John Silver's Saturday Thoughts

[UConnDan97]

becuase never before has this fanbase wanted a guy out like right now. did some of us not like randy at times? sure. but we never as a group had 98% of a fanbase all wanting him out over many reasons that have added up. the hate for randy was his recruiting ways and his style of play vs big boys resuls wise. but he was building a program and hit a wall yes but never sucked like P is doing ight now. randys bad years were ugly but we knew that the program was going up. its not the case right now and the 20k of diehard local fans this program has aren't going to stand for that. that will be the attendance shocker next year. when 10 of tose 20k watch on tv, the 10k that party will never leave the lot seeing no reason to. then u will see a 25-30k sold but 15-20k in the rent.

Let me just end it on this:

1) What are the names of some of the perspective coaches that the fanbase would "come back" for?
2) What would their market salary be worth?
3) What would the attendance difference be with and without this new individual, REALISTICALLY, in terms of thousands?

Why is it that I am feeling like Whaler is the only one left that can answer these questions somewhat rationally at this point? Yes, I typed it. Mark today down...

 

[UConnDan97]

take out Michigan? oh boy

Take out my uncles stones, and he's my aunt...

 

[UConnDan97]

The argument you are stating is not the position that I am (or have been) arguing. The argument we've had is whether it would or would not be cost effective to change head coaches after this season ends, Obviously there can only be speculation today and the end result may well never be known.

You are however using some puffery as the highest number per game stated by anyone was 7k per game. You somehow construed this to be 15k (40k - 25k). I don't see this as crazy town but you appear to be veering off reality a bit to paint others as being crazy.

You also have been placing next season in a vacuum (in terms of cost effectiveness of replacing PP) as all of your arguments require the cost of the buyout being fully recovered in the upcoming season and implies that whatever happens after 2013 would have been constant regardless of when, or even if PP was replaced.

First, the "puffery" came because HFD was stating some numbers that have ne'er been seen at the Rent, including a high-end value of 45k. Second, the 2013 financials are being placed in a vacuum because that is how the statement originated. If we want to talk about long-term value, then we are not having a discussion about 7k fans for $25 a pop next year, right? Geez, c'mon, dude. That was the statement I've been talking about all along...

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Not Whaler but I'll give it a shot

Let me just end it on this:

1) What are the names of some of the perspective coaches that the fanbase would "come back" for?
To make it easy, any of the MAC coaches who have been having success at the expense of BE schools who are at least ten years younger than PP (That covers at least three, there were a handful of assistants at other schools whose names have been thrown around if you want to increase the talent pool).
2) What would their market salary be worth?
I'll start with $500k less than what we are currently paying our HC. $1.0 mm per year would be sufficient.
3) What would the attendance difference be with and without this new individual, REALISTICALLY, in terms of thousands?
Over the course of a seven home game schedule in 2013, 20k for the year would be a conservative estimate. I imagine that it would be at least that for the subsequent few seasons. All we would need to do in year one would be to sell 10k tickets at $25.00 each to break even (not including other potential ancillary gains). Going forward, the increases will grow considerably.

Why is it that I am feeling like Whaler is the only one left that can answer these questions somewhat rationally at this point? Yes, I typed it. Mark today down...

 

[Dann]

Let me just end it on this:

1) What are the names of some of the perspective coaches that the fanbase would "come back" for?
any coach that this fanbase thinks is a good hire will keep the fans happy and they will support warde killing this now and not turing us inot a bc/cuse. of 5 years of crap. look at those schools digging out of the mess. fans will respect the move as big time and a shot as us acting like it. they will buy tix and support the team for that alone. at this point its about the man with the headset. we have talent, the nfl draft will say so. but its not happeing with p and d. a new coach is not expected to win right away but if he did that would be great, i could make a very very strong argument that if u get a new coach in now, keep all recruits and most players-that 2014 would be potentially our best year ever as a program. i can back that up player by potential payer on deck and why.
2) What would their market salary be worth?
i can care less. its worth it in the long run to do this now $$ wise. its not even a question. get me a coach, maybe year 1 is small and it build up more thsan normnal contract wise. fine w/e. 1mil to 2 mil im fine with depending on who it is. if its a young guy, its got to be enough where he stays 4-5 years and we get a shot to up it to where he think about joining JC and GA and a few other great coaches we currently have around this campus. this school has something special that very few ever touch ala joe pa(lets not get into it) at psu. we have never had to deal with coaching issues until now and SO FAR ITS HITTING US IN THE DICK WITHOUT REACTION/CORRECT MOVES FROM WARDE.
3) What would the attendance difference be with and without this new individual, REALISTICALLY, in terms of thousands?
i suspect that the many who would join me on the coach would instead continue to support the new coach and program on a upward move instead of protesting p and d. i think you are under selling all those who are upset enough to not show up and the effect that has. those diehards pissed lead to causla fans that join them not caring as the tailgates arent as many and the groups get smaller. the students dont get excited seeing empty lots and never stop drinking outside. then they say, wtf i can get drunk and hi without leaving campus plus watch the game at the same time. huge snowball effect. i think u will see many also go hard media wise this summer if p and d are still here. an all out front for fans to protest. it will get ugly
Why is it that I am feeling like Whaler is the only one left that can answer these questions somewhat rationally at this point? Yes, I typed it. Mark today down...
u are in a drak place. lets get a beer and get u out of it

