If you could go back in time would you want UCONN to sue BC and the ACC?

[BCINGYA]

Then why bring this up at all? Your skirt is showing.

Um....was that some kind of attempt at..........well....some kind of point?

 

[06029]

When you attempt to sue (beyond B.C. and Miami) ....the Conference commish, his A.C.C officers, and the league as a whole your asking for trouble. Ya........ Karma exists..... and in this case it bit you in the a@#. Memories are long my friend. Politicians grandstand at the expense of others and leave the mess for suckers to clean up. Your leadership at all levels blew it not thinking about the long term percussions. Also for the record for the 100th time, I am pro U Conn to the ACC, have been since day one.

Of course the cymbolism of the percussions resonates in the tympani membranes forever. One must not keep drumming this into people. Its a good thing you are the drum major for Uconn to the ACC.

 

[The Funster]

AWWWWW Shucks your just being mean.

Did you really use the term scaredy-cat....lol..........and please spare me with that tired old theory. U Conn is a fine school with a exceptional track record at striving for success. Success is not built by cutting others down that implies weakness. U Conn can stand on its own merits and should feel secure with that.

Was going to go with "fraidy-cat", actually. The OP was written by a puke and deserved a similarly pukish response.

 

[specialisthusky]

Of course the cymbolism of the percussions resonates in the tympani membranes forever. One must not keep drumming this into people. Its a good thing you are the drum major for Uconn to the ACC.

This was awesome. I cannot believe I'm the only one that liked it. Beating that drum never gets old.

 

[CL82]

Of course the cymbolism of the percussions resonates in the tympani membranes forever. One must not keep drumming this into people. Its a good thing you are the drum major for Uconn to the ACC.

Remind me of Mayor Wilson Goode of Philly when he had a press conference stating that he had the police blow the pillbox off the roof using a "percussion device." At the time I thought "Was it a tambourine, maybe a snare drum?"

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Remind me of Mayor Wilson Goode of Philly when he had a press conference stating that he had the police blow the pillbox off the roof using a "percussion device." At the time I thought "Was it a tambourine, maybe a snare drum?"

Wasn't Mayor Goode "down the shore" (well out of town) when the order to blow up the house was given? I remember he always articulated so clearly even if he was unclear of the subject matter. One year there was a buzz around a 9-year-old whiz kid distance runner named Tabitha Franks. She ran the Philadelphia Distance Run (half-marathon) and Goode used a photo op after the race to praise her. He emphasized her name several times calling her "Tabika Franco." I suppose he thought she was related to Franco Harris. That guy was two wild cards short of three-of-a-kind.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

You guys have a weird complex about this. I think it's because you're scarred over Father Leahy lying and screwing over BC's former partners. And somebody actually had the gall to call your school on it.

Indeed, memories are long of BCU lying to and undermining its partner universities. In time, BCU's rightful place will be cemented by Leahy's hypocrisies.

 

[ZooCougar]

When you attempt to sue (beyond B.C. and Miami) ....the Conference commish, his A.C.C officers, and the league as a whole your asking for trouble. Ya........ Karma exists..... and in this case it bit you in the a@#. Memories are long my friend. Politicians grandstand at the expense of others and leave the mess for suckers to clean up. Your leadership at all levels blew it not thinking about the long term percussions. Also for the record for the 100th time, I am pro U Conn to the ACC, have been since day one.

You obviously don't understand karma. You better hope it doesn't exist, because if it does you guys may be playing in the NESCAC where you belong.

 

[BCINGYA]

Was going to go with "fraidy-cat", actually. The OP was written by a puke and deserved a similarly pukish response.

Name calling is juvenile. It is often a last resort when someone reaches a level of overwhelming frustration. BE KIND REWIND.

 

[Nostical]

When you attempt to sue the Conference commish, his A.C.C officers, and the league as a whole your asking for trouble. Ya........ Karma exists..... and in this case it bit you in the a@#. Memories are long my friend.

