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JordyG said:
The back of the hand is often found at the front of revenge.
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Good one Jordy, I've never heard (read) that one before. I'll have to file it away for future use. :p
 
Couldn't agree more with Eric. Until all of the Tennessee personnel (Holly was there in 2007) who were connected with the shameful campaign to destroy UConn are gone from Knoxville I'll rejoice each and every time they lose a game...although an evil part of me hopes they momentarily right the ship, make it to the dance, and then get schooled by Geno on national television...again. With Maya and her mom in the stands.
 
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The thing about rivalries, is they have the ability to make you better - Chrissy and Martina are a perfect example. TN had a chance to flip the script with some sort of Parker follow up and didn't. They veered off course, morally and athletically. Boink! to them.
 
I tend to agree with the OP. I am old enough to remember men’s basketball from the era before the players so completely outgrew the dimensions of the court, when it was, frankly, a much more interesting and attractive game than it is today. It is for that very reason that I find the women’s game, and particularly the women’s college game, so appealing…in addition to which, as both parent and grandparent to folks of the female persuasion, I am heavily attracted to better gender distribution in amateur athletics.

Having said all that, any realist must confront the thin-ice environment upon which college athletics for women is based. Given that football is the only entity that floats the boat for virtually all AD’s budgets, there exist only a very limited number of programs that are willing to devote meaningful resources to WCBB and who demonstrate any ongoing commitment to achieving elite status. Additionally, the available talent pool, or the pool of athletically-inclined young women, is dwarfed by similar pools on the men’s side, one more reason why most women’s teams play in ¾ empty arenas. Therefore, any program that drops out of that elite category is a real blow to the game that we all love…even if it’s, God forbid, named Tennessee.

I well-understand the historical basis for all the Tenn-hatred that exists on our Board, though, frankly, in my eyes, it’s just a reflection of a now bygone era that no longer merits the energy that some devote to it…but that’s just me. Much more fun, in my opinion, to now hate ND! But I don’t think we can realistically hope, in today’s fiscal environment, for the emergence of dozens of women’s programs that will commit sufficiently to WCBB, or to women’s athletics in general, to have the same kinds of intense regional rivalries and packed arenas that we see in the men’s game. UCLA, in the post-Wooden era, could suffer a decline, but a MULTITUDE of other programs were out there to pick up the slack. I think that the most we can realistically hope for is the continued existence of a more limited number of national-profile women’s programs that, if only by tradition alone, will not abandon the commitment to women they have made. U Tenn is one of those, and so I agree that what we’ve witnessed really does qualify as a blow to our fragile game.
 
Gus Mahler said:
I'd like to see UConn meet TN in the second round of the tournament. A 45-point demolition would suit me just fine. Say, 93-48.
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No way Tennessee could stay within 45 points. Texas couldn't in last year's sweet 16 game. Tennessee doesn't score as many points as our AAC opponents, and we routinely blow them out by 50-60 points and that's with calling off the dogs.
 
Gus Mahler said:
I'd like to see UConn meet TN in the second round of the tournament. A 45-point demolition would suit me just fine. Say, 93-48.
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How about in the 1st round with Tenn as a 16 seed?!! :eek:
 
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HoopsFan21 said:
No way Tennessee could stay within 45 points. Texas couldn't in last year's sweet 16 game. Tennessee doesn't score as many points as our AAC opponents, and we routinely blow them out by 50-60 points and that's with calling off the dogs.
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OK, well, pick a number, I guess. I think Geno would go out of his way NOT to run up the score because it would make him look bad, like he was being vindictive. Keep in mind the current TN roster has no players remotely involved in the rivalry, and that he recruited some of them, at least for a while.
 
At this rate they will not make the tournament. They are presently 9th in the SEC.
 
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Gus Mahler said:
I'd like to see UConn meet TN in the second round of the tournament. A 45-point demolition would suit me just fine. Say, 93-48.
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Is there any way to give you 10 likes for this post (20 if you said 100-24)
 
Icebear said:
At this rate they will not make the tournament. They are presently 9th in the SEC.
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At the beginning of conference play I predicted that UT would finish 18-11 or 17-12 overall and 9-7 or 8-8 in conference. I think that's looking more likely all the time, but sadly, it won't be dismal enough to keep them from the tournament, especially when you look at UT's current #13 ranking on the NCAA RPI.

Not to digress, but do the people responsible for the NCAA RPI ranking even watch basketball? You'd think somebody who's actually watched some games would look at the ranking and ask themselves, "what's wrong with our analysis that we could produce an RPI so seemingly out of whack with reality"?
 
TENNESSEE IS NOT A TOP 25 TEAM ANYMORE.SUMMIT IS GONE AND THE TEAM IS JUST HANGING ON PATS COATTAILS.IF THEY AREIN THIS WEEKS POLLS THEN THE POLLS ARE FIXED!
 
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HuskyNan said:
No, we're angry, outraged, insulted, mortified for Maya, Mayas mom, Sue and Diana, indignant, resentful, furious, annoyed and affronted. Any or all of the above. I hope the Tin Foil Hat Brigade, especially the Captain, are living in misery because of their team.
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With the happiness and unparalleled success she has achieved in her life, our magnificent Maya has gotten the last laugh, in spades.
 
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JordyG said:
But more importantly, wouldn't we all like to see the day when UT is #1 or 2 with UCONN and we beat them for the championship again. And again. And again? That is my dream, and it's all for the betterment of the sport. And of course the kind of satisfaction in crushing UT that can't be had any other way.
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Not at all. I'd like to see the day when Tennessee is #201 or 202 and they consistently lose in the first round of the SEC tournament every year.
 