 

[metsfan2323]

"1) What are the names of some of the perspective coaches that the fanbase would "come back" for?
To make it easy, any of the MAC coaches who have been having success at the expense of BE schools who are at least ten years younger than PP (That covers at least three, there were a handful of assistants at other schools whose names have been thrown around if you want to increase the talent pool).
2) What would their market salary be worth?
I'll start with $500k less than what we are currently paying our HC. $1.0 mm per year would be sufficient."

Amen to this

 

[ruskin]

What Silver is essentially saying is Manuel/Herbst/fan base HAVE to live with Hathaway's god-awful horrendous hire because. . . . .because . . . well, no one fires anybody after two years, especially UConn. (Never mind that the PP hire itself "projected weakness" to the rest of the college football world by hiring a coach that, as is pointed out often here, wasn't on ANYBODY's radar, except for Larry McHugh's).
I don't understand why these Horde guys are having a hard time grasping that the normal pollyanna got-to-give-a-coach-three-years axiom doesn't/shouldn't apply here. This is not even Indiana or Vanderbilt or Baylor, where there is conference stability and a semblance of I-A tradition. There's nothing normal about the way PP was hired by a weak and easily led and now gone AD, or the realignment mess, or the fact that a $150-million-plus investment in infrastructure in the last decade exceeded by few others is getting pissed away on a weekly basis, or at least to the tune of 8-12 in the past 20 games. Or the fact that a large part of an already shaky season ticket base won't renew if PP is in charge next year, Michigan or no Michigan.
UConn has been burned by BC, Pitt and Syracuse, among many others, because it thought "gentleman's agreements" still existed in big-time college football. It's almost laughable the Horde is lobbying for UConn to take that stance yet again because somebody no longer here made a terrible mistake two years ago.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

What Silver is essentially saying is Manuel/Herbst/fan base HAVE to live with Hathaway's god-awful horrendous hire because. . . . .because . . . well, no one fires anybody after two years, especially UConn. (Never mind that the PP hire itself "projected weakness" to the rest of the college football world by hiring a coach that, as is pointed out often here, wasn't on ANYBODY's radar, except for Larry McHugh's).

I'm curious as to how much power McHugh has and if he is what is keeping PP safe.

 

[uconNYC]

1) What are the names of some of the perspective coaches that the fanbase would "come back" for?
2) What would their market salary be worth?
3) What would the attendance difference be with and without this new individual, REALISTICALLY, in terms of thousands?

As long as it is not a PP clone or some ESPN analyst the fan base will be happy. Like a poster mentioned earlier, fans just need a sense of hope - that good results may be on the horizon. The problem with PP is not just the results. He does not engage or inspire the fan base, recruiting hasn't really picked-up and because of his age and experience an argument that he is "learning the ropes" does not fly. With PP there is no sense of hope.

1) I think the fan base would be content with any up and coming head coach from a lower level league or an assistant coach from a major program.

2) $1 Million

3) I believe Michigan and Maryland will be sold-out. The other five games will average 28,000. A new coach would raise that to 33,000 or an extra 25,000 tickets sold.

 

[whaler11]

As long as it is not a PP clone or some ESPN analyst the fan base will be happy. Like a poster mentioned earlier, fans just need a sense of hope - that good results may be on the horizon. The problem with PP is not just the results. He does not engage or inspire the fan base, recruiting hasn't really picked-up and because of his age and experience an argument that he is "learning the ropes" does not fly. With PP there is no sense of hope.

