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uconnphil2016 said:
Edsall is in a near impossible situation in that he's pitching a school who hasn't been competitive for nearly a decade and isn't in fertile recruiting ground like UCF, USF, SMU, and Houston. If he can be a good enough evaluator to make this group into a 7 win bunch, then we can build on it and get better recruits in the future.
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Agreed.
But again, according to Whaler he’s bringing in a bunch of misfits and rag tags. That’s where all of his experience and productivity with evaluating college players has led him
 
UConn is in a very tough spot. They are recruiting players to come to a perceived lesser conference against opponents who are all situated in far better recruiting areas than themselves. Edsall is going to have to prove that he can win with these types of players before the higher rated ones will show interest. There are very few kids that hold multiple offers that are going to choose UConn as it is currently presented. That isn't a slam its reality.

Every school is going to sell playing time, pro potential, education, facilities etc. At the end of the day these kids were in elementary school the last time UConn fielded a nationally competitive program. In the meantime they have watched any number of MAC, MWC, and AAC Schools perform at high levels and go to bowls. At this point trusting Edsall knows what he's doing is the only thing you can do.
 
Exit 4 said:
So the recruiting agencies have bias - that's old news - but is it a coincidence that we have been finishing in the bottom 3 of the AAC recruiting wise every year thus far which matches our on field performance? No. The services on average have some validity.

Where the recruiting services tend to make the most egregious mistakes i) is overrating kids based on their junior year and failing to drop the kid down based on their senior year (they never drop a kids rating even when its pretty clear they over shot the first time (Bemiy) or ii) when they elevate a kid for the subscriber base (Rigiani) after ignoring the kid prior to said offer. Both of those tend to happen on the fringe, leaving the big picture somewhat accurate.

So will RE 2.0 blow up the star system by elevating us to a 7 or 8 win team while continuing to score at the bottom of the league by the recruiting services? Well- we are poised to find out between now and 2021.
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It's the coaching. Pasqualoni took a team with 1o future NFL players and couldn't produce a winning record.

Darn few of these kids had P5 (or P6 at the time). Once you get past the four and five stars, it's a cr#pshoot. Heck, we wer all excited when we got a Florida four star WR. is career was very poor.

Kendall Reyes
Blidi Wilson
Yawin Smallwoood
Shamar Stephen
Sio Moore
Dwayne Gratz
Ryan Griffin
Trevardo Williams
Nick Williams
Kashif Moore
 
whaler11 said:
The allocation of talent isn’t perfect therefore there is no difference in anyone’s class.

Plus Tom Brady got picked in the 6th round.

Sounds like it’s going to work.
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Depends on how you define working. I doubt Randy thinks this class is a 10 win class, but we dont have the cache to recruit a class like that to begin with. All we need is to build from where we are now. Can this class do that? I think we can. If RE is one thing, it's that he's a good talent evaluator. No one is good enough to totally transcend rating systems, but I do believe RE is good enough to build a team that looks better on the field than on Rivals. When RE1 built the team up, it was a slow and methodical process. Hopefully that's what we're seeing here
 
Palatine said:
Darn few of these kids had P5 (or P6 at the time). Once you get past the four and five stars, it's a cr#pshoot. Heck, we wer all excited when we got a Florida four star WR. is career was very poor.
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Because every highly rated kid we ever picked up was a misfire by the recruiting services....there was a reason that highly rated kid landed here and not elsewhere. The services over rate some of the kids based on their junior years and never correct it thereafter. When the kids with stars don't get P5 offers their senior years you know what just happened....overrated. The services are more right than wrong, but there are certain situations to look out for like the highly rated kid who suddenly has few suitors to match the rating....that was Difton and some others like Jerrell Miller.
 
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You guys have to remember RE's late bloomer philosophy. The big FBS programs grab their guys after the players Junior seasons. By the fall those programs are almost completely filled up. Randy has always focused on the guys that developed as Seniors and we have found quite a few guys over the years that didn't have any D1 offers but ended up playing on Sundays....some of those guys even started out as walk-ons. RE has pushed for an early signing period because many times we've found late bloomers with no offers and a top 25 program has swooped in at the last minute and stolen a guy who's only D1A offer was from UConn.

My problem with RE 1.0 was his offensive philosophy and his inability to recruit QBs. I never doubted his ability to find a diamond in the rough. Sure I would have liked to have seen more guys with 3 and 4 stars but frankly all of the guys we got who were ranked that high never worked out. I think he's solved the QB and offensive philosophy issues so lets see how these guys work out instead of getting hung up on who offered.
 
