Jeff Goodwin's Big East update

[RuffRuff]

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You absolutely trashed him. Reed could barely move/jump against BYU and Illinois and you're questioning his heart/toughness.

It's not all about roses and drinking the Kool-aid but you constantly denigrate our players and make these terrible takes.

Distant past? What are you even talking about?

I stand by it - I don't think Tarris is the kind of kid that would play well through pain. He might go out there. There are some guys that can grit pain out and find ways to be effective, some can't. The kid has a tough time staying consistent even when he's coming off the bench. Love him as a player, I just think it's important to give him consistency.

Posters are referring to St Peter's with Painter to evaluate him as a coach today - who cares about that. That doesn't take away from what he's done more recently. Coaches need time, just like players, to figure things out. Painter has over 500 wins and a 70% winning percentage at Purdue.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I stand by it - I don't think Tarris is the kind of kid that would play well through pain.

I'm curious as to how you could possibly have any clue as to how much pain he was in?

Yes it's possible that it was at a level that some could play through, but it is also possible that it was at a level that some warriors couldn't tolerate. We don't have any was of knowing and I personally find it mind boggling that someone would not only jump to a conclusion like that, but also share it on the internet.

 

[superjohn]

I stand by it - I don't think Tarris is the kind of kid that would play well through pain. He might go out there. There are some guys that can grit pain out and find ways to be effective, some can't. The kid has a tough time staying consistent even when he's coming off the bench. Love him as a player, I just think it's important to give him consistency.

Posters are referring to St Peter's with Painter to evaluate him as a coach today - who cares about that. That doesn't take away from what he's done more recently. Coaches need time, just like players, to figure things out. Painter has over 500 wins and a 70% winning percentage at Purdue.

You said he doesn't strike you as a kid who can tough out some pain. You said this after he just toughed it out through pain against BYU and Illinois to help the team win both. You also said his body language was terrible.

 

[DFW HOYA]

Before Ewing screwed everything up, they were one of the top programs in the country. Cooley is doing his best Hurley impression to put the pieces back together.

There is a quote out there that Ed Cooley did not find the cupboard bare when he arrived at Georgetown, there was no cupboard at all. Ewing left nothing.

 

[MJ1]

Not gonna list them all - walk through the B10, SEC.

I don’t know why you keep clinging to the idea the BE has legs to compete with the P4. It’s more hope than reality.

No BE school other than us is making a F4, for as far out as I can see. Trend is pretty vivid.

So 25 years of no Big 10 title is enough for you? Villanova and UConn are both capable and St. John’s with Rick will always have a punchers chance. Stop drinking the kool aid. Basketball is different than football, a big East school, a Gonzaga can make it to and even win a FF.

 

[HooperScooper]

I'm curious as to how you could possibly have any clue as to how much pain he was in?

Because he has to give an opinion on anything and everything on here. It might be helpful if he either gets another hobby or spends more time with his family. Preferably both. 😀

 

[Excalibur]

I stand by it - I don't think Tarris is the kind of kid that would play well through pain. He might go out there. There are some guys that can grit pain out and find ways to be effective, some can't. The kid has a tough time staying consistent even when he's coming off the bench. Love him as a player, I just think it's important to give him consistency.

Posters are referring to St Peter's with Painter to evaluate him as a coach today - who cares about that. That doesn't take away from what he's done more recently. Coaches need time, just like players, to figure things out. Painter has over 500 wins and a 70% winning percentage at Purdue.

. . . Pretends end of BYU game didn’t happen . . .

 

[RuffRuff]

So 25 years of no Big 10 title is enough for you? Villanova and UConn are both capable and St. John’s with Rick will always have a punchers chance. Stop drinking the kool aid. Basketball is different than football, a big East school, a Gonzaga can make it to and even win a FF.

World is changing my man - and it's changing fast. The Big10 has 2 of the top 4 teams in the country this year, and the best conference this year. This is not 2018, it's 2025.

Gonzaga can do it because they have a genius at head coach - the Few's are few (get it) and far between.

Did you not see how scratch the Elite 8 was last year? It's going to look more and more like football. The mid majors and low high majors will be minor league systems for the real high majors.

