I'm not one for dragging up Edsall stuff but...

[Carl Spackler]

As for Randy. Holy mackerel is he a trainwreck in the media. A head coaching gig at the 1-A level is a lot more than x's and o's. It is what it is. I think it would be better off for everybody in Maryland, if Randy doesn't talk to the media anymore.

The guy clearly demonstrated that he could build a football program from scratch at the 1-A level and be competitive locally in the big east conference in the 2000s decade.

He was clearly a very good selection for the job that UConn needed to get done in 1998.

But it sure seems like he's taken the plan and philosophy, that he used to build a football program from scratch at the 1-A level to be competitive in the big east conference in 2000s decade (a lot different than the 1990s decade - and will be a lot different than the 2010s decade), and taken it verbatim down to Maryland to try to build a nationally relevant ACC football program in the 2010s decade.

Somebody should have told him, that doing that, isn't a great idea. The guy's greatest strenght, his inability to deviate from what he thinks is the right thing to do, is also his worst weakness.

 

[businesslawyer]

Somebody should have told him, that doing that, isn't a great idea. The guy's greatest strenght, his inability to deviate from what he thinks is the right thing to do, is also his worst weakness.

With all the crap thrown around on this topic, that strikes me as a great observation.

 

[Dann]

Edsall is doing terribly there so far, no question, but this article is just a bunch of whiny nonsense. i can't believe some people get paid to pout in articles like this. this is the type of crap MarylandAl should be griping about on a message board, not a supposed journalist in a major newspaper

lol he just came out with his 2012 northeast football pre season rankings
1-MD
2-giants
3-rutgers
4-navy
5-townson
6-psu

 

[Nostical]

How about throwing a flag for piling on. Sure Edsall has his own unrelenting style and is stubborn to his principles and a lot of folks in MD aren't happy---yet---, but give the guy the opportunity to turn the program around from the train wreck it was (and yes it was a wreck--Friedgen was an enabler). At UConn, Edsall may not have had a stellar record against the top 25, but he ran a clean, disciplined program, got players to the NFL and The Huskies to several Bowls including a BCS, as well as two BE Co-Championships. Give the guy a frigging break already. I have the distinct feeling that a lot of the media haters down there will be feeling some payback very soon. And yes you can call me an apologista and mention trailers.

 

[Waquoit]

Friedgen was an enabler.

Yeah, he enabled MD to win.

 

[Husky68]

So do you think Edsall left UConn to go coach a real football school, like 68 said?

The record against the Top 25 is the most valid criticism of Edsall. Every "Apologista" has acknowledged that.

Jeez!

a. Guess business law isn't the only one that has a stalker(s).
b. "Real football school" is a comment have made in a lot of posts, since you can't get it from the context on this one - its a put down on the media reaction to fhcRE taking the job at Maryland (and fhcRE and his crappy way of leaving) and all the media going "of course he took the job, a school with football history in a real conference"; a great step up from Uconn.
c. So putting fhcRE's 11 years of accomplishments in perspective as it relates to the important issue of "winning against top 25 opponents" (many of those years as an AQ school) is crapping on Uconn. Seems more like putting fhcRE's accomplishments in perspective. Take a shorter time frame. Since Uconn joined the BE, how many AQ schools have never beaten a top 25 team. There are almost 70 AQ schools, bet the number wouldn't require you to take your shoes off to count.
d. Just in case c. isn't clear enough for you, crapping (if it is so as you state, which I don't agree with) on fhcRE's record in not crapping on Uconn. No more than say'n the Obama's record of success is pretty weak is crapping on the USA. You see fhcRE was not Uconn football (maybe you and he thought so, not me), just an employee; just like Obama is not the USA, just an employee.

 

[metsfan2323]

d. Just in case c. isn't clear enough for you, crapping (if it is so as you state, which I don't agree with) on fhcRE's record in not crapping on Uconn. No more than say'n the Obama's record of success is pretty weak is crapping on the USA. You see fhcRE was not Uconn football (maybe you and he thought so, not me), just an employee; just like Obama is not the USA, just an employee.

Well said.

 

[businesslawyer]

Well said.

