In WTIC's "Dailey Recap" CD Expresses Disappointment...

[cardfan]

No offense cardfan...I didn't say Justin wasn't fair minded...just that her tendency is to take the contrary opinion...I think it is her personality. I am not saying that is good or bad just that in this case I think there may be more to the story regarding CD's comments. It isn't like CD runs all willy-nilly with her mouth very often. Finally, I respect your opinion but you have partisan loyalties and I prefer to trust my own eyes, those of all the posters here and what I know of CD's history.

my partisan eyes had a clearer view of the game in person.

 

[cferraro04]

my partisan eyes had a clearer view of the game in person.

That may be true and I defer to the fact that you were there and I wasn't but so was Chris Daly and Geno Auriemma...admittedly just as partisan as you and maybe moreso but then they do have a long history with our program for me to compare.

 

[RealHusky]

To tell you the truth, this is the play the bugged me. KML was going up for a rebound and was suddenly grabbed from behind and slammed to the floor. I loved CO's intensity - very Tina like. However, it was clear at the time and in the photo below that she mugged KML and was rewarded with a put back and a free throw.

I thought that the first half non-call on Stef was a bit of a gift but it pales in comparison to this call.

 

[speedoo]

Justin is a fair-minded person who knows a lot of bball, period. I was sitting pretty to the court and saw grabbing and pushing on both sides. I also saw the arm grab Phil described and thought it was going to be called, but I didn't think it was intentional.

How can an arm grab be anything but intentional?

 

[huskybill]

Putting your forearm out and clocking someone in the face/neck and flooring them.

I actually did watch critically -- and Stef got away with some great physicality. I was cool with that. Especially that obvious foul she committed in the first half that wasn't called.

I might have called an intentional and/or impeding foul (whatever that's officially called), but in the moment, I saw lunging for the ball and tangling up. Was it called?

'68 - could you use the word "punk" one more time? It's a lovely descriptive.

Given the events, it stretches credibility to suggest Dailey's comments were ambiguous and unfairly implicating every Cardinal. I do think she gets a little cranky at times; someone mentioned Auriemma hugged the same player (they have a history of fondness and good will); but no doubt she thought everyone knew who she was talking about.

I appreciate your comments, digger, and of course she's not implicating every Cardinal, but I have to wonder, why not simply say the player's name? Seems a tad disingenuous. If she no longer has any respect for a particular player, why not identify her? More to the point -- why say anything at all. Can you imagine is another coach said that about some unnamed UConn player?

 

[cardfan]

To tell you the truth, this is the play the bugged me. KML was going up for a rebound and was suddenly grabbed from behind and slammed to the floor. I loved CO's intensity - very Tina like. However, it was clear at the time and in the photo below that she mugged KML and was rewarded with a put back and a free throw.

I thought that the first half non-call on Stef was a bit of a gift but it pales in comparison to this call.

the non call on Dolson was huge because it would have been her 2nd foul, thus, sending her to the bench.

 

[cardfan]

How can an arm grab be anything but intentional?

I didn't see 'intent', grabs happen all the time.

 

[huskybill]

Darn, once again I must agree with ThisJustIn. It probably hurts me as much to say it as it hurts her to hear it. I thought UConn, especially Stef was about as rough as Stanford. Stef could have been called for 5 or 6 fouls. But so could many other players. The officials were choosing to let the rough stuff go, for the most part. And it seems that my solution, to have fans call out "DON'T LET THEM PLAY,' has not yet made it to the west coast. I'm not sure it's made it to the east coast yet either.

In any event, still a great win by the Huskies.

 

[cardfan]

I didn't see 'intent', grabs happen all the time.

like here:
http://www.stanfordphoto.com/viewphoto.php?&albumId=214610&imageId=6484889&page=2&imagepos=29

 

[speedoo]

like here:
http://www.stanfordphoto.com/viewphoto.php?&albumId=214610&imageId=6484889&page=2&imagepos=29

I don't see an arm grab in that pic. Just because KML's hand is touching 44's arm does not make it an arm grab.

 

[OneTrickPony]

My impression from watching the ESPNU broadcast was that the referees allowed a fairly physical game that didn't seem to get out of hand at any point. I'll admit I didn't see what Geno was reacting to when he got T'd up and will have to go back through the recording to see if there was a clothesline which I don't consider normal physical play.