 

[Excalibur]

You said he doesn't strike you as a kid who can tough out some pain. You said this after he just toughed it out through pain against BYU and Illinois to help the team win both. You also said his body language was terrible.

If he can’t understand why the comment is considered to be “trashing” a player, he’s probably irredeemable.

 

[Inyatkin]

Because he has to give an opinion on anything and everything on here. It might be helpful if he either gets another hobby or spends more time with his family. Preferably both. 😀

Listen, it’s not easy being the only poster who can see things objectively. It’s a heavy burden amid all this pro-UConn hysteria he’s dealing with

 

[RuffRuff]

Because he has to give an opinion on anything and everything on here. It might be helpful if he either gets another hobby or spends more time with his family. Preferably both. 😀

I'm in Executive Search in the Venture Capital world - on a machine a lot. Some things I do are tedious, and jamming with you fools is a nice way to keep it interesting. I type fast, and I miss HooperScooper often.

 

[HooperScooper]

I'm in Executive Search in the Venture Capital world - on a machine a lot. Some things I do are tedious, and jamming with you fools is a nice way to keep it interesting. I type fast, and I miss HooperScooper often.

Do you express this many opinions to your wife and kids? If so I need to ask them how much they enjoy it. 😀

 

[RuffRuff]

Do you express this many opinions to your wife and kids? If so I need to ask them how much they enjoy it. 😀

It's not nearly as interesting - and it's way smarter to just listen to your wife, 100% of the time.

 

[John]

Coincidentally he updated it right after I posted. First official NET comes out Monday.

Rocking the old school logo

 

[champs99and04]

There is a quote out there that Ed Cooley did not find the cupboard bare when he arrived at Georgetown, there was no cupboard at all. Ewing left nothing.

I think you and @HW611 are cutting Cooley too much slack here. It's not 2018 anymore. New coaches are almost always tasked with replacing an entire roster upon arrival, and most of the good ones have no trouble finding ways to compete immediately. For Georgetown to still be losing to teams like Dayton and Miami in the third year of Cooley's tenure doesn't cut it. Not saying it's entirely his fault because I don't know what kinds of conversations take place between boosters, admin, etc. But we can't have it both ways where Georgetown is one of the top jobs in the country and Cooley gets to be graded with kid gloves.

 

[HW611]

I think you and @HW611 are cutting Cooley too much slack here. It's not 2018 anymore. New coaches are almost always tasked with replacing an entire roster upon arrival, and most of the good ones have no trouble finding ways to compete immediately. For Georgetown to still be losing to teams like Dayton and Miami in the third year of Cooley's tenure doesn't cut it. Not saying it's entirely his fault because I don't know what kinds of conversations take place between boosters, admin, etc. But we can't have it both ways where Georgetown is one of the top jobs in the country and Cooley gets to be graded with kid gloves.

As I said before, injuries.

They beat Maryland and Clemson previously before Vince went down. He was kind of their anchor off the bench. Averaged more minutes, rebounds, and 2 blocks a game over Julius. It was a huge loss for them.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

As I said before, injuries.

They beat Maryland and Clemson previously before Vince went down. He was kind of their anchor off the bench. Averaged more minutes, rebounds, and 2 blocks a game over Julius. It was a huge loss for them.

Clemson is a good win, Maryland doesn’t really move the needle for me. I hear your point on injuries but at some point he actually has to produce some results, regardless of excuses. Plenty of teams have injuries and are built in a way to play through that.

 

[HW611]

Clemson is a good win, Maryland doesn’t really move the needle for me. I hear your point on injuries but at some point he actually has to produce some results, regardless of excuses. Plenty of teams have injuries and are built in a way to play through that.

If one of his guards had an injury that would be the case. They’re deep on the perimeter.

But both years these injuries have come from his bigs. Could make a case Vince was Georgetown’s most effective one.

Sober, obviously, was a lottery pick last year.

Would’ve liked to see what a healthy Georgetown did against Dayton and Miami.

 

[freescooter]

Overall, long term Marquette and Georgetown will be fine.

Marquette is going to be up and down because of Shaka’s strategy unless they start convincing better recruits to go to Wisconsin. He’s relying on a system of grooming fringe top 100 guys which takes time.

