Javonte Brown-Ferguson Reclass?

[ctchamps]

Not in 2020. I think the argument could be made for 2021 though.

19 MPG
5.7 PPG
3.4 RPG
(No assists listed)
53% FG
35% FT
0.82 Blocks

Stats mentioned earlier that he had a big breakout game or two at the end of the AAU season (22/10 or something like that) as well.

Those are solid numbers for a 2021, but not really for a 2020. He'd be ranked lower than Cardwell, probably. Maybe even around 200... just based purely off numbers and no other factors. He just has a really young body compared to his peers--I'm sure he's getting bullied around the rim.

For comparison...

Cliff averaged 11.8/6.7/1.6 blocks
Cardwell averaged 6.2/8.2/2.3 blocks

So yeah, he's not as good as our 2020 recruits. But also has a higher ceiling than Cardwell definitely, maybe even cliff. If the coaches think with the luxury of a senior Carlton, senior whaley, and a sophomore springs makes it worth the development time, go for it. He'd be younger than most freshman bball players as a sophomore.

Summer stats I could find from top 100 centers...

Nate Bittle #15 -- 9.1/4.3/1.3 block
Franck Kepnang #19 -- 5.6/4.2/ 2 block
Jerrell Colbert #20 -- 8.4/6.2/1.6 block
Daimion Collins-- #22 -- Played 16u
Ernest Ross -- #38 -- 4.1/3.3/0.3 bpg
Charles Bediako #40 -- 16u Uplay Canada
John Butler #51-- 6.2/5.1/1.8bpg (dreadful 40% from the field... reminds me A LOT of juwan durham)
Jackson Grant #53-- Played 16u
Frank Anselem #59 -- Played 16u
Adama Sonogo #63 -- 8.4/8.6/1.1bpg for the NY Rens
Micah Etienne #67 -- Played 16u
Roosevelt Wheeler #68 -- Played 16u
Wilhelm Breidenbach #89 -- 7.5/5.8/0.7

I think what this shows is that rankings are REALLY based on potential and not stats after that top 15 sometimes. Adama Sonogo, for example... clearly outplaying his ranking. The good news is Javonte Brown Ferguson played up with 17u, which a lot of guys didn't.

I think it's fair to say he could be a 50ish recruit in 2021 considering his physical profile with room to grow. 2020 only? He's definitely out of the Top 100. A year under Carlton working with Kenya, and with Whaley, Spring, Carlton all vying for time too could be a great thing for him.

Some terrific information as always. Thanks man.

 

[superjohn]

@husky429 I know nothing about him other than clips I've looked up but he looks slow and doesn't jump. I have trouble evaluating bigs like this because they progress and grow into their bodies at different rates. He has very good bball schools recruiting him so there must be something but he looks a bit like Bambi on ice right now to me, all limbs.

 

[UConnStats]

@husky429 I know nothing about him other than clips I've looked up but he looks slow and doesn't jump. I have trouble evaluating bigs like this because they progress and grow into their bodies at different rates. He has very good bball schools recruiting him so there must be something but he looks a bit like Bambi on ice right now to me, all limbs.

Agreed that he’s mostly projection at this point, but it’s hard not to be impressed with the offers and frame. For all intents and purposes, we’re more concerned with how our 2020 C commit looks two years from now than next year. So if Hurley sees him being a beast 2 years from now, it would make sense to prioritize him over a long term rim runner IMO. Excluding Cliff, I’m fine with taking that risk on Javonte Brown Ferguson considering our alternatives. Hurley has already proven he can develop bigs in my eyes.

He also played much better in the summer than he did in the spring this year, so maybe he’s starting to tap into the potential that these staffs see in him.

 

[ctchamps]

@husky429 I know nothing about him other than clips I've looked up but he looks slow and doesn't jump. I have trouble evaluating bigs like this because they progress and grow into their bodies at different rates. He has very good bball schools recruiting him so there must be something but he looks a bit like Bambi on ice right now to me, all limbs.