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LRock34 said:
You guys have to remember RE's late bloomer philosophy. The big FBS programs grab their guys after the players Junior seasons. By the fall those programs are almost completely filled up. Randy has always focused on the guys that developed as Seniors and we have found quite a few guys over the years that didn't have any D1 offers but ended up playing on Sundays....some of those guys even started out as walk-ons. RE has pushed for an early signing period because many times we've found late bloomers with no offers and a top 25 program has swooped in at the last minute and stolen a guy who's only D1A offer was from UConn.

My problem with RE 1.0 was his offensive philosophy and his inability to recruit QBs. I never doubted his ability to find a diamond in the rough. Sure I would have liked to have seen more guys with 3 and 4 stars but frankly all of the guys we got who were ranked that high never worked out. I think he's solved the QB and offensive philosophy issues so lets see how these guys work out instead of getting hung up on who offered.
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I love reading sensible posts devoid of a jaded tinge or cynicism.
I don’t believe this will magically turn around in a year because the great RE has returned. I believe it will slowly rebound and the look of the team will be different and resemble more like team’s past.
Patience.
These seem like good kids that will work hard and give everything they have on Saturdays. The wins will come as long as that remains a constant
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Not to mention the explosion of social media. Twitter was only created in 2006. The whole recruiting cottage industry is built on hoodwinking people who pay subscription rates. UConn never had a high subscription rate on Rivals (because most of us are smart) and because of this, Farrell didn’t put a whole lot of effort into evaluating these kids or putting together accurate offer lists.

Baffling why people follow this stuff as close as they do.
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I agree that Rivals didn't put much effort into UConn recruiting and kids weren't rated. But, if kids UConn recruited had BCS/P5 offers, why didn't the other school's BCS/P5 rivals site list the offer on the recruit's bio? It doesn't make sense.
 
HCRE threw a large net as do most coaching staffs do in the beginning looking to see who is interested and who isn't.

He missed out on some players, but then again he hit on some players who in some people's opinion shouldn't be coming to Storrs like Krajewski, Jones, and Ofori-Nyadu
 
Hornet22 said:
And RE is a 7 figure guy who has tons of experience at this level and on Sundays.
I trust that. Seems like you don’t
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So was Diaco (minus Sundays).
 
The one thing no one can deny is that UConn has done a much better job recruiting quarterbacks since Edsall has been here. This is a new thing for him after RE.1
 
uconnbill said:
He missed out on some players, but then again he hit on some players who in some people's opinion shouldn't be coming to Storrs like Krajewski, Jones, and Ofori-Nyadu
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This is completely made up. Nobody has said such a thing.
 
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Stairmaster said:
So was Diaco (minus Sundays).
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One coaching on Sundays helps and two, RE has a proven track record of winning as a HC and not just winning but rebuilding a program. Not to mention he has a record of helping kids get to the next level. NFL scouts trust what RE has to say.
Perhaps experience coupled with a proven track record doesn’t much matter anymore.
 
I love the list of our 10 guys without major offers that are always ready to go in some posters holster.

Completely ignoring the fact that a program isn't sustained by a handful of success stories of under the radar players, but by accumulating enough talented depth across the roster to be better than .500 in conference play more than twice in our history.

I trust Randy, but man, can I get a guy with at least a Kent State or Toledo offer?
 
We won’t know if the class is any good for 2-3 Years, but the argument that the kids have no P5 offers is silly. 24/7 is the clear leader in this space and they don’t even have our commits right - u really believe they’re tracking all offers? Rivals was bad 5 years ago - and now its like a UHF channel anymore, so I expect nothing from them. In other words, the recruiting services allocate 90% of their resources to P5. Chill
 
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uconnphil2016 said:
Depends on how you define working. I doubt Randy thinks this class is a 10 win class, but we dont have the cache to recruit a class like that to begin with. All we need is to build from where we are now. Can this class do that? I think we can. If RE is one thing, it's that he's a good talent evaluator. No one is good enough to totally transcend rating systems, but I do believe RE is good enough to build a team that looks better on the field than on Rivals. When RE1 built the team up, it was a slow and methodical process. Hopefully that's what we're seeing here
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Two big differences

1. Edsall can’t sell a BCS conference
2. The geography and size this league ensures there are going to be 2-3 good teams every year.

I like Edsall as much as almost anyone.

You can take this to the bank: If they don’t start beating peer institutions for recruits they are going to be somewhere from bad to mediocre.

As much as I dislike the AAC there are schools that are trying to win in places awash with talent.
 
uconnphil2016 said:
Depends on how you define working. I doubt Randy thinks this class is a 10 win class, but we dont have the cache to recruit a class like that to begin with. All we need is to build from where we are now. Can this class do that? I think we can. If RE is one thing, it's that he's a good talent evaluator. No one is good enough to totally transcend rating systems, but I do believe RE is good enough to build a team that looks better on the field than on Rivals. When RE1 built the team up, it was a slow and methodical process. Hopefully that's what we're seeing here
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I was mocking the attitude here that offers don’t matter - not commenting on Edsall.

