Irish fan on why UConn belongs in the ACC

[NickyNewark]

I don't know. 4 states have ACC overlap with SEC. Both Miami and FSU kicked Florida's arse and do so often. Louisville kicked Kentucky's arse. Lately Clemson's had issues with South Carolina, but the last 25 years of head to head is dominated by Clemson. Georgia Tech has a problem. They are second fiddle to Georgia in Georgia, but that's the only one.

I saw tons of empty seats in Happy Valley the past couple of years, and I saw one Illinois game on TV this year and was shocked at the empty seats. As for empty ACC stadiums, you must have watched a Maryland game in College Park.

L'ville kicked Ky's arse but Kentucky still owns the state and probably more of L'ville than L'ville?

 

[NickyNewark]

bstimpy, I get the feeling that if the ACC had invited Boise St you'd be here talking up the attributes of the potato and the importance of starchy carbohydrates in giving ACC schools a competitive advantage, that their addition provides a gateway to the west and northwest opening recruiting pipelines in California, and that it's a top 300 nursing school.

Hard to believe how some here are just figuring this guy (stimpster) out? I had him pegged as a smart azzed looney after a couple of CR posts....ACC apologist and propagandist !?! He's since been exposed with little to no credibility. Consistent is all I can say.

 

[NickyNewark]

Nicky, 2 and 22 is actually the Rutgers series record with Penn State. Syracuse's series record with Penn State is 23-41-5 in favor of Penn State, and from 1950 to 1970 it was 11-10 in favor of Syracuse.

2-22 is a whipping boy situation. Yes, but not anything to do with Syracuse. The UVA Penn State series record of 3-5 in favor of Penn State looks better than 2-22, and we're not even rivals.

Think I dont know that stimpy? We were discussing SU's so called rivalry!! There u go again making sure u slip ur anti RU agenda in!?! You're soo transparently biased.We all here in the NE know RU's record againt big brother PSU but SU would have u think they had a modicum of success against there "rival".

 

[NickyNewark]

I don't know. 4 states have ACC overlap with SEC. Both Miami and FSU kicked Florida's arse and do so often. Louisville kicked Kentucky's arse. Lately Clemson's had issues with South Carolina, but the last 25 years of head to head is dominated by Clemson. Georgia Tech has a problem. They are second fiddle to Georgia in Georgia, but that's the only one.

I saw tons of empty seats in Happy Valley the past couple of years, and I saw one Illinois game on TV this year and was shocked at the empty seats. As for empty ACC stadiums, you must have watched a Maryland game in College Park.

Illinois? You must mean the "U" of Miami were in 1 game 300 hundred was the photographed attendence.

 

[uconndogs]

Well, we'll just agree to disagree. I view JC's relationship with Uconn to be very strained in their parting. I think he had bigtime" trouble " with his former employer and for quite awhile, until the school and he finally had to sever their relationship. Heck, he'd stll be at Uconn if he had his way, as we all should be able to agree that he misses coaching. How do we know this ? Because he said he misses coaching thats why. So " yes " I do think JC had " trouble with the school " and the school for their part certainly had " trouble " in his off the court stuff as well. Otherwise, they'd have kept him on board, and let him go out on his terms in retirement, not theirs, and not on a time frame they essentially dictated to him... ye

The people I most distrust and refuse to hold discourse with are those that make it up as they go along and then believe their own bulls**t. It's called pathological and I'm pretty sure that's what is going on here. Life's too short.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

I don't think they are even ranked in the top 60. Yes. Stinks. In the ACC, they are in the bottom 5 out of 15.

Stimpy, why be such a tool when you don't have to be? You have a such great story to tell about ACC academics that you shouldn't feel the need to engage in obfuscation and likely mendacity.

Obfuscation - Maryland is in the bottom 5 of the ACC's 15 programs.
A clearer picture can be gleaned from the facts that Maryland ranked #62 in US New ratings. But so did Clemson, Syracuse, and Pitt. That four-way tie meant there were actually 7 teams in your bottom 5. Stated differently, 8 of the ACC's 15 were ranked above Maryland. Your "tie goes to the loser" methodology makes the Terps look like bottom feeders when they're more like middle-of-the-pack players.

Likely Mendacity - "I don't think they are even ranked in the top 60."
Stimpy, Stimpy, Stimpy...what are we going to do with you? You don't think...? The fact that there may be more than a grain of truth in those first three words means the fib doesn't lie there. No, Stimp, you didn't THINK Maryland was ranked outside the top 60, you KNEW. How else were you so precise? People don't come that close to the bulls-eye when they're just flinging crap against the wall. OK, there's a remote chance you could have been winging it to a degree but when you add in your "bottom 5" point, there's just no way you could have been guessing. Maryland, Clemson, Pitt, and Cuse all with the same ranking and you didn't know what it was? Strains credulity my (likely) mendacious friend, strains credulity.

