Is the AAC even P6?

[zls44]

And, as Aresco said...

"I expect that they will help drive up attendance when they play on the road in the conference. They have not only a national following, but with Naval bases worldwide, they bring a global audience to the AAC."

And then they put them in the Western division, ensuring they come to the Rent as often as USC.

 

[Zissou]

Can't find the story; but, there was a report that stated that only 20 to 30 D1 atheltic programs are self-sufficent, i.e. don't use student funds and/or general university revenue to cover the costs of all sport programs. I am prettty sure that Ohio St and Texas were included as 2 of those programs.

I’m sure that’s true for covering the whole athletic dept, but many football programs cover their own costs.

 

[Zissou]

But...what would UConn have to offer the AAC as a sweetner...

If UConn fan thinks there is a value proposition for the ACC, that should also hold true for the AAC. A good following, the NE market, a share of the NYC market, some historical success...

Would Aresco want to go into TV negotiations, that are football based and built on his P6 campaign, while losing UConn football? There is a deal that could be done.

 

[06029]

If UConn fan thinks there is a value proposition for the ACC, that should also hold true for the AAC. A good following, the NE market, a share of the NYC market, some historical success...

Would Aresco want to go into TV negotiations, that are football based and built on his P6 campaign, while losing UConn football? There is a deal that could be done.

Time to hire you as the advisor to Uconn and get that deal done. I'm sure you are willing to work on a contingency basis, right? The NYC market assumption is probably the one thing everyone has the most data on and if Uconn was moving the needle significantly in FB in that market, then I think things would be different. I think they have more impact in NYC in BB because of heir long history and memorable games in MSG.

 

[Zissou]

The NYC market assumption is probably the one thing everyone has the most data on and if Uconn was moving the needle significantly in FB in that market, then I think things would be different. I think they have more impact in NYC in BB because of heir long history and memorable games in MSG.

I agree the UConn hoops has more NYC impact than their football.

The AAC values football at 80-90% of the TV deal and hoops 10-20%.

On a fictitious 10 point scale let’s say UConn has a “4” impact with football and an “8” impact with hoops. Football is still more important if you value it at 90% of the TV deal.

With hoops UConn not only brings its own fan base, but other fan bases tend to watch other conference foes. Johnnies fans will dial in more UConn games if UConn was in conference.

I almost never dial in WVU, Pitt, Rutgers, or Ville games now that they are out of conference.

 

[billybud]

I do think there would be more interest for UConn against old BE foes....but giving up football is the only way to get there...

And it would be a permanent relegation to the shallow pool.

Where the puddle is shallow, the weak fish stay
To drift along with the current's flow ;
To take the tide as it moves each day
With the idle ripples that come and go ;

With a shrinking fear of the gales that blow
By distant coasts where the Great Ports gleam;
Where the far heights call through the silver glow,
"Only the gamefish swims upstream."

 

[Zissou]

but giving up football is the only way to get there...

You sound so certain

 

[billybud]

Yes..I am...dropping football or going full Massachusetts (which would be an ultimate failure) is the only way that UConn would be able to join the BE.

 

[gtcam]

The AAC would never allow UConn to go football only - they want UConn MBB, WBB, Baseball and Mens Soccer.
The Big East has UConn's perennial powerhouse - UConn Field Hockey

 

[Zissou]

The AAC would never allow UConn to go football only

See Navy

 

[metsfan2323]

See Navy

Please go away with this stupid argument. "See Navy", See the door if can't see the difference between UCONN basketball and Navy basketball. Are you on the Navy board asking their basketball team to join your league? If not then you answered your own question as to why the AAC would allow Navy to join with football and not basketball. The AAC didn't want Navy's basketball team but they do want UCONN's basketball team.

 

[dayooper]

See Navy

I hate to say it, but football is Navy’s strong suit. They are a national name. There are people that will go out of their way to watch Navy even they weren’t in the Navy. UConn football doesn’t have that following. The AAC won’t keep UConn football without the basketball. There is nothing you could say that would change my mind on the matter.

 

[06029]

I hate to say it, but football is Navy’s strong suit. They are a national name. There are people that will go out of their way to watch Navy even they weren’t in the Navy. UConn football doesn’t have that following. The AAC won’t keep UConn football without the basketball. There is nothing you could say that would change my mind on the matter.

You don't understand. He says all you have to do is ask and negotiate. Be forward thinking. It could happen if Uconn only tried to make it happen. See Navy.

I just saved him the time to post a response.

 

[06029]

Navy was given football only membership by the Big East and that carried over into the AAC after it was formed in what would have been their first season in the Big East. At the time, Navy was the nationally known football program for the AAC. It still is the nationally known program for football. While UCF has had the most success, it struggles for national recognition. If Navy had a 13-0 record, do you think they would have more serious consideration nationwide than UCF for the playoff (remember that would include a win over ND)? That is the difference between USNA and Uconn when it comes to football.