Exactly. He hasn't fully grown into his body so difficult to judge. Love Carlton for not bringing ball down. Javonte Brown Ferguson needs to change this.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Agreed that he’s mostly projection at this point, but it’s hard not to be impressed with the offers and frame. For all intents and purposes, we’re most concerned with how our 2020 C commit looks two years from now than next year. So if Hurley sees him being a beast 2 years from now, it would make sense to prioritize him over a long term rim runner IMO. Excluding Cliff, I’m fine with taking that risk on Javonte Brown Ferguson considering our alternatives. Hurley has already proven he can develop bigs in my eyes.

He also played much better in the summer than he did in the spring this year, so maybe he’s starting to tap into the potential that these staffs see in him.

Had to like this for the correct usage of "intents and purposes".

Also generally agree. Have no real idea how to scout and project guys like this. Trust that the staff knows what they are doing here.

 

[RichZ]

Had to like this for the correct usage of "intents and purposes".

I appreciate that. Especially because I had just cringed over "stepped foot" a post or two farther up the thread.

 

[BackAftaThis]

 

[Bonk]

I just watched this game of his. I hate to say it but this kid is a major project.

I know he is a year young so I am sure there is still good upside but from this footage he plays slow which leads to many fouls, doesn't play good post defense, isn't assertive on offense, and a pretty non-factor with rebounding even though he was at least 3 inches taller than the next player on the court.

 

[Road2Six]

I just watched this game of his. I hate to say it but this kid is a major project.

I know he is a year young so I am sure there is still good upside but from this footage he plays slow which leads to many fouls, doesn't play good post defense, isn't assertive on offense, and a pretty non-factor with rebounding even though he was at least 3 inches taller than the next player on the court.

I tried asking in another post what people saw in him because from the footage I’ve seen I wasn’t that impressed and I got shut down for judging kids based on highlight films. My question is how can we feel good about a prospect if you can’t even feel encouraged from a highlight film. How the hell else are we supposed to gain insight on a player? Invite them over for dinner?

 

[Bonk]

I tried asking in another post what people saw in him because from the footage I’ve seen I wasn’t that impressed and I got shut down for judging kids based on highlight films. My question is how can we feel good about a prospect if you can’t even feel encouraged from a highlight film. How the hell else are we supposed to gain insight on a player? Invite them over for dinner?

I agree, usually I don't try to look just at highlight films to judge a player but even this kids highlights let a lot to be desired. I thought my Juwan Durham comparison was pretty accurate, but juwan had more skills

 

[navery12]

I tried asking in another post what people saw in him because from the footage I’ve seen I wasn’t that impressed and I got shut down for judging kids based on highlight films. My question is how can we feel good about a prospect if you can’t even feel encouraged from a highlight film. How the hell else are we supposed to gain insight on a player? Invite them over for dinner?

By looking at the list of schools who have offered

 

[Road2Six]

By looking at the list of schools who have offered

That’s great and all, but who knows why other teams are offering. Maybe they want a serviceable 4 year backup big. And maybe that’s what Hurley and Co. see in him as well if we can’t land a Cliff type. But eventually once josh is gone we need an impact big and he’s not it

 

[HuskyFich]

That’s great and all, but who knows why other teams are offering. Maybe they want a serviceable 4 year backup big. And maybe that’s what Hurley and Co. see in him as well if we can’t land a Cliff type. But eventually once josh is gone we need an impact big and he’s not it

I just watched this game of his. I hate to say it but this kid is a major project.

I know he is a year young so I am sure there is still good upside but from this footage he plays slow which leads to many fouls, doesn't play good post defense, isn't assertive on offense, and a pretty non-factor with rebounding even though he was at least 3 inches taller than the next player on the court.

I would say 91% of the yard said the same damn thing about Carlton too.

And people on here STILL hate on Brimah.

Javonte Brown Ferguson has everything you look for in a dominant C in 3 years. Carlton has 2 years left plus what we get from Akok, Springs and a TALL Tyler Polley. I’m sitting with my feet up regardless of which big we snag...Danny’s hitting close to 1.000 so far, and I am more than impressed.