 

[btstimpy]

Illinois? You must mean the "U" of Miami were in 1 game 300 hundred was the photographed attendence.

Miami and Pittsburgh are in major cities and share stadiums with NFL teams in case you didn't notice. It has been a trend that some no longer like, i.e. Tulane. Miami's and Pittsburgh's stadiums weren't sized for those schools, but they give each a quality place to play. Miami's attendance is around 40000 to 45000. I don't have an issue with their using those stadiums, and most of the Big Ten would be swallowed in them too.

 

[upstater]

Miami and Pittsburgh are in major cities and share stadiums with NFL teams in case you didn't notice. It has been a trend that some no longer like, i.e. Tulane. Miami's and Pittsburgh's stadiums weren't sized for those schools, but they give each a quality place to play. Miami's attendance is around 40000 to 45000. I don't have an issue with their using those stadiums, and most of the Big Ten would be swallowed in them too.

Some of their fans come disguised as seats.

 

[btstimpy]

Stimpy, why be such a tool when you don't have to be? You have a such great story to tell about ACC academics that you shouldn't feel the need to engage in obfuscation and likely mendacity.

Obfuscation - Maryland is in the bottom 5 of the ACC's 15 programs.
A clearer picture can be gleaned from the facts that Maryland ranked #62 in US New ratings. But so did Clemson, Syracuse, and Pitt. That four-way tie meant there were actually 7 teams in your bottom 5. Stated differently, 8 of the ACC's 15 were ranked above Maryland. Your "tie goes to the loser" methodology makes the Terps look like bottom feeders when they're more like middle-of-the-pack players.

Likely Mendacity - "I don't think they are even ranked in the top 60."
Stimpy, Stimpy, Stimpy...what are we going to do with you? You don't think...? The fact that there may be more than a grain of truth in those first three words means the fib doesn't lie there. No, Stimp, you didn't THINK Maryland was ranked outside the top 60, you KNEW. How else were you so precise? People don't come that close to the bulls-eye when they're just flinging crap against the wall. OK, there's a remote chance you could have been winging it to a degree but when you add in your "bottom 5" point, there's just no way you could have been guessing. Maryland, Clemson, Pitt, and Cuse all with the same ranking and you didn't know what it was? Strains credulity my (likely) mendacious friend, strains credulity.

People here want to keep talking about Louisville academics. I'm not impressed with Louisville academics. I'm not impressed with Maryland academics either. And Yale wasn't available. Then I would be impressed. I don't spend much time at all looking at the academic rankings past 50. I glance through it. I thought Syracuse and Pitt were in the top 60. They have been. Maybe they dropped some in 2014. We keep going over the same ground here. There are several threads on it.

 

[btstimpy]

tons of empty seats in Happy Valley? You must be using a magnifying glass if 90+G fannies is "empty" to you!?! Even AFTER the scandal! The only states the ACC may own are NC/Va.....not even Fla with 2 programs do they "own".You are nothing if not delusionally consistent.

Yes. About 90000 to 95000. The last time UVA played in that stadium there were 109,000 people there. Be hopefull that Rutgers can draw 109,000 to it on its big splash.

 

[MSNDfan]

Miami and Pittsburgh are in major cities and share stadiums with NFL teams in case you didn't notice. It has been a trend that some no longer like, i.e. Tulane. Miami's and Pittsburgh's stadiums weren't sized for those schools, but they give each a quality place to play. Miami's attendance is around 40000 to 45000. I don't have an issue with their using those stadiums, and most of the Big Ten would be swallowed in them too.

But the BUG is 2nd to the SEC in average attendance. That is not something that UConn should be boasting about. Adding Maryland and Rutgers will drop BUG attendance on average. And as proud as the old guard is about having led the nation in that category for about 50 years, it is unlikely they will want to add a school like UConn that plasy in a 40,000 seat stadium..

And now that I think about it, how many national titles in football has that large attendance helped the BUG win since 1970? 2.

In that same time frame how many national titles have been won by teams in the ACC? 5.

I think that suggests that ACC football is 2 and a half times stronger than BUG football.

We've got our work cut out for us playing 5 ACC games per year.

 

[SubbaBub]

But the BUG is 2nd to the SEC in average attendance. That is not something that UConn should be boasting about. Adding Maryland and Rutgers will drop BUG attendance on average. And as proud as the old guard is about having led the nation in that category for about 50 years, it is unlikely they will want to add a school like UConn that plasy in a 40,000 seat stadium..

And now that I think about it, how many national titles in football has that large attendance helped the BUG win since 1970? 2.

In that same time frame how many national titles have been won by teams in the ACC? 5.

I think that suggests that ACC football is 2 and a half times stronger than BUG football.

We've got our work cut out for us playing 5 ACC games per year.

