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Jalen Adams haters where you at?

Kathy said:
Under the circumstances he played with - losing seasons, major injuries, losing players, coaching changes - he stayed and did all he could for this University. All-Time Husky status isn't all about stats, wins and losses. It is about your loyalty and dedication esp when times are tough.
I use the same criteria for all time fans - when people turn off a game because we're losing that's not being an all time fan - that is fair weather fan and in my view that doesn't cut it.
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Where do you rank him as an all-time Husky? Olander stayed through the turmoil and won 2 championships, I think he did all he could for the University but he isn't high on my all-time list.

I'm even more curious now after your last post about Jalen and Caron.
 
Excalibur said:
Yes, and it's pretty easy to tell the difference. There's been plenty of both here as it pertains to Adams.
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Yeahhhhh, not so easy. Unless you are talking about stuff like "he is too much of a perfectionist".
 
Engineer90 said:
Yeahhhhh, not so easy. Unless you are talking about stuff like "he is too much of a perfectionist".
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I'd call B.S. on you and leave it at that, but

(after a poor game) "That was his A game. He's just not that good"
"He's improved at one thing -- lazy passes over the middle that get picked off"
"(we are better) with Adams not playing at all" -- how'd that one work out?

We've had posters say straight up that they wish he were not here.
 
Excalibur said:
I'd call B.S. on you and leave it at that, but

(after a poor game) "That was his A game. He's just not that good"
"He's improved at one thing -- lazy passes over the middle that get picked off"
"(we are better) with Adams not playing at all" -- how'd that one work out?

We've had posters say straight up that they wish he were not here.
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There’s been much worse said in since-deleted threads as well.
 
superjohn said:
Where do you rank him as an all-time Husky? Olander stayed through the turmoil and won 2 championships, I think he did all he could for the University but he isn't high on my all-time list.

I'm even more curious now after your last post about Jalen and Caron.
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Just had to go and drag (the great?) Tyler Olander's name through the mud, didn't you? Remember, 2>1 and that 1 is in the HOF.
 
Deepster said:
It's funny. There are haters and then there are people on the complete other end of the spectrum who anoint a guy like Adams as one of the best all time Huskies because of a decent game.
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I didn't say he's one of the best all-time huskies. I don't see anyone in this thread saying that or 'anointing' him. So I'm not really sure what your point is.

The simple fact is this... Jalen is very wrongly maligned here on the boneyard because he's had to deal with awful circumstances and a down-turn in the program. From piss-poor coaching to lack of talent around him due to chronically injured teammates, transfers, etc... Jalen has endured a lot.

Could he have conducted himself better, been a better leader, and played better in certain games? Sure. But the vitriol he's received here was undeserved for a kid who dedicated 4 years to this university.

I know we all feel the program was in a terrible state during his time here, but try to comprehend how much WORSE it would have been if he decided to leave at any time. He didn't leave.

I think seeing the team without Jalen opened some eyes to how little talent he had around him. Everyone should gain some appreciation for the kid, what he brings to the table, and his dedication for sticking around. Instead, certain posters here love to concentrate on the negative things that happened during his time in the program. In reality, he's a good kid and a very talented player, but the deck was stacked against him and he was dealt a bad hand.
 
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UChusky916 said:
I didn't say he's one of the best all-time huskies. I don't see anyone in this thread saying that or 'anointing' him. So I'm not really sure what your point is.

The simple fact is this... Jalen is very wrongly maligned here on the boneyard because he's had to deal with awful circumstances and a down-turn in the program. From piss-poor coaching to lack of talent around him due to chronically injured teammates, transfers, etc... Jalen has endured a lot.

Could he have conducted himself better, been a better leader, and played better in certain games? Sure. But the vitriol he's received here was undeserved for a kid who dedicated 4 years to this university.

I know we all feel the program was in a terrible state during his time here, but try to comprehend how much WORSE it would be if he had decided to leave at any time. He didn't leave.

I think seeing the team without Jalen opened some eyes to how little talent he had around him. Everyone should gain some appreciation for the kid, what he brings to the table, and his dedication for sticking around. Instead, certain posters here love to concentrate on the negative things that happened in the program while he was here, when in reality, he's a good kid and the deck was stacked against him.
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This x1000.
Take notes, strawmen. And haters. Exam tomorrow.
 
Excalibur said:
I'd call B.S. on you and leave it at that, but

(after a poor game) "That was his A game. He's just not that good"
"He's improved at one thing -- lazy passes over the middle that get picked off"
"(we are better) with Adams not playing at all" -- how'd that one work out?