Look, whether we want to admit it or not, the lawsuit had an inordinately negative impact on our perception by the ACC. And yes memories are long. As I've recounted before, Boeheim was "quite surprised" after his first ACC get together in Charlotte (?) at the amount of bad feelings still remaining toward UConn, brought on by Blumenthal spearheading the lawsuit, giving it a Connecticut patina. Given another school to choose for it's fraternity, the conference was understandably less inclined to welcome the guy who egged the frat house to come be a pledge at good old ACC. This isn't complicated. Personal issues still play a role. Now, however, it's time to move on. The stakes are higher and the participants have changed. I would argue the top dogs in the UConn braintrust are miles ahead of their predecessors. Hogan to Herbst, Hathaway to Manuel. The same can be said for BC, DeFillipo to Bates. Reasonable people, unburdened by personal slights, should be able to see the accretive value of UConn here. I see UConn as a valuable piece in the Northeast puzzle with it's footprint in both New England and NYC. Whichever conference acts first will create a very real Northeastern barrier to the other. Whether its the B1G or the ACC, I'm optimistic.

 

[BCINGYA]

Indeed, memories are long of BCU lying to and undermining its partner universities. In time, BCU's rightful place will be cemented by Leahy's hypocrisies.

Lying and undermining in your opinion, moving onto a more stable conference that pays better is more like it. IF the A.C.C. had asked U Conn they would have split in a N.Y. minute. Don't be a hypocrite. Anything that went on behind the scenes in 2003-04 is pure conjecture and sour grapes. Miami was intent and made a promise to bring B.C along with it even after the V.T. intercept. It was a public FACT written in the Boston Globe and Herald between B.C. and Miami leadership. The premise of conversation being 'We will do everything in our power to make sure you are included as a future member...... it was only a matter of when... not if. The Big East knew the A.C.C. sat at 11 schools and needed a twelfth.....the writing was on the wall so spare me the lies and deception, that was used as a smear tactic by a disgruntled few. The Syracuse and Pitt departures were just as swift and surprising catching the B.E. totally off guard, yet you continue to beat the drum of venom towards B.C.........double standards and hypocrisy.

 

[btstimpy]

I am hoping that rational folks will prevail, and, see the value of a BC-UConn rvialry within the ACC. Yeah, BC would have quite a ways to go to be competitive with you in hoops, and, you all would need some work to get back to their level in football. But, it would be a great thing for both schools, the region, and, the league.

I see the value, and that lawsuit is ancient history to me. I hope it is ancient history for the league too. What the people at the former Big East schools think of UConn having been in a league with UConn before is important. But we are seeing change at many of them: VT is getting a new President and AD, BC has a new AD, Syracuse is getting a new President, Pittsburgh is getting a new Chancellor, and Miami has a new AD. UConn should get a fresh look long removed from the lawsuit and the Big East when all these changes take place. I hope a fresh objective analysis will be positive.

 

[Fishy]

I understand that all the faces will ultimately change, although Swofford's remains the same - I just cannot see UConn ever being invited into the ACC, especially with Notre Dame out there in the ether.

If you knew what we know about Syracuse, Pitt and Boston College, you'd understand our pessimism with our long-term ACC chances.

Whereas ACC schools actually seem to enjoy rivalries, our former neighbors are a lot more timid.

 

[upstater]

I understand that all the faces will ultimately change, although Swofford's remains the same - I just cannot see UConn ever being invited into the ACC, especially with Notre Dame out there in the ether.

If you knew what we know about Syracuse, Pitt and Boston College, you'd understand our pessimism with our long-term ACC chances.

Whereas ACC schools actually seem to enjoy rivalries, our former neighbors are a lot more timid.

You used to be even more pessimistic about the B1G. So no ACC, no B1G, then Pac12?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Unfortunately, the ACC has said "no" on multiple occasions. It took freaking Pitt before taking UConn. While I am sure there is a way for this to happen, I have trouble understanding the combination of circumstances that would earn UConn an invitation to the ACC.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think we are going to reach a point where legal alternatives are all we have. The most dangerous person in any negotiation is the one that has nothing to lose. UConn has to start acting like it has nothing to lose, because the reality is that we don't.

 

[BlueHen]

I think we are going to reach a point where legal alternatives are all we have. The most dangerous person in any negotiation is the one that has nothing to lose. UConn has to start acting like it has nothing to lose, because the reality is that we don't.