Stop just stop. FSU finally turned it around. Or, do we need to discuss Clemson giving up 70 again. The ACC as a FB conference still stinks.

Also, we don't care about SEC attendance unless they are willing to play in Hartford, which they're not.

 

[MSNDfan]

Stop just stop. FSU finally turned it around. Or, do we need to discuss Clemson giving up 70 again. The ACC as a FB conference still stinks.

Also, we don't care about SEC attendance unless they are willing to play in Hartford, which they're not.

Well, if ACC football stinks with 5 national titles back to 1970, what is BUG football with only 2?

And if Clemson is awful forever getting plastered in a bowl, what does it say about the BUG that the team that totally owned the conference for 2 years (o regular season losses in 2 seasons) lost a bowl to Clemson? Undefeated for 2 years vs the BUG - 0-1 vs the ACC.

It would be foolish to claim ACC football as equal to SEC football. It is also foolish to think BUG football is better than ACC football.

 

[SubbaBub]

Well, if ACC football stinks with 5 national titles back to 1970, what is BUG football with only 2?

And if Clemson is awful forever getting plastered in a bowl, what does it say about the BUG that the team that totally owned the conference for 2 years (o regular season losses in 2 seasons) lost a bowl to Clemson? Undefeated for 2 years vs the BUG - 0-1 vs the ACC.

It would be foolish to claim ACC football as equal to SEC football. It is also foolish to think BUG football is better than ACC football.

By ACC you mean FSU, right? You certainly can't use Miami they are a BE team, I guess now its AAC.

Since 1970 (why you'd pick that but whatever it your dime) the ACC has won exactly 1 consensus MNC that wasn't won by FSU, Clemson in 1981. No GT's 1990 UPI poll win doesn't count.

Word to the wise, real ND fans don't debase themselves discussing conference strength. It's in the handbook. So, I'd take your BC loving ass elsewhere before you piss them off.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

People here want to keep talking about Louisville academics. I'm not impressed with Louisville academics. I'm not impressed with Maryland academics either. And Yale wasn't available. Then I would be impressed. I don't spend much time at all looking at the academic rankings past 50. I glance through it. I thought Syracuse and Pitt were in the top 60. They have been. Maybe they dropped some in 2014. We keep going over the same ground here. There are several threads on it.

Just because I might not be impressed by the plumbing systems of either Waterbury or Calcutta doesn't mean that, were I forced to choose, I'd be indifferent to the selection. Let's say UVa were presented an offer they couldn't refuse, say a gift of a hundred billion dollars if they downgraded their academics to either Maryland's or Louisville's level. Let's not pretend you'd be as happy swapping for Louisville's #161 as you would for Maryland's #62.

 

[NickyNewark]

Miami and Pittsburgh are in major cities and share stadiums with NFL teams in case you didn't notice. It has been a trend that some no longer like, i.e. Tulane. Miami's and Pittsburgh's stadiums weren't sized for those schools, but they give each a quality place to play. Miami's attendance is around 40000 to 45000. I don't have an issue with their using those stadiums, and most of the Big Ten would be swallowed in them too.

Stimp,Im starting to see crack's in you're unflappable "wall" lol...obsession will get to you eventually...relax and try to enjoy life after all you're in heaven(ACC) right?

 

[NickyNewark]

Yes. About 90000 to 95000. The last time UVA played in that stadium there were 109,000 people there. Be hopefull that Rutgers can draw 109,000 to it on its big splash.

I assume you're meaning it was UVa who brought the fans?lol...I don't know why we bother talking with one who knows ALL the answers? Is there anything else you can educate us on?

 

[NickyNewark]

Well, if ACC football stinks with 5 national titles back to 1970, what is BUG football with only 2?

And if Clemson is awful forever getting plastered in a bowl, what does it say about the BUG that the team that totally owned the conference for 2 years (o regular season losses in 2 seasons) lost a bowl to Clemson? Undefeated for 2 years vs the BUG - 0-1 vs the ACC.

It would be foolish to claim ACC football as equal to SEC football. It is also foolish to think BUG football is better than ACC football.

Why do you always go back there? Still butthurt because of the old "jilt" lol.You're obsessed with the B1G instead of the All-cupcake?

 

[NickyNewark]

Well, if ACC football stinks with 5 national titles back to 1970, what is BUG football with only 2?

And if Clemson is awful forever getting plastered in a bowl, what does it say about the BUG that the team that totally owned the conference for 2 years (o regular season losses in 2 seasons) lost a bowl to Clemson? Undefeated for 2 years vs the BUG - 0-1 vs the ACC.

It would be foolish to claim ACC football as equal to SEC football. It is also foolish to think BUG football is better than ACC football.

Again,you mean FSU and the dwarfs? The B1G top to bottom is better as was the OBE of recent vintage to those being honest.