1) I think the fan base would be content with any up and coming head coach from a lower level league or an assistant coach from a major program.

2) $1 Million

3) I believe Michigan and Maryland will be sold-out. The other five games will average 28,000. A new coach would raise that to 33,000 or an extra 25,000 tickets sold.

No way. Attendance is based on tickets sold and season tickets will sell because people want those two games. 2014 may be 25k every game but the tickets will be sold next year.

 

[ruskin]

Coaching Hot Seat has a fairly reliable list of head coaches salaries.

It was mentioned above that you could get a young coach cheaper. I think that's true. Let's use our new friend Neal Brown of Texas Tech as an example. He's was making $355K last year. Let's be way generous and say he got a big raise to $500K this year. He applied to be the head coach at UMass which pays $400,000. You could bring Brown (or someone of his ilk) in for as little as $750,000 with a TON of incentives (including boosting season ticket sales, which a young coach like Brown would hopefully embrace as part of the job).

Why PP's base pay is as high as it is is another wonderful mystery only JH can answer.

 

[metsfan2323]

Coaching Hot Seat has a fairly reliable list of head coaches salaries.

It was mentioned above that you could get a young coach cheaper. I think that's true. Let's use our new friend Neal Brown of Texas Tech as an example. He's was making $355K last year. Let's be way generous and say he got a big raise to $500K this year. He applied to be the head coach at UMass which pays $400,000. You could bring Brown (or someone of his ilk) in for as little as $750,000 with a TON of incentives (including boosting season ticket sales, which a young coach like Brown would hopefully embrace as part of the job).

Why PP's base pay is as high as it is is another wonderful mystery only JH can answer.

Yup, P's ridiculous base salary is all the more reason to fire him. Net, net if P is fired UCONN will save money over the next two seasons even with the large buyout. The reporters that follow this team apparently failed Accounting 101.

 

[UConnDan97]

So by my count, three people (HFD, FCF, UconNYC) have answered my questions, and yet none of them provided an answer to question #1 (names of perspective coaches).

At least Ruskin gave us Neal Brown (interesting that the "Coaching Hot Seat" is the second site that I've seen Kyle Flood's salary reported at 1.5 mil and not 750k, but I have seen another site say that it was 750k....not sure what to believe). I think Ruskin is right that 750k with a highly incentivized contract may indeed land him. Short term money loss. Long term money gain. I'm good with that, assuming that he's the right guy.

At least I agree with HFD that he and I need to go grab a beer...

 

[whaler11]

So by my count, three people (HFD, FCF, UconNYC) have answered my questions, and yet none of them provided an answer to question #1 (names of perspective coaches).

At least Ruskin gave us Neal Brown (interesting that the "Coaching Hot Seat" is the second site that I've seen Kyle Flood's salary reported at 1.5 mil and not 750k, but I have seen another site say that it was 750k....not sure what to believe). I think Ruskin is right that 750k with a highly incentivized contract may indeed land him. Short term money loss. Long term money gain. I'm good with that, assuming that he's the right guy.

At least I agree with HFD that he and I need to go grab a beer...

You want the names of 'prospective' coaches?

Do you want the up and coming coordinators - the MAC level head coaches - or the former BCS retreads who may do well?

 

[Dann]

So by my count, three people (HFD, FCF, UconNYC) have answered my questions, and yet none of them provided an answer to question #1 (names of perspective coaches).

At least Ruskin gave us Neal Brown (interesting that the "Coaching Hot Seat" is the second site that I've seen Kyle Flood's salary reported at 1.5 mil and not 750k, but I have seen another site say that it was 750k....not sure what to believe). I think Ruskin is right that 750k with a highly incentivized contract may indeed land him. Short term money loss. Long term money gain. I'm good with that, assuming that he's the right guy.

At least I agree with HFD that he and I need to go grab a beer...

because at this point the name of the coach doesnt matter, its about a direction change for the program. simple as that. here is a list i posted last week in a old thread:
neal brown
matt campbell
willie taggart
sonny dykes
todd berry
gus malzahn
gary anderson
darrell hazell

 

[whaler11]

God please take Todd Berry off the list.

 

[UConnDan97]

You want the names of 'prospective' coaches?

Do you want the up and coming coordinators - the MAC level head coaches - or the former BCS retreads who may do well?

Good catch on the spelling error. I needed the names of "prospective" coaches in order to give me "perspective" on how much they would cost...