What legal alternatives? Are we going to sue our way into a conference?

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

If the ACC wants to renegotiate its contract with ESPN sooner rather than later, they will have to add value in a concrete way. Adding UConn is pretty much all they have left that would accomplish that.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

What legal alternatives? Are we going to sue our way into a conference?

You have all the answers, so what should UConn do?

 

[BlueHen]

You have all the answers, so what should UConn do?

I know a bad idea when I see it. Do you really think UConn can improve it's standing in court? Legal action hasn't exactly worked out well for UConn so far.

Maybe UConn can retain the firm of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe and litigate its way into the MAC. That should make you happy.

 

[d1reality]

I know a bad idea when I see it. Do you really think UConn can improve it's standing in court? Legal action hasn't exactly worked out well for UConn so far.

Maybe UConn can retain the firm of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe and litigate its way into the MAC. That should make you happy.

The chances of the MAC expanding anytime soon are as remote as the ACC and B1G diluting any further. This whole discussion is much ado about nothing, expansion ain't happening in the near future.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I know a bad idea when I see it. Do you really think UConn can improve it's standing in court? Legal action hasn't exactly worked out well for UConn so far.

Maybe UConn can retain the firm of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe and litigate its way into the MAC. That should make you happy.

Actually, playing by the rules and waiting our turn is how UConn has gotten to this point. So more of the same advice seems catastrophically stupid.

Do you know anything about the history of sports over the last 40 years? Most of the major changes in professional and intercollegiate athletics have occurred as the result of litigation. The BCS exists because of litigation against the NCAA. O'Bannon is going to win his lawsuit, and that will shake things up. And someone is going to sue the BCS for the anti-competitive cartel that it is.

How do I know the P5 will lose in court? Because it is paying the non-BCS schools almost $100 million per year not to sue the P5. Why on earth would the P5 pay that much money to the non-P5 leagues unless it felt guilty?

By the way, you didn't answer my question. Probably because you know that your solution of "wait our turn" is idiotic.

 

[Nostical]

You have all the answers, so what should UConn do?

While that wasn't directed at me I do agree with Bluehen that litigation is not happening. It's no secret that UConn is preparing itself, with all of its many maneuvers on the academic, endowment, research and athletic fronts, to reach an acceptable threshold for the B1G. And in the competitive world of conference footprints, the closer we get to that invite, the more attractive we will become to the ACC. There will certainly come a time for further conference movement. Our braintrust along with more rational folks at other institutions will make a difference this time. For now its our job to embrace the AAC, win and fill seats in our arenas, improve our TV ratings, enhance our image with the media---and with that success, explore and announce "rebuilds" of Gampel and expansion at the Rent. I see this as a three-five year process. In the meantime, we need to enjoy the ride and do what really counts--attend the games, contribute to the school, and hold our heads high.

 

[BlueHen]

Actually, playing by the rules and waiting our turn is how UConn has gotten to this point. So more of the same advice seems catastrophically stupid.

Do you know anything about the history of sports over the last 40 years? Most of the major changes in professional and intercollegiate athletics have occurred as the result of litigation. The BCS exists because of litigation against the NCAA. O'Bannon is going to win his lawsuit, and that will shake things up. And someone is going to sue the BCS for the anti-competitive cartel that it is.

How do I know the P5 will lose in court? Because it is paying the non-BCS schools almost $100 million per year not to sue the P5. Why on earth would the P5 pay that much money to the non-P5 leagues unless it felt guilty?

By the way, you didn't answer my question. Probably because you know that your solution of "wait our turn" is idiotic.

See Nostical's post above for my answer to your question. It is spot on.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

While that wasn't directed at me I do agree with Bluehen that litigation is not happening. It's no secret that UConn is preparing itself, with all of its many maneuvers on the academic, endowment, research and athletic fronts, to reach an acceptable threshold for the B1G. And in the competitive world of conference footprints, the closer we get to that invite, the more attractive we will become to the ACC. There will certainly come a time for further conference movement. Our braintrust along with more rational folks at other institutions will make a difference this time. For now its our job to embrace the AAC, win and fill seats in our arenas, improve our TV ratings, enhance our image with the media---and with that success, explore and announce "rebuilds" of Gampel and expansion at the Rent. I see this as a three-five year process. In the meantime, we need to enjoy the ride and do what really counts--attend the games, contribute to the school, and hold our heads high.