 

[Kenny11]

Cardwell looks better in every way plus it’s not like he’s a finished product and can’t get better. He’s young too lol.

But this is based off very limited amount of film/highlight videos. But that’s all we have so I really don’t see a problem using it to make some BY judgements as long as we acknowledge that we could be wrong.

 

[Road2Six]

I would say 91% of the yard said the same damn thing about Carlton too.

And people on here STILL hate on Brimah.

Javonte Brown Ferguson has everything you look for in a dominant C in 3 years. Carlton has 2 years left plus what we get from Akok, Springs and a TALL Tyler Polley. I’m sitting with my feet up regardless of which big we snag...Danny’s hitting close to 1.000 so far, and I am more than impressed.

Carlton had a good foundation of footwork to build off of. This kid just has height. As one boneyarder wrote he looks like Bambi on ice. He can barely get off the ground, just too much work IMO to be a starter 3 seasons from now. I’d be fine with a back up role but that means we still need to find a big to take the reigns from josh

 

[kansashusky]

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Not much of an update but gives a little bit of Hurley's insight to bigs currently. He believes they can be top 15 next year.

 

[businesslawyer]

as long as we acknowledge that we could be wrong.

Boy, you must be new here.

 

[Kenny11]

Staff going 4 deep to Canada for Ferguson means Hurley really wants him and he thinks he can be special.

 

[Road2Six]

Staff going 4 deep to Canada for Ferguson means Hurley really wants him and he thinks he can be special.

I hope I’m wrong. They clearly see potential in him. Or they just want to lock in a big that badly so that Kofi doesn’t happen again. If they can get a commitment from him or Cardwell, they could go HARD at a top big next year and not worry as much if we miss.

 

[ctchamps]

Carlton had a good foundation of footwork to build off of. This kid just has height. As one boneyarder wrote he looks like Bambi on ice. He can barely get off the ground, just too much work IMO to be a starter 3 seasons from now. I’d be fine with a back up role but that means we still need to find a big to take the reigns from josh

I wonder why he thinks it was 91%. Couldn’t be more than 89%.

Carlton knew the game, had good hands and knew how to keep the basket ball above his head in addition to good footwork. He just needed to get stronger.

Brimah was a savant blocker. He struggled to learn the footwork necessary on offense. He struggled to learn the reflexive reactions of when to block and when to rebound. He never learned how to hold his arms in a manner to avoid fouls when boxing out.

With that said he was obviously a perfect complementary player for that championship team.

Recruitment is not always a science. The brainiacs in The Boneyard make comments sometimes that all the coaches have to do is wave their magic wands and they get the next Bill Russell.

It is rare even among five star players to have a player who is good if not great in every facet of his position. Furthermore if a coach recruits two players whom he believes will complement one another but only gets one frequently the alternative player does not offer a complementary set of skills.

 

[navery12]

That’s great and all, but who knows why other teams are offering. Maybe they want a serviceable 4 year backup big. And maybe that’s what Hurley and Co. see in him as well if we can’t land a Cliff type. But eventually once josh is gone we need an impact big and he’s not it

Sure he could end up not working out. But no coach is going around recruiting players hoping they turn into mediocre backups, and I don't think that applies here at all

 

[NJHusky]

Don't forget that DH was a HS coach for 9 years. He might have different view as to how kids develop...especially big men.

 

[Candyman]

That’s great and all, but who knows why other teams are offering. Maybe they want a serviceable 4 year backup big. And maybe that’s what Hurley and Co. see in him as well if we can’t land a Cliff type. But eventually once josh is gone we need an impact big and he’s not it

Kansas and Arizona don't recruit kids to be back ups for 4 years.

 

[ctchamps]

Don't forget that DH was a HS coach for 9 years. He might have different view as to how kids develop...especially big men.

And a basketball assist from a good staff. Who is the lead coach in this recruitment?

 

[Com'rGordon]

Would rather have Cardwell personally, but first to commit is fine