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  1. BUConn10

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    I'll say it again, as of right now there is a void in our front court.

    You can disagree with me but I don't think it's that far fetched. Also I'm not just looking at star rankings and calling it a day. I'm looking at size, strength and skill. Diarra is what, 6'7"? Carlton is 6'9", and Durham 6'10" but with a wire-Y Deandre Daniels frame. Enoch may be our only true-C frame on the team, and his defense means we can't rely on him an entire game, at least not yet. That won't be able to compete with the teams with size like Texas, UNC, UK, etc. The types of talent we face in the NCAAT is drastically different from the AACT.

    Do you remember how we all felt watching that Colorodo game this year where Scott was absolutely manhandling us? A well rounded team can't get dominated in one major aspect of the game like that. Rebounding has been a recurring theme for 3 years now, and we are losing the one single reliable front court guy we've had for the last 4 years now and replacing them with freshman you've never seen play at the college level once. How you can act like it's not even a topic of discussion is beyond me.
     
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    I agree that hands are under rated. Think about the problems our big men have had holding on to rebounds, just catching the ball in the post. I think Enoch has decent hands and I hope he gets the chance to use them this year.
     
  4. AntG168

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    But Diarra, Durham, Carlton, and Enoch are ALL good to very good rebounders. Who are more than big enough for a college front line. Especially the way Ollie like to play. Also this assumes we dont get any more bigs which I believe we will
     
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    We have plenty of size and toughness now to compete against those teams. We need some more shooters and and scorers to go with what we have now. Uconn last two national championship have been won with smaller front courts or at least not extremely talented.
     
  6. champs99and04

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    I'm just a bit unclear on why you seem to have pegged kids like Gilbert as a sure thing while expressing hesitancy on somebody like Durham, when they are ranked similarly and in the same class. If you were to say that, developmentally, you have more faith in the staff maximizing what they have in the back court than in the front court, then that would be a fair point...but that's a different discussion. As it stands now, we figure to have at least three highly touted big men with varying skill sets competing for minutes in 2017-18 (Diarra, Durham, Enoch), and that doesn't include however many minutes Larrier or Jackson or insert grad transfer here will play at the four.

    To re-iterate, our biggest need for '17 is at the wing. We need a Purvis replacement ready to go if they aren't going to skip a beat from what they built in '16, and I don't see that guy on the current roster.
     
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  7. KemBuckets21

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    How many bigs in the NBA can you "dump it down to and let go to work?" Tim Duncan retired. I think your standard for assessing center type prospects needs to change.
     
  8. BUConn10

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    Because Durham hasn't played competitive basketball in nearly 2 years and is coming off of 2 ACL tears. I've torn my ACL personally and I know once the one year rehab period is over you never fully trust your knee even though your doctor says it's "as strong as ever", you never really make fast cuts on that knee like you used to.

    Also Gilbert showed me things in that video that most other high school kids aren't capable of. The only reason Gilbert and Durham are ranked in a similar area is because Gilbert's size limits his potential for the pros which is what makes up the top 15 guys or so.

    Still, I never said I don't think Durham will be good, don't know where you're getting that from. I just don't think he will be at the level we will expect for next year's team. I think 2017-18 is our best chance at a contending team, and size matters.
     
  9. BUConn10

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    I'm literally asking for a single basket. Your right, "dump it down and go to work" is a term from the 80s and 90s. All I'm asking for is a big that can get the ball 1 foot outside of the paint, and make a coordinated move that results in a score 50% of the time, at most 2 or 3 times a game. Someone who can rebound and not be moved around the paint at the defender's choosing, that's all.

    It's just crazy that we haven't had that in years now and that people find it so strange that I'm worried about the lack thereof.
     
  10. KemBuckets21

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    I mean, you're not necessarily wrong. But prospects make the league and are successful without those traditional center-ish skills. Seems like it's more common that a kid 6'10-7'0 is more likely to be able to hit a short-mid range jumper than know how to do a drop step and hook or spin move these days.
     
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    Didn't mean to imply that, I was just wondering why you drew the line where you did re: Durham and Gilbert. Your reasoning makes sense. I don't agree, but it makes sense. I suppose I have a bit more confidence in Durham's health than most, which is admittedly based on nothing more than a hunch.
     
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    In my opinion size is more impactful in basketball in the college game than the NBA game at the moment. The level of skill at the guard and wing positions in the pros offset the physical advantage bigs have, but in college the skill level is generally more even across all the positions so the bigs have a huge physical advantage.
     
