB and top 3 in the league in OBP % every year for the next 7-8 seasons is pretty reasonable and worth the contract.

I think my biggest plus to him is his core skill set at the plate. His eye and command of the strike zone and the mechanics of his swing. He's just built to get on base and hit the ball. So consistent and flawless. Really reminds of Bonds in that regard where he just forces the pitcher to walk him or give him something to hit....and he doesn't miss more often than not. That translates to just consistent, almost an automatic force in the top 3rd of that lineup for a decade.

 

[Jaydumo20]

I'd like to see an arc like Lindor has taken here. He struggled early on, not sure if it's the contract, new team, market, etc. But eventually, he found his place here and contributes to the team everywhere. Obviously, being only 26, I think Soto's best statistical years are ahead of him and I think 40 HR's, 125 RBI, 125 BB and top 3 in the league in OBP % every year is pretty reasonable and worth the contract.

I think my biggest plus to him is his core skill set at the plate. His eye and command of the strike zone and the mechanics of his swing. He's just built to get on base and hit the ball. So consistent and flawless. Really reminds of Bonds in that regard where he just forces the pitcher to walk him or give him something to hit....and he doesn't miss more often than not. That translates to just consistent, almost an automatic force in the top 3rd of that lineup for a decade.

If he hits those numbers, for sure. He definitely is a phenomenon. It's rare to see that much control and confidence at the plate. I'm sure we'll be talking baseball all summer so we'll see.

 

[Jaydumo20]

Wheeler as in Zack Wheeler? He's been worth every penny of that contract and the Mets choosing not to match it was a horrific decision.

For Soto I'd take a .400 OBP and 30 HRs and that contract is worth it. And I think he'll far exceed those numbers most years. 1 ring and the numbers don't even matter

Nolan Ryan pt 2.
Wheeler is top 5 pitchers in the game but I was never a fan of giving pitchers the same yearly salary as the best hitter in the game because of the 1/5 game thing. Those things really only pay dividends in the post season. My opinion.
With your Soto numbers you'll be very happy then. He'll hit that for the next 5 yrs at least

 

[Hunt for 7]

Not hustling.
Seemingly not happy.
Not performing up to what Mets fans expected.

Should he have stayed in the Bronx, where he was clearly the most productive and happy?

Remember, he didn't love San Diego and they have great weather (which many BYers place a premium on for some reason) and great fans.

I want to hear takes from Mets and non Mets fans alike.

As a Yankee fan this is just beautiful. Another example of how greed and ego can impact everyone, even a player who appearers to have generational talent.

Or it could just be what happens when you play for the Mets. I mean they have two World Series titles. One was labeled a miracle ( think about that it took a miracle for them to win), the other was the miracle of the bouncing ball through Buckner’s legs. Yup he chose a team that is doomed to mediocrity. Mets and Knicks are a like a wart on what should be the greatest sports town in the country.

Personally, I hope it continues and he becomes so unhappy that Cohen realizes how big a mistake he made in signing him. No matter what story is true:

The one that a game suite for his family was the decider and now that has morphed into social media expanding on that and suggesting Soto personally wanted to go back to the Yankees but his family wanted him to accept the Mets offer. Guess the fam decided they would rather be treated to a suite every home game regardless if it was the best decision for their family member.

He could have been a Yankee for life and although they don’t win it all as much as they used too, look at the numbers they make the playoffs every year. The Mets not so much.

Right now I take Freid, Goldschmidt and Bellinger over Soto every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[Deepster]

Oh, the guy at the bar who got dumped by the hot girl and can't take her walking in with a new fella.

I'm going to say something that you're not going to like hearing but it's for your own good. No one cares about the Yankees anymore. The mystique is gone. They have 1 World Series in the last 25 years and no one cares about what Whitey Ford and Phil Rizzuto did. The new stadium stinks. And newsflash.....everyone makes the playoffs now. It's no longer the status symbol it was when there were 4 divisions and no wild card slots. For god's sake, the Red Sox are a more successful franchise in that division for most of your fans lifetime right now.

I'm glad your FA signings are playing well. Best of luck to you this season.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Oh, the guy at the bar who got dumped by the hot girl and can't take her walking in with a new fella.

I'm going to say something that you're not going to like hearing but it's for your own good. No one cares about the Yankees anymore. The mystique is gone. They have 1 World Series in the last 25 years and no one cares about what Whitey Ford and Phil Rizzuto did. The new stadium stinks. And newsflash.....everyone makes the playoffs now. It's no longer the status symbol it was when there were 4 divisions and no wild card slots. For god's sake, the Red Sox are a more successful franchise in that division for most of your fans lifetime right now.

I'm glad your FA signings are playing well. Best of luck to you this season.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

 

[Deepster]

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Says the guy on the Mets thread trying to puff his chest out. "He could have been a Yankee for life!!!!" LOL. So sad.