No, it's not. If Edsall wasn't successful over his ten years, UConn football wasn't successful over those years. Period. You may think those statements are both true or both false, but you can't logically believe that all the players, managers and assistant coaches accomplished a lot but the head coach accomplished zilch. It is not the case that a head coach should be able to beat ranked opponents but his players shouldn't.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Jeez!

a. Guess business law isn't the only one that has a stalker(s). Don't flatter yourself. I hardly ever read your posts.
b. "Real football school" is a comment have made in a lot of posts, since you can't get it from the context on this one - its a put down on the media reaction to fhcRE taking the job at Maryland (and fhcRE and his crappy way of leaving) and all the media going "of course he took the job, a school with football history in a real conference"; a great step up from Uconn. I didn't know that you repeatedly made this comment in a lot of your posts (see above). I took it differently.
c. So putting fhcRE's 11 years of accomplishments in perspective as it relates to the important issue of "winning against top 25 opponents" (many of those years as an AQ school) is crapping on Uconn. Seems more like putting fhcRE's accomplishments in perspective. Take a shorter time frame. Since Uconn joined the BE, how many AQ schools have never beaten a top 25 team. There are almost 70 AQ schools, bet the number wouldn't require you to take your shoes off to count. My only problem with your post was the reference to the "real football school". I've said in this thread that Edsall's record against top 25 teams is the most legitimate knock on him.
d. Just in case c. isn't clear enough for you, crapping (if it is so as you state, which I don't agree with) on fhcRE's record in not crapping on Uconn. No more than say'n the Obama's record of success is pretty weak is crapping on the USA. You see fhcRE was not Uconn football (maybe you and he thought so, not me), just an employee; just like Obama is not the USA, just an employee. I don't know one poster on this board that would disagree with this premise. You can knock him for his record against top 25 teams, but then you turn around and crap all over our Fiesta Bowl appearance. Can't have it both ways.

 

[noeynox]

Yeah, he enabled MD to win.

For real. You'd think Edsall inherited a team of gang bangers bringing loaded gats into the practice facility reading that post. Did UMD football under Fridge have similar arrest track record to Penn State? Is Calhoun an enabler because or basketball players didn't graduate? What was the extent if the player problems at UMD? At this point, id really like to know.

 

[Nostical]

They were an undisciplined bunch that needed a strong hand.

 

[Carl Spackler]

No, it's not. If Edsall wasn't successful over his ten years, UConn football wasn't successful over those years. Period. You may think those statements are both true or both false, but you can't logically believe that all the players, managers and assistant coaches accomplished a lot but the head coach accomplished zilch. It is not the case that a head coach should be able to beat ranked opponents but his players shouldn't.

I've written the following many times. I don't know if many have comprehended it completely. A football program, long term, must have goals, and must have a level of competition that is both realistic and reachable. Randy Edsall clearly built a football program, with the long term goal in place to become competitive in the Big East conference for Big East titles in a transition period from 1998 through 2005.

He did the job well. He built a program, that in all aspects from recruiting, to scheduling, to style of play, that was able to compete in the Big East essentially from day 1, since we weren't really supposed to join the Big East until 2005.

What Randy didn't do, was change his long term plan for the program to continue growth and become relevant on a national stage, which is why in 2011, we found ourselves in the situation we were in, with a couple of Big East titles in hand, a whooping by Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl, and a style of play that made it progressively harder to have any kind of diversity on offense or flexibility on defense, which in turn made it harder and harder to recruit skill specific positions on the field.

Randy finished the job he was charged with in 1998, without a doubt in 2007. No coincidence that his first real looks outside the programs for other jobs happened at the same time.

What's unfortunate for him, is that he seems to have taken the same exact plan he put in place for UConn in 1998, and began to run it at Maryland in 2011. To the T.

Talk about trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

 

[metsfan2323]

No, it's not. If Edsall wasn't successful over his ten years, UConn football wasn't successful over those years. Period. You may think those statements are both true or both false, but you can't logically believe that all the players, managers and assistant coaches accomplished a lot but the head coach accomplished zilch. It is not the case that a head coach should be able to beat ranked opponents but his players shouldn't.

Overdramatic. Do you get paid for this? Randy Edsall's public defender.

 

[Dougsts]

For real. You'd think Edsall inherited a team of gang bangers bringing loaded gats into the practice facility reading that post. Did UMD football under Fridge have similar arrest track record to Penn State? Is Calhoun an enabler because or basketball players didn't graduate? What was the extent if the player problems at UMD? At this point, id really like to know.

I heard they liked to wear hats from time to time.

 

[Nostical]

It's not over dramatic. It just happens to be correct.

 

[noeynox]

I heard they liked to wear hats from time to time.

Doo Rags and Corn Rows too. Those could be pretty intimidating.

 

[metsfan2323]

It's not over dramatic. It just happens to be correct.

So if I think Randy Edsall plateaued in 2004 and was never going to take us any further than that i'm crapping on the football players? Sorry I disagree.

If I think Dom Perno was a mediocre coach i'm crapping on Tim Coles?

 

[noeynox]

They were an undisciplined bunch that needed a strong hand.