 

[Dann]

God please take Todd Berry off the list.

to old? not good enough? hes not #1 but a long shot but i think hes worth a look. do u have a list?

 

[john2153]

I'd add Chad Morris to that list.

 

[UConnDan97]

because at this point the name of the coach doesnt matter, its about a direction change for the program. simple as that. here is a list i posted last week in a old thread:
neal brown
matt campbell
willie taggart
sonny dykes
todd berry
gus malzahn
gary anderson
darrell hazell

Who do you figure the hottest commodity is on that board? Malzahn? (I think Arkansas State ripped the off of someone today if I remember correctly). How much bank do you think it would cost to get him? If you think another name on that board is hotter, which one is it, and what would be the top-end pay?

Addendum: Arkansas State 50 - Louis. Laf. 27.

Arkansas State - 5-3 record, two of the three losses were both on the road at Nebraska and Oregon. Not bad...

 

[john2153]

Chizik is like 6-27 or something ridiculous like that without Malzahn running his offense. He is definitely a guy to go after. But I read he took the Ark St job because that's where he coached high school and he feels at home there. Not sure if he would leave.

 

[whaler11]

to old? not good enough? hes not #1 but a long shot but i think hes worth a look. do u have a list?

I saw his cheap shot act at Army. Just can't stand him.

 

[huskymedic]

Yup, P's ridiculous base salary is all the more reason to fire him. Net, net if P is fired UCONN will save money over the next two seasons even with the large buyout. The reporters that follow this team apparently failed Accounting 101.

His base salary is $375k this year?

 

[Dann]

Who do you figure the hottest commodity is on that board? Malzahn? (I think Arkansas State ripped the off of someone today if I remember correctly). How much bank do you think it would cost to get him? If you think another name on that board is hotter, which one is it, and what would be the top-end pay?

Addendum: Arkansas State 50 - Louis. Laf. 27.

Arkansas State - 5-3 record, two of the three losses were both on the road at Nebraska and Oregon. Not bad...

yup prob him but he may have a sec job soon. thats why all those syaing wait till after the season are wrong. can p and d now and place interns in. were this season already and were going to take more l's. who cares who is coach for the last couple of them. we could be back room contracting a gus right now instead of being in line with 5 other teams in december. #whereiswarde

anythign under 2mil for the right guy i'm fine with. would i give neal brown 2 mil? no im not stupid. he gets 750 year 1 and up to a mil by 3 and then we figure out long term. but u cant be afraid to hit the home run and go big. giving 1.6 to p was a huge mistake now looking at it. but if this state was ok with that # for him, then the right guy for 2mil should not be a issue.

 

[Dann]

I'd add Chad Morris to that list.

i had to look him up but yes, he would be someone i would atleast look at. thanks for the new name. i would also add that butch and urban should be guys we look into. i think urban should be #1 and the ncaa letter for aproval shouldnt scare us 1 inch.

could u magine hfd rocking a blue vest with beer stains? pure greatness!

hammered edit-tressel not urban chesus lol

 

[huskymedic]

We don't need the BOT, SH or WM or any search firm/committee - just put it to a vote of the BY. It has become obvious just within this thread that there is so much more brainpower and athletic department experience within - anything else would be a colossal waste of time and resources.

 

[whaler11]

We don't need the BOT, SH or WM or any search firm/committee - just put it to a vote of the BY. It has become obvious just within this thread that there is so much more brainpower and athletic department experience within - anything else would be a colossal waste of time and resources.

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Tonight is hopefully rock bottom for the
Boneyard.

 

[UConnDan97]

Tonight is hopefully rock bottom for the
Boneyard.

I need a win over USF like you read about!!!

 

[Dann]

Tonight is hopefully rock bottom for the
Boneyard.

We don't need the BOT, SH or WM or any search firm/committee - just put it to a vote of the BY. It has become obvious just within this thread that there is so much more brainpower and athletic department experience within - anything else would be a colossal waste of time and resources.

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u u guys think 2night is rock bottom for the BY, then i dont know what to tell u about next weekend. then the weekend after that and so on. just wait until the season is over and we reach a full hour post season and P is still coach. buckle up.

 

[whaler11]

u u guys think 2night is rock bottom for the BY, then i dont know what to tell u about next weekend. then the weekend after that and so on. just wait until the season is over and we reach a full hour post season and P is still coach. buckle up.

Rock bottom in stupidity. Im sure the anger level will keep rising.