 

[Hunt for 7]

Oh, the guy at the bar who got dumped by the hot girl and can't take her walking in with a new fella.

I'm going to say something that you're not going to like hearing but it's for your own good. No one cares about the Yankees anymore. The mystique is gone. They have 1 World Series in the last 25 years and no one cares about what Whitey Ford and Phil Rizzuto did. The new stadium stinks. And newsflash.....everyone makes the playoffs now. It's no longer the status symbol it was when there were 4 divisions and no wild card slots. For god's sake, the Red Sox are a more successful franchise in that division for most of your fans lifetime right now.

I'm glad your FA signings are playing well. Best of luck to you this season.

Wow not sure if you are a Mets fan or Red Sox fan….maybe not even a fan …….just a let’s make ridiculous statements. Everyone makes the playoffs. Let’s just start with that. Here is a clue it not like Sundays at Perks grandmother’s house everyone eats. The Yankees eat most years.

2000 through 2024 playoff appearances:

Mets a whole 6 times yup mediocrity he knows it everyone knows it. 24%

Red Sox 11 times almost twice as much. 44%

Yankees that washed up franchise 20 times. 80%

What’s that saying can’t win if you don’t play oops thats the lottery….lets go with I will take making the playoffs 80% of the time since the new millennia started.

My goodness if everyone makes the playoffs what happened unless you meant the Yankees are everyone.

For what it’s worth your initial analogy was as close to being accurate as the “everyone makes the playoffs what happened now” gem.

I can do the 90’s if you would like but that will make your statement look even more wrong than this data.

 

[nomar]

Wow not sure if you are a Mets fan or Red Sox fan….maybe not even a fan …….just a let’s make ridiculous statements. Everyone makes the playoffs. Let’s just start with that. Here is a clue it not like Sundays at Perks grandmother’s house everyone eats. The Yankees eat most years.

2000 through 2024 playoff appearances:

Mets a whole 6 times yup mediocrity he knows it everyone knows it. 24%

Red Sox 11 times almost twice as much. 44%

Yankees that washed up franchise 20 times. 80%

My goodness if everyone makes the playoffs what happened unless you meant the Yankees are everyone.

For what it’s worth your initial analogy was as close to being accurate as the “everyone makes the playoffs what happened now” gem.

You don't know whether the President of the Scott Kazmir Fan Club is a Met fan???

 

[Hunt for 7]

You don't know whether the President of the Scott Kazmir Fan Club is a Met fan???

Thanks for answering that question explains the absolute blinders….he has on.

 

[Hunt for 7]

i honestly thought he was going to stay with the Yankees. It seemed like he found a home. And with Judge there, he didn’t have as much pressure to produce.

But…I was ok that he didn’t stay…because of all the other big contracts…and I have Stanton PTSD. He wasn’t the worst contract out there…but his is one of the worst.

It’s amazing how effectively these agents have manipulated the owners. Owners are signing contracts where they know the last 5 years of the deals with be awful for the team. But if they don’t do it, another owner will.

Agree with everything except the owners being manipulated. These contracts are like buying a million dollar home that increases in value 15% a year and your maintenance yearly is about $15k.

Steinbrenner bought the Yankees for $8.8M in the early 70’s they are currently worth $8.2 billion. Due that math on appreciation.

 

[Deepster]

Wow not sure if you are a Mets fan or Red Sox fan….maybe not even a fan …….just a let’s make ridiculous statements. Everyone makes the playoffs. Let’s just start with that. Here is a clue it not like Sundays at Perks grandmother’s house everyone eats. The Yankees eat most years.

2000 through 2024 playoff appearances:

Mets a whole 6 times yup mediocrity he knows it everyone knows it. 24%

Red Sox 11 times almost twice as much. 44%

Yankees that washed up franchise 20 times. 80%

What’s that saying can’t win if you don’t play oops thats the lottery….lets go with I will take making the playoffs 80% of the time since the new millennia started.

My goodness if everyone makes the playoffs what happened unless you meant the Yankees are everyone.

For what it’s worth your initial analogy was as close to being accurate as the “everyone makes the playoffs what happened now” gem.

I can do the 90’s if you would like but that will make your statement look even more wrong than this data.

LOL. The YANKEES EAT MOST YEARS!!!! Grrr! Roar!!! I remember a time when people actually did look at the Yankees with awe and were intimidated by their great teams. Now you're fighting on a Mets thread that you made the playoffs more than the Red Sox. Pathetic.

During the span you mention, the Yankees ate wild card losses in 2 of those years and lost in the first round in another 6 of those years. And Houston owned them sending them to Cancun on 4 different occasions. No one is afraid of the pinstripes anymore. Great for your "you can't win if you don't play" line. Guess what? You played a lot and didn't win. No one cares.

I can't wait for Soto to be MVP and the Mets to win a ring with him. Just to rub it in your sad whiny little faces.