  13. navery12

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    Probably because we haven't had that in years now, but have 2 championships since 2011
     
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    In that case should I pre-order my 2017 and 2020 NCAA title game tickets and t-shirt now?

    Because that's what your saying right? How do people who have such weak grasps on causation and correlation make it day to day in the business world?

    First of all, Alex Oriahki was a McD AA and the exact type of player I'm saying we could use. He actually had an offensive game in the paint. So your wrong right off the bat with the "2 championships" remark.
    Second, not having a center in 2014 was not the reason we were successful. The fact that I even need to type this out is crazy. Having a competent big man will do nothing but help us, good god you'd think I'm standing here saying the exact opposite with the amount of resistance this has gotten.
     
  15. navery12

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    Yeah I think you should order you NCAA title game tickets, because I'd hope you're getting excited about the teams we'll have in the future.

    Go ahead and lecture me about how I have a weak grasp between correlation and causation though, you're making a lot of assumptions there. Because that's not at all what I was saying, although I can see how it seemed that way. I'm not saying that's the reason that we won those championships. But I'm not going to start getting concerned about us not having those bigs, in large part because I feel like we do
     
  16. Hungryhusky99

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    Can we see these guys play before you declare them incompetent?
     
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  17. navery12

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    This basically summarizes my point without all of the fluff, I think it's jumping to conclusions to say we don't have that guy before most of the guys have even gotten minutes
     
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  18. Kembacity

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    Even if you wrote softest big man, it would still be laughed at. If you think he was the softest, you likely started watching UConn basketball in his freshman year
     
  19. mauconnfan

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    Certainly not the softest. But inconsistency was an issue as he pulled disappearing acts way too often with the body and game that he potentially had. Had some monster games against good teams as we saw but could go 8 games and average 6 and 5 which should never have happened in his world. Mumu aside he fell short of expectations but not really of toughness, just needed to bring it more.
     
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    This seems like something you would read here. Courtesy of Hoya Fans.

    So lets get this straight

    No Josh Carlton
    (Seemingly likely) No Jaren Jackson Jr.
    No Antwan Walker
    No Chris Lykes
    No Aamir Simms
    No Parker Stewart
    No Tyler Foster
    No DJ Harvey
    No Nicholas Claxton
    No Ikey Obiagu
    No Nate Watson
    No Naji Marshall
    No Malik Williams
    No Nick Weatherspoon
    No Blake Harris
    No Devonte Shuler
    No Kodye Pugh

    Basically only people left are Rafus, Beatty, Mading, Brown and Waters. I don't like our chances with Brown or Waters, and Mading/Rafus/Beatty are all borderline 3/4 stars. I understand that part of recruiting is striking out on the majority of players you try with. But this is just absurd. I think its fair to say that we are nearing a legitimate recruiting crisis. Maybe getting some wins this year will right the ship, but I honestly can't see it making THAT big of a difference unless we at least get to the Elite 8 this year.

    In summation, bad news bears everyone.
     
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  22. HooperScooper

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    Well we are due for a lower rated recruit who comes in and blows by all projections and is an impact player right away and a huge contributor down the line. Seems everyone we play and teams in the NCAA Tournament have players like this. When was the last time we had a freshman rated outside the top 100 who was an impact player right away and a huge contributor down the line? Okafor? And he was just about around top 100 by most people. So we are due!
     
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  23. tjc1888

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    Depending on your definition of impact player and huge contributor down the line....all these guys were ranked out of top 100

    Giffey
    Lamb
    Brimah
    Thabeet

    Shabazz?- Don't really remember his ranking with the reclass. Probably was top 100 but cant remember.
     
  24. aceboon

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    Lamb - RSCI rank #78
    Thabeet - RSCI rank #64
    Shabazz - RSCI rank #85
     
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    Brimah
     
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  26. tjc1888

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    Yup I was wrong.
     
  27. HooperScooper

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    Hmmmm, not sure I'd put him in the class of what I was thinking.
     
  28. Chief00

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    Assuming he stays healthy Durham is very good - I have seen him a couple times now - very impressed
     
  29. Kemba'sYogurt

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    Enoch had a lower rebound rate than brimah
     
  30. AntG168

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    I believe he's improved. He was a rebounding machine this summer. Brimah can't grab 20 boards in a game in his dreams
     
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