UMD has loads of fans or alumni who just didn't go to games. Or stopped going. But UMD still provides a decent reach into the south in recruiting.Here is the funniest thing about ACC football attendanceI have ever seen. We Irish fans love to poke at BC. Not the way you poke at an equal rival but the way you poke down at the hopelessly silly little brother. Two years ago we were having a good time about BC's 2-10 team. Just epically bad.
And then as part of my gathering info to toss at BC fans to rub in as much salt as I could find, I saw the list for football average attendance for the ACC. BC was bad, below 40,000, around 37,000. But here is what is so funny I forgot about making fun of BC for having few fans. Maryland averaged fewer fans per game than BC.
So Maryland with 45,000 students averaged fewer fans per game than did little BC, with an awful 2-10 team.
Maryland has been central to the lack of fans attending ACC games. Well, the lack is only relative to the SEC and the BUG. But anyway, Maryland has been a bottom feeder in football attendance. So how does Maryland going to the BUG make the BUG seem brilliantly run while the ACC replacing Maryland with a school with more football fans than Maryland makes the ACC leadership seem weak?
NotreDameJoe said:The BUG had to keep PSU happy so they wouldn't defect to the ACC. Hence Delaney grabbed their contiguous old rivals Rutgers and Maryland (the latter had one of their placed as President).
Same reasoning with the ACC keeping FSU happy so they wouldn't bolt for the Big12.
I agree with this actually. I 've never met a BC fan in my life that considers Uconn a rival in anything. Football drives the financial bus in college sports, not basketball. Uconn has never beaten BC in football... ever. Not even back when you signed up for the Continental Army. Umass and Villanova have beaten BC more than Uconn has in football. BC sees their rivalry as ND ( although ND thinks about BC football about as as much as Uconn football fans think about Umass football ) BC is 13-9 vs. ND in football, most games very competitive, close in the series. But now with Syracuse accepted into the ACC, BC and Syracuse will be annual football rivals in the ACC it appears . Both football programs go back together a lot of years in football in the BE, and before.. Uconn ? if things break just right they'll be off to the Big, ( where it appears the vast majority of UCONN fans here want to be ) where Rutgers most likely will become Uconn's annual football rival moving forward. Rutgers and Uconn ( unlike ND, BC, Syracuse ) are state Public Univ, not Privates. Lots of commonality there, and similar football programs as well to make for a decent future football rivalry, imo.. UConn once won 27 straight games against BC and people are telling us we have a rivalry. No, that's not one.
Alabama once beat Tennessee 11 straight years in fooball. Only a person utterly ignorant of college football would say the game was no longer rivalry at the end of the 11 years.That's right. I wasn't even born in the 50s. What are we going to discuss next here. Nicky's numbers about the so-called rivalry are telling. If you're constantly losing, that's not a rivalry. UConn once won 27 straight games against BC and people are telling us we have a rivalry. No, that's not one.
If PSU was never really going to leave, it was bluffing the BUG. And if it was bluffing, then the BUG got outfoxed and played by PSU.This is a myth. PSU was never going anywhere. Yes, some never warmed to the Big Ten and more were pissed at the lack of conference support vs. the NCAA, but they weren't even the slightest threat to be kicked out or leave.
RU and MD were about getting the BTN in NY/NJ and Balt/DC. Period. Everything else was a secondary consideration or less.
don't be a fool. UConn football in its first 10 years of relevanc has already had better seasons than BC football during that time frame.I agree with this actually. I 've never met a BC fan in my life that considers Uconn a rival in anything. Football drives the financial bus in college sports, not basketball. Uconn has never beaten BC in football... ever. Not even back when you signed up for the Continental Army. Umass and Villanova have beaten BC more than Uconn has in football. BC sees their rivalry as ND ( although ND thinks about BC football about as as much as Uconn football fans think about Umass football ) BC is 13-9 vs. ND in football, most games very competitive, close in the series. But now with Syracuse accepted into the ACC, BC and Syracuse will be annual football rivals in the ACC it appears. Uconn ? if things break right they'll be off to the Big, where Rutgers most likely will be their football rival moving forward.
After all, a word like B1G is certainly as mature and sensible as that symbol Prince once called himself.Why are we even bothering with a guy who does not have the mental maturity to refer to the B1G, Ohio State, or Michigan without calling them a name a ten year old wouldn't even laugh at?
SAMCRO said:So you're telling me the BE schools had no animosity towards ND over the past 10 years? Honestly? As for bowls meaning less, I believe they'll mean the same as years past to everyone save the 4 (last year 2) schools not playing for the NC.
Feel free to type out "Big Ten"...After all, a word like B1G is certainly as mature and sensible as that symbol Prince once called himself.
I don't think it is fear. I think BC was so furious about UConn and the state of Connecticut's actions that it wanted just to separate completely.don't be a fool. UConn football in its first 10 years of relevanc has already had better seasons than BC football during that time frame.
There is no rivalry because BC won't allow it out of fear.
I think all of them have been to NCAA men's and women's postseason play much more often than Rutgers in the past 50 years as well as bowl games. And Maryland and Louisville both stink academically. I'm not sure of your point there.
I agree with this actually. I 've never met a BC fan in my life that considers Uconn a rival in anything. Football drives the financial bus in college sports, not basketball. Uconn has never beaten BC in football... ever. Not even back when you signed up for the Continental Army. Umass and Villanova have beaten BC more than Uconn has in football. BC sees their rivalry as ND ( although ND thinks about BC football about as as much as Uconn football fans think about Umass football ) BC is 13-9 vs. ND in football, most games very competitive, close in the series. But now with Syracuse accepted into the ACC, BC and Syracuse will be annual football rivals in the ACC it appears . Both football programs go back together a lot of years in football in the BE, and before.. Uconn ? if things break just right they'll be off to the Big, ( where it appears the vast majority of UCONN fans here want to be ) where Rutgers most likely will become Uconn's annual football rival moving forward. Rutgers and Uconn ( unlike ND, BC, Syracuse ) are state Public Univ, not Privates. Lots of commonality there, and similar football programs as well to make for a decent future football rivalry, imo.