Brady getting picked in the 6th round is actually evidence the talent people know what they are doing. He went in the 6th round because he lost his job and showed up at the combine in terrible shape.

It was getting picked in the 6th round that turned him into Brady. Not that he was some player worthy of a first and everyone was too blind to see it.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I love the list of our 10 guys without major offers that are always ready to go in some posters holster.

Completely ignoring the fact that a program isn't sustained by a handful of success stories of under the radar players, but by accumulating enough talented depth across the roster to be better than .500 in conference play more than twice in our history.

I trust Randy, but man, can I get a guy with at least a Kent State or Toledo offer?
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Lol. Kent State or Toledo.

Those aren’t necessary validating offers either.
 
Hornet22 said:
Looks like every DB committed/signed this year are between 6-6’3.”
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That allows for flexibility in the 3-3-5 scheme as these guys develop physically under HCRE. It will give DCBC guys that with added size can walk up against the run and/or cover. It also helps disguise coverage and blitzes, because you have personnel that can line up in multiple positions making it more difficult for offenses to get a good pre-snap read.

FWIW, I like his film. I don’t care what his team did. He looks like a kid that could flourish here. He’s athletic, aggressive through contact, and can run. He also has a frame that could add 35-40lbs of muscle. He reminds me a little of Obi, but not as fast.
 
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whaler11 said:
Two big differences

1. Edsall can’t sell a BCS conference
2. The geography and size this league ensures there are going to be 2-3 good teams every year.

I like Edsall as much as almost anyone.

You can take this to the bank: If they don’t start beating peer institutions for recruits they are going to be somewhere from bad to mediocre.

As much as I dislike the AAC there are schools that are trying to win in places awash with talent.
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Can’t argue with most of these points.

Gotta win first and he’ll be able to compete with said peer institutions for recruits. To do that we must hope his initial two classes are full of those hidden gems that he can develop into solid players.

-Captain Obvious
 
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kris1 said:
That allows for flexibility in the 3-3-5 scheme as these guys develop physically under HCRE. It will give DCBC guys that with added size can walk up against the run and/or cover. It also helps disguise coverage and blitzes, because you have personnel that can line up in multiple positions making it more difficult for offenses to get a good pre-snap.

FWIW, I like his film. I don’t care what his team did. He looks like a kid that could flourish here. He’s athletic, aggressive through contact, and can run. He also has a frame that could add 35-40lbs of muscle. He reminds me a little of Obi, but not as fast.
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All of these DB’s look like they can/will add at least 20-25 lbs. all of them looked aggressive with some of them displaying multiple techniques I.e pedal, shuffle, off and press techniques. All of these things are great when you’re talking high school kids. None of them looked unathletic. They all displayed some sort of playmaking ability.
The LB’s looked the same. Ability to put on muscle mass and aggressive at the point of attack. Not much more you can ask for. Just gotta feed them and lock them up in the weight room. With those facilities, you can turn any serious athlete with a good foundation into a player.
Just my opinion.
 
Take one snippet of this ...

Most of the P5 and major recruiting AAC have 18-22 committed before the prospective rising season.

Edsall, absolutely, is dependent on Senior film - particularly on Linemen (offense & defense). I’m not saying the others - BC & Pitt & Syracuse & Rutgers - don’t do this. But Edsall expects his hypothesis on what kids he wants and what he evaluated includes the last testing 5-7 games before pouncing. The others? That’s like giving your Grade before the Final Exam.

Palatine just placed a great list in front of us. Edsall - we have to believe - can replicate that or do better.

Then ... Florida. Just different. And we are not going to smell what’s coming. Richardson knows the inside scoop from 25 years of relationships; he hasn’t batted 1000. But he’s gotten lots of solid DB talent.
 
whaler11 said:
Two big differences

1. Edsall can’t sell a BCS conference
2. The geography and size this league ensures there are going to be 2-3 good teams every year.

I like Edsall as much as almost anyone.

You can take this to the bank: If they don’t start beating peer institutions for recruits they are going to be somewhere from bad to mediocre.

As much as I dislike the AAC there are schools that are trying to win in places awash with talent.
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3. Edsall can't sell a chance to play for a National Championship, either.
 
zls44 said:
That's exactly where I am. I know Edsall can develop them up, especially on the D side, but man...and for every one guy who is a success who had only 1 offer, there's a dozen kids you never even think about who did NOT develop into solid players. Everyone always forgets that when they rush to talk about the one guy who works out.
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Nobody ever mentions Kevin Poles. Lightly recruited. Was the first commit of the class. Never contributed to anything more than special teams. By all accounts a good kid, not intending to bash the kid, but those are the facts.
 
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