 

[billybud]

Not a bad strategy..

I'd rank it right behind throwing a coin in a fountain and making a wish.

 

[Adios]

You don't understand. He says all you have to do is ask and negotiate. Be forward thinking. It could happen if Uconn only tried to make it happen. See Navy.

I just saved him the time to post a response.

While all the other AAC schools don't make a move?

Please. Why is this thread still alive?

 

[DarthGrumpy]

If Navy had a 13-0 record, do you think they would have more serious consideration nationwide than UCF for the playoff (remember that would include a win over ND)? That is the difference between USNA and UConn when it comes to football.

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Now's a dream scenario. Navy goes undefeated with wins over a strong ND team and solid UCF, Houston, etc. The selection committee would collectively have a heart attack as not inviting Navy would appease the powers that be in the P5 (except ND as the Irish are very loyal to Navy); but, Navy in the playoffs would be a heck of a story line and saying no to a service academy them would result in serious public relations and political fallout.

 

[uconnell]

We must leave for the Big East, we have no hope. I mean, even after all the drama and football program having a bad run, ACC fans thinks our pros outweigh the cons by far as a future expansion candidate.

Conference Expansion: Analyzing Which Schools Could End Up Joining the ACC?

We really have no hope.

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With respect to Title XI, football is the killer due to its size in terms of number of scholarships and the fact that there isn't a complementary women's program. When UConn upgraded its football program, both Women's Crew and Women's Law, both of which were club teams at the time, got bumped up to Varsity status. Neither program can go anywhere as long as UConn has a FBS football program.

I would see families / friends who had family members who went to both schools and

And then they put them in the Western division, ensuring they come to the Rent as often as USC.

I believe that was Navy’s doing. They wanted more games in the Midwest and West to showcase their team and get kids interested in the school.

 

[Zissou]

Not a bad strategy..

I'd rank it right behind throwing a coin in a fountain and making a wish.

I'd rank it right ahead of wishing for a P5 invite.

 

[billybud]

The AAC is still not a one trick pony.

There is absolutely no chance that the Big East will be relevant in anything but basketball and tiddley winks.

The BIg East is kind of like Brigadoon...it comes alive occasionally in the month of March and then disappers into the mist.

 

[Adios]

I'd rank it right ahead of wishing for a P5 invite.

Uh, like, that's your opinion...dude.

 

[dayooper]

I'd rank it right ahead of wishing for a P5 invite.

Yet You think that the AAC would accept UConn in football only? Because Navy does? That’s fantasy as well.

Just waiting until you make that one mistake and Fishy thoat punches your arse out of here.

 

[dayooper]

Uh, like, that's your opinion...dude.

Thanks for quoting the movie correctly. There are those here that don’t.

 

[billybud]

Uh, like, that's your opinion...dude.

Ahhhh....another ordained member of the Church of the Latter Day Dude.

 

[Zissou]

Yet You think that the AAC would accept UConn in football only? Because Navy does?

No, I don't think the AAC would accept UConn for football-only because Navy accepts UConn for football-only. That doesn't really make sense.

I do think that the AAC has a precedent for accepting football-only membership (see Navy).

I also believe that is more likely that UConn could successfully negotiate football-only with the AAC than it is that UConn will be invited to a P5 conference.

I also think UConn's chances of a P5 invite are not diminished, however remote they might be, by AAC football-only membership plus full Big East membership.

 

[dayooper]

No, I don't think the AAC would accept UConn for football-only because Navy accepts UConn for football-only. That doesn't really make sense.

I do think that the AAC has a precedent for accepting football-only membership (see Navy).

I also believe that is more likely that UConn could successfully negotiate football-only with the AAC than it is that UConn will be invited to a P5 conference.

I also think UConn's chances of a P5 invite are not diminished, however remote they might be, by AAC football-only membership plus full Big East membership.

So, by your logic, the AAC would accept any football only school because they set the precedent with Navy.

Yes, I typed the above very quickly and not clearly. I apologize for that. Instead of Navy does, it should be “because Navy is?”

 

[Adios]

Thanks for quoting the movie correctly. There are those here that don’t.

Don't watch TV or movies.

 

[Zissou]

So, by your logic, the AAC would accept any football only school because they set the precedent with Navy.”

No, I think the negotiation for UConn is possible with or without precedent for a football-only membership, but it is more probable with that Navy precedent.

 

[billybud]

We all like to gather wool entertaining fantasy....

Whether it be a fantasy like Texas going to the ACC or the AAC allowing UConn to move their most valuable programs elsewhere but leave football in conference, it's entertaining, but not much else.

 

[djct1999]

We all like to gather wool entertaining fantasy....

Whether it be a fantasy like Texas going to the ACC or the AAC allowing UConn to move their most valuable programs elsewhere but leave football in conference, it's entertaining, but not much else.

So to is this ACC Network ever becoming more than a money drain. ESPN is doomed here and they know it.