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Very good get, Shenandoah! That is one of the all-time classic rants. Meanwhile, over on VN, there is growing speculation that Holly's lack of success, especially in recruiting, may be due, at least in part, to her "lifestyle" (or sometimes "life style"}, and yes, that is exactly what they mean. And this is the "moderate" UT fanboard! What may be going on over on Maria's board one can only imagine! If recruits and their parents and advisers read fan boards, and I am sure that they do, a quick read through the posts on VN ought to dispel any notion any of them may have had about "coming to UT and helping to restore the program to greatness". It is truly, as Nan observed the other day, a hot mess, and getting worse all the time.

On a more amusing note, several posters over yonder have started hoping NOT to make the dance, because of the probable embarrassment of getting massacred on the national stage. One poster mentioned what a bummer it would be to get to the dance and be wiped out by Ball State, to which another replied, correctly, that if they get to the dance they will BE Ball State! (If any relatively new BYers don't understand the allusion, I am sure that someone will be happy to elucidate.)
 
Bigpetunia said:
I tend to agree with the OP. I am old enough to remember men’s basketball from the era before the players so completely outgrew the dimensions of the court, when it was, frankly, a much more interesting and attractive game than it is today. It is for that very reason that I find the women’s game, and particularly the women’s college game, so appealing…in addition to which, as both parent and grandparent to folks of the female persuasion, I am heavily attracted to better gender distribution in amateur athletics.

Having said all that, any realist must confront the thin-ice environment upon which college athletics for women is based. Given that football is the only entity that floats the boat for virtually all AD’s budgets, there exist only a very limited number of programs that are willing to devote meaningful resources to WCBB and who demonstrate any ongoing commitment to achieving elite status. Additionally, the available talent pool, or the pool of athletically-inclined young women, is dwarfed by similar pools on the men’s side, one more reason why most women’s teams play in ¾ empty arenas. Therefore, any program that drops out of that elite category is a real blow to the game that we all love…even if it’s, God forbid, named Tennessee.

I well-understand the historical basis for all the Tenn-hatred that exists on our Board, though, frankly, in my eyes, it’s just a reflection of a now bygone era that no longer merits the energy that some devote to it…but that’s just me. Much more fun, in my opinion, to now hate ND! But I don’t think we can realistically hope, in today’s fiscal environment, for the emergence of dozens of women’s programs that will commit sufficiently to WCBB, or to women’s athletics in general, to have the same kinds of intense regional rivalries and packed arenas that we see in the men’s game. UCLA, in the post-Wooden era, could suffer a decline, but a MULTITUDE of other programs were out there to pick up the slack. I think that the most we can realistically hope for is the continued existence of a more limited number of national-profile women’s programs that, if only by tradition alone, will not abandon the commitment to women they have made. U Tenn is one of those, and so I agree that what we’ve witnessed really does qualify as a blow to our fragile game.
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Very nice -
I'll just demur a little on your middle paragraph - I am pleasantly surprised at the number of schools that have stepped up over the past 15 years and devoted serious resources to WCBB. While FB and MCBB carry the can in terms of financial resources, WCBB has become sort of a showcase sport for a lot of schools - it may just be an affirmative action kind of move so they can point and say 'see we take this stuff seriously', but whatever works - it is real. Coaching salaries have exploded - not FB or MBB wise, but the number of WCBB coaches who have total deals over $1M, and more particularly over $500K is a significant indication of that reality. Seeing one school drop is not good, but it isn't what it would have been 20 years ago.
 
HuskyNan said:
No, we're angry, outraged, insulted, mortified for Maya, Mayas mom, Sue and Diana, indignant, resentful, furious, annoyed and affronted. Any or all of the above. I hope the Tin Foil Hat Brigade, especially the Captain, are living in misery because of their team.
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Late with my comment, but wow, this is bang on..... The noise from the south has always pointed fingers at others..... and offered explanations for happenings which have been anything other than what they are..... Injuries, the refs, etc for the micro, ..... Maya situation, Wendy's, other allegations, etc.... for the macro..... Pat was an angel who was not capable of doing anything wrong.... Geno is many things, including things which would not be tolerated or printed on this board if we said the same about anyone at Tenn.

I had not liked at all some of Pat's maneuvers, though I never said a mean spirited thing about her..... Holly's lifestyle, what does that have to do with anything? ... and she, by all accounts is an upstanding citizen and a good person.....

The 2 things i would say, one being a subset of the other, are.... Tennessee's situation it finds itself in now is 100% due to the choice it made for it's head coach following Holly.... Holly looks like a lost soul out there coaching..... it seems she doesn't know what to do.... and it is so, so obvious. And I have said that from day 1, though I have tried to be polite.... Robin could not have taken over for Batman. He had a different skill set.....

And related to this...... the fallout is on the players, and they are the ones I do have compassion for..... one assumes when one choose to play for the Lady Vols..... there is a modicum of panache..... prestige at playing for a storied program..... a future WNBA career?..... a good coaching staff to get you there ..... but it is.....at least now a false floor..... I feel badly for them, for they have poor guidance.....

And I also wonder whether Diamond is at all a positive force for the LVs..... low shooting percentage.. attitude which is perhaps poor, at least indifferent .... going from body language..... low assists (shocker) and high turnover rate..... if take her points and net out the turnovers and lost opportunities, how good is she..... I see a reprise of Meghan Simmons.....
 
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