Yet they were eligible and not in jail and they won nine games. How bad could it have been? RE goes down there, lays down the law RE style, and half his team transfers. Even you have to admit some of his rules would alienate anyone. I mean, you could only enter the practice facility through certain doors??? These are "young" men, and they're not going to take kindly to that type of shit. I always said he could do and say things at UConn, that he wouldn't be able to do at other places given his level of success. The level of prickdom exhibited by RE is usually only tolerated from the most successful coaches like, Parcells or Belichek. It is nothing short of amazing how the media down there is burning him at the stake after ONE year. We will see if your right, and they have to eat crow. Given time, I think he could take UMD to the 7-8, win plateau he had UConn at, but I think the odds are against him being given that time due to the rocky start he has endured. He just can't help himself when he opens his mouth.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

So if I think Randy Edsall plateaued in 2004 and was never going to take us any further than that i'm crapping on the football players? Sorry I disagree.

If I think Dom Perno was a mediocre coach i'm crapping on Tim Coles?

If you think he plateaued in 2004, it just means you were wrong.

 

[metsfan2323]

If you think he plateaued in 2004, it just means you were wrong.

In your opinion. Thinking the Orlovsky, Caulley, Fincher, Hargrave, Tyler King, Mulchahey, Oui, Feidelson team could beat the 2010 team IMO is not outrageous. Temple, Rutgers, and Louisville beat the 2010 team.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

In your opinion. Thinking the Orlovsky, Caulley, Fincher, Hargrave, Tyler King, Mulchahey, Oui, Feidelson team could beat the 2010 team IMO is not outrageous. Temple, Rutgers, and Louisville beat the 2010 team.

Saying we plateaued after the 2004 season may be one of the top 10 dumbest things I've read on this board.

 

[businesslawyer]

Overdramatic. Do you get paid for this? Randy Edsall's public defender.

Good strong argument. Thank you for your interest in UConn football.

 

[metsfan2323]

Good strong argument. Thank you for your interest in UConn football.

You're welcome. Holy cow all I said was "Well Said", you're the one who blew it up. I still think point "D" of the post was well said, there is no need for me to explain it, it's easy to understand.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Edsalls days at UMD are numbered, and it couldn't happen to a more deserving individual.

 

[huskysupporter]

Saying we plateaued after the 2004 season may be one of the top 10 dumbest things I've read on this board.

I was going to say top 5, but there have been a lot of dumb things said on this board.

 

[J187Money]

Yeah, he enabled MD to win.

Except half the people here wanted HCRE fired for the same record. Now Fridge is a winner? LOL.

 

[ZooCougar]

Are you kidding me? That was a renegade program. Some of the players even listened o their IPods in the locker room and at study hall. They needed Randys strong handed tactics to bring them back under control.

The two dozen renegade thugs who left Randys abiding care were all crack smoking date rapists who played Xbox all day.

For real. You'd think Edsall inherited a team of gang bangers bringing loaded gats into the practice facility reading that post. Did UMD football under Fridge have similar arrest track record to Penn State? Is Calhoun an enabler because or basketball players didn't graduate? What was the extent if the player problems at UMD? At this point, id really like to know.

 

[Excalibur]

What's unfortunate for him, is that he seems to have taken the same exact plan he put in place for UConn in 1998, and began to run it at Maryland in 2011. To the T.

Talk about trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

This. A million times this.

 

[whaler11]

lol he just came out with his 2012 northeast football pre season rankings
1-MD
2-giants
3-rutgers
4-navy
5-townson
6-psu

I'm pretty sure that MarylandAl thinks the Ravens are better than the Giants.

Other than that - high comedy. UConn peaked at the Motor City Bowl, Maryland was a fine tuned machine and Edsall has a lot in common with Dom Perno. All makes perfect sense.

 

[whaler11]

As much as I love Orlovsky and Fincher... here are the wins from 2004
Murray State, Duke, Army, Temple, Rutgers, Buffalo, Toledo... and Pitt.

Temple, Buffalo, Army and Duke were 2-9. Rutgers was 4-7. (That's 12-35 for those keeping score at home). They needed a Pick-6 and missed FG at horn to beat Duke. . The FBI investigated Toledo for point-shaving and showed up with an injured QB.

They played 5 teams with a pulse. Georgia Tech, Boston College and West Virginia whipped them. Syracuse threw for like 500 yards and they beat Pitt on a Thursday night in the first Rent night game.

I have little doubt that they had better talent at every position but QB and RB in 2011 and went 5-7.

Some advice for you youngsters without kids yet. I went to 11 of the 12 games that season, only missing @ Syracuse. Enjoy it while you can.