Georgetown has shown they are willing to bring in talent through every avenue and has been good doing it. Once they get their footing, I expect them to replace St John’s once Pitino retires as our main rivals.

Think Willard can make noise at Nova once he gets that ship moving.

I have no idea how good McDermott is without Kalkbrenner. It seems like he was there forever.

Everyone else in the conference is meh. I hope Holloway moves on to a team with better resources in conference to compete. Maybe replace Pitino at St John’s when he’s done.

This conference needs great coaches at all of the east coast schools with the history, prestige, and resources to attract the talent to compete with us.

UConn has that. It isn’t 1983 any more. Georgetown hasn’t been even relevant for 20 years. St John’s has been at best a sweet 16 team for 40 years and rarely that good. Providence well Ernie D is 74. The east coast schools have about as much prestige as LaSalle. Only Villanova and the Huskies have done anything in the past 20 years. The rest have varied between bad and meh . Beginning in the late 1990s the power shifted in the Big East from the Catholic schools to the larger, better funded and better equipped football schools. Syracuse, PITT, West Virginia, UConn, became the powers. When the New Big East was formed in 2013 it looked like the Catholics were back but it was largely an optical illusion. Only Villanova, who had been the only Catholic 7 member to hang with the bigger schools, emerged as the power. The others got bids but were not really that good. Typically they went out in the first or 2nd round just as you’d expect. In the old Big East they’d have likely been mid level programs.

 

[HW611]

UConn has that. It isn’t 1983 any more. Georgetown hasn’t been even relevant for 20 years. St John’s has been at best a sweet 16 team for 40 years and rarely that good. Providence well Ernie D is 74. The east coast schools have about as much prestige as LaSalle. Only Villanova and the Huskies have done anything in the past 20 years. The rest have varied between bad and meh . Beginning in the late 1990s the power shifted in the Big East from the Catholic schools to the larger, better funded and better equipped football schools. Syracuse, PITT, West Virginia, UConn, became the powers. When the New Big East was formed in 2013 it looked like the Catholics were back but it was largely an optical illusion. Only Villanova, who had been the only Catholic 7 member to hang with the bigger schools, emerged as the power. The others got bids but were not really that good. Typically they went out in the first or 2nd round just as you’d expect. In the old Big East they’d have likely been mid level programs.

Again, Georgetown had a NPOY in 2013 and was the #1 team in the country at a point that year.

I’m not sure where the 20 years come from. They were relevant all the way up until the Big East blew up. Pretty much every Big East power has faltered, including us, since then.

 

[freescooter]

They didn’t make it to a second weekend because they underperformed in the tournament. But they were consistently a top 10 team and had a NPOY as recently as 2012. They also made it to a Sweet 16 that year

I know championships are the only measure of success for us, but other programs aren’t as fortunate and have to look at other factors for success too lol

You do know it is 2025-26 right? 2012 was 14 years ago.

 

[HW611]

You do know it is 2025-26 right? 2012 was 14 years ago.

Again, they went through the same tailspin every powerhouse in the Old Big East went through at that time once the conference destructed.

 

[freescooter]

Again, Georgetown had a NPOY in 2013 and was the #1 team in the country at a point that year.

I’m not sure where the 20 years come from. They were relevant all the way up until the Big East blew up. Pretty much every Big East power has faltered, including us, since then.

2013 was 13 years ago. Was that the mighty Georgetown team that lost in the first round to that other national powerhouse Florida Gulf Coast? Good grief. If anything that proves my point. Utterly overrated.

 

[Mike Honcho]

Again, Georgetown had a NPOY in 2013 and was the #1 team in the country at a point that year.

I’m not sure where the 20 years come from. They were relevant all the way up until the Big East blew up. Pretty much every Big East power has faltered, including us, since then.

Otto Porter was a consensus first team AA but he wasn't NPOY.

 

[HW611]

Otto Porter was a consensus first team AA but he wasn't NPOY.

That’s correct and my mistake. Like you said he was still a consensus AA so the point still stands.

Pretty much no Big East powerhouse went through the conference breakup unscathed.