I think Chiney gave and took a lot of contact in the game, and I wouldn't characterize anything I saw as labeling her anything but a player that adapts to how the referees are calling the game. That said, the grabbing on Breanna was a concession by Chiney and the other Stanford bigs that they can't guard a player that mobile all over the court. It's up to the referees to call those grabs, and Breanna needs to learn how to maintain her balance and fend off the grabs because she's going to see that a lot in her career. My respect for Chiney didn't go down here, but my respect for Breanna certainly went up...her presence on the court distorted Chiney's game substantially to the detriment of Stanford...and the supporting cast wasn't able to handle the athletes in the paint in her absence...I'd cite Kaleena's flying offensive rebound and acrobatic putback, while two Stanford players appear motionless on the play, as Exhibit A...

The CD comment implies that she saw something I didn't, so perhaps there was a dangerous play that was off camera or one I simply missed.

 

[earl the pearl]

Cheney?

I think so........

 

[cardfan]

My impression from watching the ESPNU broadcast was that the referees allowed a fairly physical game that didn't seem to get out of hand at any point. I'll admit I didn't see what Geno was reacting to when he got T'd up and will have to go back through the recording to see if there was a clothesline which I don't consider normal physical play.

I think Chiney gave and took a lot of contact in the game, and I wouldn't characterize anything I saw as labeling her anything but a player that adapts to how the referees are calling the game. That said, the grabbing on Breanna was a concession by Chiney and the other Stanford bigs that they can't guard a player that mobile all over the court. It's up to the referees to call those grabs, and Breanna needs to learn how to maintain her balance and fend off the grabs because she's going to see that a lot in her career. My respect for Chiney didn't go down here, but my respect for Breanna certainly went up...her presence on the court distorted Chiney's game substantially to the detriment of Stanford...and the supporting cast wasn't able to handle the athletes in the paint in her absence...I'd cite Kaleena's flying offensive rebound and acrobatic putback, while two Stanford players appear motionless on the play, as Exhibit A...

The CD comment implies that she saw something I didn't, so perhaps there was a dangerous play that was off camera or one I simply missed.

excellent post.

 

[earl the pearl]

To tell you the truth, this is the play the bugged me. KML was going up for a rebound and was suddenly grabbed from behind and slammed to the floor. I loved CO's intensity - very Tina like. However, it was clear at the time and in the photo below that she mugged KML and was rewarded with a put back and a free throw.

I thought that the first half non-call on Stef was a bit of a gift but it pales in comparison to this call.

I also thought this one was excessive and may have been the one CD was referring to.

 

[Icebear]

In this play, earl, Chiney had come over KML's back to get the ball and then threw KML to the ground with the linked arms before before Chiney controlled the ball. The totallity of the play was even worse than the moment pictured above.

 

[meyers7]

To tell you the truth, this is the play the bugged me. KML was going up for a rebound and was suddenly grabbed from behind and slammed to the floor. I loved CO's intensity - very Tina like. However, it was clear at the time and in the photo below that she mugged KML and was rewarded with a put back and a free throw.

I thought that the first half non-call on Stef was a bit of a gift but it pales in comparison to this call.

Yes I remember this one. Bad call by the refs on this one. And the one where Stewart was "clothes-lined" (around the neck/shoulder area) was the one Geno got a Technical for. Stewart was also grabbed on the arm on the breakaway and also once on a rebound (by CO that time). Stewart actually got beat up pretty good by the team that said they didn't want to play physical. That might have been what CD was upset with. ???

 

[freekimchee]

It was physical on both sides. Players from both teams got away with some. I didn't really see anything that would have made me mad.

 

[grizz36]

Playing in, and around, the post is not, and in the long glorious history of basketball, has ever been for the faint of heart. It is more like a demolition derby and it matters not who is playing and at what level the game is being played. It seems to me that many fainthearted people are posting in this thread. Meanwhile I will try to decide which nostril of my nose I will attempt to breathe through tonight after many breaks and look down at my feet through a slight permanent closure of my right eye to a funny looking misshape of my right ankle. Probably the frequent KO's made me become a bear. As the great Bill Russell once said that basketball was, indeed, a contact sport; Football is a collision sport.

 

[Biff]

Well stills don't always tell the story so here are the two video views from ESPNU of the rebound sequence.

One thing I have concluded, there was no foul committed by Breanna on Ogwumike's shot after the rebound.