 

[NickyNewark]

Hoew

Yes. About 90000 to 95000. The last time UVA played in that stadium there were 109,000 people there. Be hopefull that Rutgers can draw 109,000 to it on its big splash.

How many times do I have to tell you? Nobody here OR in the NE cares about UVa FB. In Va its all about the Hokies in NorthernVa and Md/DC the cav's are an afterthought even more so than Cuse FB in NYC metro!!

 

[Yawkey Way]

[quote="btstimpy, post: 936914, . Both Miami and FSU kicked Florida's arse and do so often. k.[/quote]
I don't know about this. Florida is in a transitional stage in coaching there, and FSU has temporarily step into this void by getting Jumbo after Dadgummit retired there. Miami under Golden has been a disappointment from what was expected there.. good, but he recruited better than his record there, imo.

 

[Yawkey Way]

People here want to keep talking about Louisville academics. I'm not impressed with Louisville academics. .

Me neither. But one look at the league alignments and there is no coorelation whatsover to " academics ". Among any of these leagues. The only schools that make " academics " a consideration for invites ( and exclusions ) are the Ivies and the Little Ivies and so forth. The old BE brought in WVU football, ( bad academics ), and expelled Temple football ( good academics ). Duke is in a league with NC State, Vanderbilt is in the SEC with Miss. State, Northwestern in a league with Mich. State, Stanford in a league with Ariz. State, and so forth. So a school's "academics ", and " grad rates " etc is neither an attribute nor a drawback to a school's postiion in all these leagues. Its all exclusively driven my financial considerations, and " academics" is wholly a non factor in these decisions.

 

[SAMCRO]

I saw tons of empty seats in Happy Valley the past couple of years, and I saw one Illinois game on TV this year and was shocked at the empty seats. As for empty ACC stadiums, you must have watched a Maryland game in College Park.

Speaking of empty seats.....

 

[Yawkey Way]

The line of his that perplexed me was when he said Miami has been kicking Florida's butt. This is the same Florida that was a scourge of college football and had multiple championships in this decade, while Miami has been doing nothing but lose (a lot) for a decade and also has been plagued by scandal after scandal. It really boggles the mind.

I agree. Florida football is in transition. They are located in Florida, and they play in the SEC.. the best college football league top to bottom by far in college football. Miami Hurricanes have been clearly on overall disappointment there after hiring Golden Boy who was supposed to bring this program back to national stature. They might still get it done there yet with the Miami Hurricanes, but the recent trend lines there, both on and off the field, is not what the Miami folks there wanted by now.

 

[SAMCRO]

I saw tons of empty seats in Happy Valley the past couple of years, and I saw one Illinois game on TV this year and was shocked at the empty seats. As for empty ACC stadiums, you must have watched a Maryland game in College Park.

And here come your Miami Hurricanes..... UConn struggles getting butts in seat at kickoff, but.....

 

[SAMCRO]

Let's Go Deacons..clap, clap, clapclapclap.

 

[Yawkey Way]

And here come your Miami Hurricanes..... UConn struggles getting butts in seat at kickoff, but.....

Miami has always stuggled with attendance, even in the years they were kicking butt at the national level. Its a Pro Sports loving town, and with its changing demographics, Soccer is growing in popularity there in this City, not football or basketball.

 

[MSNDfan]

Here is a little interesting set of attendance facts. The BeeOneGee has held 3 football championship games. The attendances are 61, 152 (2011), 41, 260 (2012), and 66, 002 (2013).

The numbers for the ACC championship games the same seasons: 73, 675 (2011), 64, 778 (2012), and 67, 694 (2013).

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[btstimpy]

The line of his that perplexed me was when he said Miami has been kicking Florida's butt. This is the same Florida that was a scourge of college football and had multiple championships in this decade, while Miami has been doing nothing but lose (a lot) for a decade and also has been plagued by scandal after scandal. It really boggles the mind.

Miami's record all time against the Florida Gators is 29-26 in favor of the Miami Hurricanes, and since 1978 it is 12-4 in favor of Miami including a 21-16 butt whipping in 2013 that wasn't as close as the score. Yes. The same Miami Hurricanes kicking the Florida Gators butt 75% of the time they play each other. My comment is in response to Nicky calling that second fiddle. I don't think a 25% winning percentage is first fiddle in anything. Nicky might. I don't.

 

[StevieDude]

Here is a little interesting set of attendance facts. The BeeOneGee has held 3 football championship games. The attendances are 61, 152 (2011), 41, 260 (2012), and 66, 002 (2013).

The numbers for the ACC championship games the same seasons: 73, 675 (2011), 64, 778 (2012), and 67, 694 (2013).

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other link

Can we see pictures of the stadiums? Because a few posts up is a picture of the BCU/VT ACC championship game which had announced attendance of 53K so forgive if I trust the number the ACC puts out.