I agree the ACC does not want us,however they don't want us to go to the B1G even. more. UConn fans who don't beat the B1g drum really don't get it.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Greetings from Cabo

 

[RegisteredUconn]

View attachment 4515Greetings from Cabo

Are you deliberately trying to be more despised than BCU? You realize we are in the midst of a new snow event every 2-4 days, right?

 

[Dooley]

I agree the ACC does not want us,however they don't want us to go to the B1G even. more. UConn fans who don't beat the B1g drum really don't get it.

Exactly right. The ACC ship has sailed. We will NEVER be invited into that conference. Time for UCONN fans to turn the page (actually, the time to turn the page was when the ACC chose Pitt/Cuse/Louisville over UCONN over the years). The ACC Conference has made their choice(s) as to what direction they wanted to take going into the future so UCONN must do the same. President Herbst knows this too, hence all of the rhetoric about "research", focusing on raising our endowment, an aggressive faculty expansion, and expanding the campus and research facilities. All of this points to a real push to gain AAU acceptance and, ultimately, B1G acceptance. I think we are a much better fit for the B1G anyway where we will be aligned with like-minded universities where the focus is on athletic excellence (with the exception of Rutty of course…had to take my shot!!) AND academic achievement. Any conference that expands just by picking and choosing schools that happen to be enjoying athletic success AT THE TIME (but offer NOTHING in terms of sustained academic achievement…which is another huge money making opportunity) is not something UCONN should be associated with in the long-term. Don't get me wrong, if the ACC offered, we would likely accept just to get out of the AAC but we don't have to worry about that hypothetical because it is never happening. Athletics are cyclical and Louisville's successful cycle happened to be at the right time to convince enough ACC Presidents who, at the time, were worried about FSU, Clemson, and the other football schools were going to bolt for the B12 or SEC, to invite them. Kudos to them too. They successfully parlayed some good years of football and basketball into being invited into a power COLLEGIATE conference despite offering nothing in terms of an actual COLLEGE experience. I'm looking forward to the FSU and Clemson fans' bemoaning how awful Louisville is when the re-enter their Kragthorpe-esque era when Strong leaves and when they have to replace the aging Rick Pitino.

 

[CL82]

Exactly right. The ACC ship has sailed. We will NEVER be invited into that conference. Time for UCONN fans to turn the page (actually, the time to turn the page was when the ACC chose Pitt/Cuse/Louisville over UCONN over the years). The ACC Conference has made their choice(s) as to what direction they wanted to take going into the future so UCONN must do the same. President Herbst knows this too, hence all of the rhetoric about "research", focusing on raising our endowment, an aggressive faculty expansion, and expanding the campus and research facilities. All of this points to a real push to gain AAU acceptance and, ultimately, B1G acceptance. .....

Here's a thought, what if Pres. Herbst is just phrasing her program to improve athletics in a manner that will placate/energize the sports boosters? I feel confident that Herbst wants us to be good conference but I believe that it is secondary to her core mission of academics. Just a sense I get from time to time.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Here's a thought, what if Pres. Herbst is just phrasing her program to improve athletics in a manner that will placate/energize the sports boosters? I feel confident that Herbst wants us to be good conference but I believe that it is secondary to her core mission of academics. Just a sense I get from time to time.

As it should be. I think that Herbst has a plan for what the athletic department will look like if a P5 conference is not in our future. We as fans may not like what that looks like, but Herbst's job is to work with reality, not what the hardcore fans like us wish would happen. The academic mission is paramount. I also think that Herbst believes that a strong and improving academic profile of the school will help out all aspects of the university, including its athletics. I don't know if I think it will help, but improving the academics certainly couldn't hurt.

I have been angry at Herbst at times because of the way conference realignment has turned out, but I do think she is doing a very good job with the university overall.