 

[Fiftyish]

Well stills don't always tell the story so here are the two video views from ESPNU of the rebound sequence.

One thing I have concluded, there was no foul committed by Breanna on Ogwumike's shot after the rebound.

How does CO not get called for a foul?? Even more amazing she ends up getting "and 1" . One of worst calls I eve saw. Thanks for posting.

 

[pap49cba]

Check out Geno in the background... he immediately starts chirping at the ref on that side.

 

[OneTrickPony]

Well stills don't always tell the story so here are the two video views from ESPNU of the rebound sequence.

One thing I have concluded, there was no foul committed by Breanna on Ogwumike's shot after the rebound.

I agree with you, Biff...Stewart clearly avoids fouling Chiney on the play...an almost impossible bit of body control!

On the rebound between Kaleena and Chiney, Kaleena jumps to her right to get the rebound and she and Chiney meet at the apex of the jump. My take is that Chiney controlled the ball and Kaleena fell because Chiney was over her center of gravity with the ball and Kaleena was at an angle that made her unstable. I wouldn't call that a purposeful take down, just a hard play where the off-balance player couldn't stay vertical.

The lean Kaleena used is the same lean she employed on the shot she took where she went down and sustained her concussion in the paint. I commented on it in one of the threads. Our players...especially Breanna and Kaleena, have to be schooled on maintaining their center of balance within their feet...most especially in the lane were a fall can be much worse if it results in a collision with a large moving player.

An exemplar of perfect balance is Kelly...she routinely absorbs contact from much larger players but can maintain her feet because of her compact body position...

 

[CCinCT]

How does CO not get called for a foul?? Even more amazing she ends up getting "and 1" . One of worst calls I eve saw. Thanks for posting.

Right up there with June Corteau's call on the Taurasi block -

The ESPN shills (Burke and O'Brien) showed the replay several times, never mentioning the takedown of KML, just sucking up to Tara and Chiney. They did make a point earlier of emphasizing the non-call on Stef, "How is that not a foul !" "That was a foul !!!" "Wasn't that a foul, Rebecca ? "

Pretty soon we're going to find out it's another down year in WCBB.

 

[semper]

THAT is ridiculous...man, she threw her to the ground... and Stewie was clean...

 

[DobbsRover2]

Playing in, and around, the post is not, and in the long glorious history of basketball, has ever been for the faint of heart. It is more like a demolition derby and it matters not who is playing and at what level the game is being played. It seems to me that many fainthearted people are posting in this thread. Meanwhile I will try to decide which nostril of my nose I will attempt to breathe through tonight after many breaks and look down at my feet through a slight permanent closure of my right eye to a funny looking misshape of my right ankle. Probably the frequent KO's made me become a bear. As the great Bill Russell once said that basketball was, indeed, a contact sport; Football is a collision sport.

Considering the past history of these two teams, it li fairly likely that they could meet up again in April, so coaches are always looking to the future and trying to do a little bit of boundary setting for the next encounter and to remind their teams about some actions that can be fired up about. KML will remember that play in the next game.
Though post play is never for the faint of heart, it is also not for the chicken of whistle. Though nothing really crossed any egregious line yesterday, we can all remember a round house crusher to a nose that resulted from increasingly over-the-top post play between two then B12 teams a few years ago that the officials seemed to have no clue about or desire to control.

 

[speedoo]

Right up there with June Corteau's call on the Taurasi block -

The ESPN shills (Burke and O'Brien) showed the replay several times, never mentioning the takedown of KML, just sucking up to Tara and Chiney. They did make a point earlier of emphasizing the non-call on Stef, "How is that not a foul !" "That was a foul !!!" "Wasn't that a foul, Rebecca ? "

Pretty soon we're going to find out it's another down year in WCBB.

I've pretty much had it with O'Brien and Burke. They have become un-listenable.

 

[CCinCT]

I agree with you, Biff...Stewart clearly avoids fouling Chiney on the play...an almost impossible bit of body control!

On the rebound between Kaleena and Chiney, Kaleena jumps to her right to get the rebound and she and Chiney meet at the apex of the jump. My take is that Chiney controlled the ball and Kaleena fell because Chiney was over her center of gravity with the ball and Kaleena was at an angle that made her unstable. I wouldn't call that a purposeful take down, just a hard play where the off-balance player couldn't stay vertical.