We've had posters say straight up that they wish he were not here.
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Sure, you can point to extremes but what about the more subtle criticisms? I have seen people get jumped on for some tame stuff. For example, let's talk about the ECU win. Turns out that the winning margin is exactly what the Sagarin power ratings would have predicted. That prediction is based on power ratings which are a reflection of the entire season to date, including all of the games Adams missed. The team didn't suddenly play way better with Adams. It was pretty similar to what we have seen all year, with and without him. Am I saying we play better without him? No. I am saying we were about the same. We appeared to be playing a little worse without him but not by much. So I guess I am saying that we are not much better with him. Does THAT make me a hater? You will probably say no, now, but that is because you want to be right on this debate. If I said it immediately after the ECU game, I would have gotten roasted for it. I will throw another thing out there. Just before the start of the season we started to get some reports on how players were doing with the new trainer. Some of those reports were not glowing. Jalen was one guy who did not show up in better condition than he was at the end of last season. Does it make one a hater to question his off-season dedication to improving his body?
 
Engineer90 said:
Turns out that the winning margin is exactly what the Sagarin power ratings would have predicted. That prediction is based on power ratings which are a reflection of the entire season to date, including all of the games Adams missed. The team didn't suddenly play way better with Adams. It was pretty similar to what we have seen all year, with and without him. Am I saying we play better without him? No. I am saying we were about the same.
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Sagarin is not the be all/end all. We notched our first road win on the season. A bunch of individual players looked better. The team play looked better.

And no, I'm not overly excited about beating ECU. They stink. But it's nice to see the guys actually play team basketball.


We appeared to be playing a little worse without him but not by much. So I guess I am saying that we are not much better with him. Does THAT make me a hater?
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I mean, we were 1-7 without him. And looked like a mess. How is that about the same?

Watching those 8 games, it's quite clear we are a substantially better team with Jalen. We simply don't have enough weapons without him.

If we didn't have Jalen, we probably would have lost by 10.
 
UChusky916 said:
I didn't say he's one of the best all-time huskies. I don't see anyone in this thread saying that or 'anointing' him. So I'm not really sure what your point is.

The simple fact is this... Jalen is very wrongly maligned here on the boneyard because he's had to deal with awful circumstances and a down-turn in the program. From piss-poor coaching to lack of talent around him due to chronically injured teammates, transfers, etc... Jalen has endured a lot.

Could he have conducted himself better, been a better leader, and played better in certain games? Sure. But the vitriol he's received here was undeserved for a kid who dedicated 4 years to this university.

I know we all feel the program was in a terrible state during his time here, but try to comprehend how much WORSE it would have been if he decided to leave at any time. He didn't leave.

I think seeing the team without Jalen opened some eyes to how little talent he had around him. Everyone should gain some appreciation for the kid, what he brings to the table, and his dedication for sticking around. Instead, certain posters here love to concentrate on the negative things that happened during his time in the program. In reality, he's a good kid and a very talented player, but the deck was stacked against him and he was dealt a bad hand.
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The fact that this thread exists is continued apologists overrating him and his contributions to the program. He had a good game against a really bad team. And even you just said "Could he have conducted himself better, been a better leader, and played better in certain games? Sure."

So I'm a hater if I say the same thing?
 
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Excalibur said:
There's been plenty of hate for Adams on this board, and in the stands at games. Just because you weren't doing it doesn't mean others weren't.
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Yeah. Don’t pretend there wasn’t.

Bottom line, Jalen was one of the most loyal huskies ever, if we’re being honest, to his own detriment.

I still think he’s one of our most talented guys ever, it just didn’t work out for him, for a lot of reasons.
 
Deepster said:
The fact that this thread exists is continued apologists overrating him and his contributions to the program. He had a good game against a really bad team. And even you just said "Could he have conducted himself better, been a better leader, and played better in certain games? Sure."

So I'm a hater if I say the same thing?
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No, that doesn't qualify for being a hater. That's being objective and realistic. Posters can criticize a player while also being respectful.

Certain posters here have made outrageous claims and lies about his character and talent-level -- some claiming we'd be "better off without him." Others have been downright disrespectful, referring to him as a "cancer" to the team and the program. Those people are haters.

In reality, he's a good kid, a talented player, and he was loyal to the program. He didn't live up to expectations or his potential, but it wasn't entirely his fault when you look at his situation and the (lack of) talent around him. Like I said earlier - the deck was stacked against him and he was dealt a bad hand (or 4 straight bad hands).
 
superjohn said:
Where do you rank him as an all-time Husky? Olander stayed through the turmoil and won 2 championships, I think he did all he could for the University but he isn't high on my all-time list.

I'm even more curious now after your last post about Jalen and Caron.
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I think the answer is Olander had no reason to leave before his senior year while Jalen had many but chose not to.
 
MuchoDogYears said:
I think the answer is Olander had no reason to leave before his senior year while Jalen had many but chose not to.
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What were Jalen's many reasons for leaving? Europe is always there, maybe lose 1 year of salary.

He loves the college life so that wasn't happening.
 
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