MSNDfan said:I don't think it is fear. I think BC was so furious about UConn and the state of Connecticut's actions that it wanted just to separate completely.
With the then AD gone, and the coaches of both revenue sports then gone, it will all be washed under the bridge, but only if 1 thing happens. And that is UConn joins the ACC.
Unless UConn is in the ACC, BC football is going to see little value in playing UConn. BC needs to play away OOC games in states with large numbers of potential recruits.
I don't think it is fear. I think BC was so furious about UConn and the state of Connecticut's actions that it wanted just to separate completely.
With the then AD gone, and the coaches of both revenue sports then gone, it will all be washed under the bridge, but only if 1 thing happens. And that is UConn joins the ACC.
Unless UConn is in the ACC, BC football is going to see little value in playing UConn. BC needs to play away OOC games in states with large numbers of potential recruits.
Alabama once beat Tennessee 11 straight years in fooball. Only a person utterly ignorant of college football would say the game was no longer rivalry at the end of the 11 years.
if Penn State were playing Pitt and Syracuse annually, both games would be huge rivalries for Penn State, its two most important ones.
don't be a fool. UConn football in its first 10 years of relevanc has already had better seasons than BC football during that time frame.
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You couldn't be more off about this.
Bob Ryan reported in 2003 that BC feared that UConn would do to it in football what happened in basketball. The AD and President were explicit that this was about turf. And no, it wasn't washed under the bridge with the new AD, because the new AD presented BC's renewed argument about UConn encroaching on its footprint in an ACC meeting just last year. Duke and UNC's presidents were incredulous.
This is all about fear.
Wow, man. You are hurting here. You beat UConn back when we had 30 scholarships. Congratulations. Meanwhile, you never finished higher than 3rd in football in the BE. Congrats on that too. As for football driving the financial bus, UConn does very well thank you, better than its old conference mates with football. Now tuck your tail and run.
BC a brick when UCONN stepped up its football program and UCONN built a competitive and respectable program in about 8 seconds. The potential for UCONN football and athletics when placed on level conference footing far surpasses anything that BC can possibly bring to the table. BC athletics are a mess and Bates has a huge job on his hands. Recent BBHC hire is certainly inspiring (that is sarcasm btw).
Looks to me like that strategy is working as BC apparently ( from what I've read on here from Uconn posters ) has enormous clout and political muscle power with the founders of the ACC to get the southern schools to capitulate to BC and keep Uconn out of the ACC ( and maybe, who knows,, BC has significant political power with Michigan, Ohio State in the BIG too to keep the Big from inviting Uconn, too.. oh sure ). BC could have " fear" who knows, but its paranoia to think that BC has so much power and influence around the leagues that its BC's fault that the phones at Uconn arn't ringing from other leagues for an invite. If you want to make BC a school with political muscle power with all the other schools in these leagues on all this, so be it. But Com.on Man, don't do this to yourself. BC probably is protecting what it sees as" its turf"... New England isn't exactly a hotbed of football recruit talent to tap into, lets be honest here .. and Uconn admissions has the capacity to take in football recuits that would never get thru adissions at BC. BC afterall did make the financial investment to all this well before Uconn did too. Is BC to blame as well for Uconn's slowness to invest as BC did ? Uconn appears to have perhaps waited too long. I have no doubt whatsoever either that if the situation was reversed, that Uconn football would do the same thing to protect its self interests both on the field and off the field as well, as they would have invested and staked out their claim early to the " turf " as well. Its like the land rush in Oklahoma. You leave early, get out there, plant your flag first, and that " turf " is yours, and the others were just too damn slow to get out of the gate.. and that stretch of " turf " will be protected by shotgun by you then if it has to be.
BC football would be playing Uconn in football in the BE now, if it was not for Miami. BC , a charter school Founding member of the BE, voted " yes " for Uconn's admittance, including football, into the BE. BC tried for years to convince unhappy Miami to stay. But once Miami had had enough of the basketball people running the BE, Miami decided to leave and go to the ACC. BC saw this as a mortal blow to the BE, and quickly decided to join Miami in its quest to leave the BE... Uconn football had nothing to do with BC electing to follow Miami to the ACC, but Blumenthal thought so, and launched his ill advised lwasuit against BC, and the others in the ACC, including the ACC Commish. As it turns out, BC was right.. with the loss of MIAMI football, the BE would fall apart. But if Miami had stayed, BC was going to be playing Uconn in the BE if that league stayed together, and BC knew this when they voted to accept Uconn into the BE... but the bolting of Miami, the lawsuit, the acrimony flying out of Uconn, the last football game played in Hartford, etc changed everything, and so thats where we're at todayBC a brick when UCONN stepped up its football program and UCONN built a competitive and respectable program in about 8 seconds. The potential for UCONN football and athletics when placed on level conference footing far surpasses anything that BC can possibly bring to the table. BC athletics are a mess and Bates has a huge job on his hands. Recent BBHC hire is certainly inspiring (that is sarcasm btw).
BC a brick when UCONN stepped up its football program and UCONN built a competitive and respectable program in about 8 seconds. The potential for UCONN football and athletics when placed on level conference footing far surpasses anything that BC can possibly bring to the table. BC athletics are a mess and Bates has a huge job on his hands. Recent BBHC hire is certainly inspiring (that is sarcasm btw).