The lean Kaleena used is the same lean she employed on the shot she took where she went down and sustained her concussion in the paint. I commented on it in one of the threads. Our players...especially Breanna and Kaleena, have to be schooled on maintaining their center of balance within their feet...most especially in the lane were a fall can be much worse if it results in a collision with a large moving player.

An exemplar of perfect balance is Kelly...she routinely absorbs contact from much larger players but can maintain her feet because of her compact body position...

KML fell because Chiney has her arm wrapped around KML's and yanks down with KML leaning backwards. Unless of course, some dastardly UCONN fan photoshopped the pic in RealHusky's post ?

 

[DobbsRover2]

I agree with you, Biff...Stewart clearly avoids fouling Chiney on the play...an almost impossible bit of body control!

On the rebound between Kaleena and Chiney, Kaleena jumps to her right to get the rebound and she and Chiney meet at the apex of the jump. My take is that Chiney controlled the ball and Kaleena fell because Chiney was over her center of gravity with the ball and Kaleena was at an angle that made her unstable. I wouldn't call that a purposeful take down, just a hard play where the off-balance player couldn't stay vertical.

The lean Kaleena used is the same lean she employed on the shot she took where she went down and sustained her concussion in the paint. I commented on it in one of the threads. Our players...especially Breanna and Kaleena, have to be schooled on maintaining their center of balance within their feet...most especially in the lane were a fall can be much worse if it results in a collision with a large moving player.

An exemplar of perfect balance is Kelly...she routinely absorbs contact from much larger players but can maintain her feet because of her compact body position...

Ah no. What you are avoiding mentioning is that though KML was on a bit of a lean, CO clearly levels the forearm on the forehead and drives KML downward to the floor. It's not dirty, it's just a blatantly hard foul. Saying basketball players have to learn to "keep their feet under them" is just silly. These players know quite well after many years of tough competition in the paint how to keep their balance or they wouldn't still be playing. The issue is when a player wants to be a little extra aggressive in going for a ball and puts an extra force into a vulnerable player who's extended while putting in the extra effort to corral a rebound. It's simple to undercut a player when they're up in the air or to throw them down when they're extended; it's another thing to reward them for it.

 

[OneTrickPony]

Ah no. What you are avoiding mentioning is that though KML was on a bit of a lean, CO clearly levels the forearm on the forehead and drives KML downward to the floor. It's not dirty, it's just a blatantly hard foul. Saying basketball players have to learn to "keep their feet under them" is just silly. These players know quite well after many years of tough competition in the paint how to keep their balance or they wouldn't still be playing. The issue is when a player wants to be a little extra aggressive in going for a ball and puts an extra force into a vulnerable player who's extended while putting in the extra effort to corral a rebound. It's simple to undercut a player when they're up in the air or to throw them down when they're extended; it's another thing to reward them for it.

That's not what I see, and my comments regarding the balance issues stand.

KML is doing a lot more than she's ever done before...particularly down low...and she's already taken two dangerous falls in the first eleven games and suffered one concussion. That should be sufficient evidence of something that needs work.

 

[cferraro04]

Biff's video expresses exactly what I laid out in my comments. CD and Geno have the best seats in the house...they are bound to see things that we sitting at home can't see. If Geno is getting a technical and CD is calling someone out...I have to think that they saw something I was unable to see. Getting on CD for calling someone out without flushing out the facts was a little premature for me, especially given CD's history...she doesn't go off willy-nilly at the mouth...so why now, all of a sudden? The facts favor that she saw something that either she felt was a dangerous precedent or she saw something that went to the integrity of the game and hence she spoke out about it. Her not mentioning names was her way of being courteous but still making her point. She knew those that were curious enough would be able to figure out who she was talking about and she certainly knew that the person whom she was referring to would know it was pointed at them.

With regards to CO's over the back on KML the point here isn't whether or not it was intentional, or whether or not CO is a person one should loss respect for...the issue here is the referees compounded a bad situation by rewarding CO an "and 1". There were three possible calls there to be made:

1. Foul of CO (which was the correct call)
2. A no-call (it would have been incorrect but most would have excused it as simply hard play on COs part and the referees letting them play).
3. A call against Stewart while ignoring the previous foul committed by CO on KML (which was preposterous, incorrect and the reason why people hate watching women's college basketball...because the refereeing is atrocious).