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If not for Bouknight...

8893 said:
He did?
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Just a guess. Not trying to make excuses for the kid, but at the very least he never found his legs which would suggest he never was given the chance to get back in basketball shape. Getting clearance from the medical staff to play is a lot different then being ready to play.
 
djct1999 said:
Just a guess. Not trying to make excuses for the kid, but at the very least he never found his legs which would suggest he never was given the chance to get back in basketball shape. Getting clearance from the medical staff to play is a lot different then being ready to play.
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I agree with you on basketball shape. He basically took a month and change off. I’m in the camp he should’ve came back sooner, so he wouldn’t have lost his stamina.

But also, we’ll be a better team without him next year. He’s got to go but I’m worried the last few weeks of the season hurt his draft stock.
 
CTBasketball said:
I agree with you on basketball shape. He basically took a month and change off. I’m in the camp he should’ve came back sooner, so he wouldn’t have lost his stamina.

But also, we’ll be a better team without him next year. He’s got to go but I’m worried the last few weeks of the season hurt his draft stock.
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Interesting point on coming back sooner. I never thought of it like that. Maybe you are right.

Anyway, the NBA selects on potential. Nothing over the last few weeks changed that.
 
djct1999 said:
Interesting point on coming back sooner. I never thought of it like that. Maybe you are right.

Anyway, the NBA selects on potential. Nothing over the last few weeks changed that.
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If UConn doctors were the ones clearing him, I bet they would’ve OK’d him for spot minutes 2-4 weeks after the surgery just so he wouldn’t sit on a shelf. When you’re not medically cleared you literally can’t do anything.

Agree on the NBA Draft. But I think some places at his peak had him in the 5-10/high lottery, but now I’m thinking he’s between picks 10-20. Have to make your FTs!
 
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CTBasketball said:
If UConn doctors were the ones clearing him, I bet they would’ve OK’d him for spot minutes 2-4 weeks after the surgery just so he wouldn’t sit on a shelf. When you’re not medically cleared you literally can’t do anything.

Agree on the NBA Draft. But I think some places at his peak had him in the 5-10/high lottery, but now I’m thinking he’s between picks 10-20. Have to make your FTs!
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He shot over 80% for the year. Again, yesterday I assume it was a fatigue thing. I believe he played the entire game or close to it, constantly being double and triple teamed. Honest question, although he didn't deliver with his performance, name a UConn player who was working harder on the offensive end? To me, for the most part, it seemed that he was trying hard to spring free, while Martin, Cole, Gaffney, Whaley or whoever just stood still there watching.
 
GiladKatzDeli said:
Bouk will make a business decision to go pro (and should), and us Husky fans will cheer him on! I feel about Bouk the same way I did about Jeremy Lamb- he’s going to be a good pro, but don’t expect him to be an impact player right away. Both players would’ve been better served, from a skill development perspective, with another year in college, but I understand the business decision.
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It's really not that hard.
  • Bouknight had a very disappointing end to this year (Creighton and tonight) and isn't the dominant go-to player whose performance screams "ready for the next level"
  • That said, the NBA drafts on potential, he's very likely to be picked somewhere between 10 and 20, and financially he can't justify coming back on the hope that he would move up into the 5-10 range

You don't have to claim he's had a storied college career (he hasn't) or doesn't have anything to improve on (he absolutely does, especially mentally) to argue that he's not going to get drafted high (he will).

You also don't have to over-inflate what he's accomplished here (frankly, not much) to argue that he's going to get paid next year.
 
djct1999 said:
He shot over 80% for the year. Again, yesterday I assume it was a fatigue thing. I believe he played the entire game or close to it, constantly being double and triple teamed. Honest question, although he didn't deliver with his performance, name a UConn player who was working harder on the offensive end? To me, for the most part, it seemed that he was trying hard to spring free, while Martin, Cole, Gaffney, Whaley or whoever just stood still there watching.
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He was definitely pushing it to the max. But I think Bouknight could’ve benefitted from being benched in the 1H for a minute or two at the start. It was clear Maryland’s D was bothering him. There was no adapting to it - he kept trying to go 100% at the double teams.

He actually had Cole, Gaffney, and Whaley wide open on multiple consecutive possessions late in the game and he didn’t even see it. He was locked in and trying to will this team to a W. If the ball bounces differently next time maybe this is a W and we’re celebrating.
 
3rdbass said:
I remember Bouk being a special player in Charleston early his Freshman year but yeah he didn't become more consistent until the Tulsa game.
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I meant the whole car thing as the bad beginning at UConn, but he certainly played very well later as a freshman
 
CTBasketball said:
When you’re not medically cleared you literally can’t do anything.
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We were told he was practicing with the team--there was even some video of it--and that he was able to keep his cardio/legs up because the injury didn't affect that.
 
8893 said:
We were told he was practicing with the team--there was even some video of it--and that he was able to keep his cardio/legs up because the injury didn't affect that.
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Could be. I’d prefer game speed to that tho. But if what you’re saying is true then the “Bouknight is tired” narrative should be thrown out the window.
 
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CTBasketball said:
Could be. I’d prefer game speed to that tho. But if what you’re saying is true then the “Bouknight is tired” narrative should be thrown out the window.
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Games are certainly different than practice, but I think he was trying to do too much and he wasn't playing smart much of the time once he returned because he was trying to make up for lost time.
 
  1. Bouknight is almost certainly declaring and going pro.
  2. He will very likely be a lotterypick
  3. Assuch, he will most likely be on an NBA roster and develop there
  4. He has trouble with the ball creating space for himself and beating good defenders off the dribble. Some of his most memorable plays were off the ball.
  5. He needs to learn that creating opportunities for others is as important as creating for himself.
All of these things can be true.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
It's really not that hard.
  • Bouknight had a very disappointing end to this year (Creighton and tonight) and isn't the dominant go-to player whose performance screams "ready for the next level"
  • That said, the NBA drafts on potential, he's very likely to be picked somewhere between 10 and 20, and financially he can't justify coming back on the hope that he would move up into the 5-10 range

You don't have to claim he's had a storied college career (he hasn't) or doesn't have anything to improve on (he absolutely does, especially mentally) to argue that he's not going to get drafted high (he will).

You also don't have to over-inflate what he's accomplished here (frankly, not much) to argue that he's going to get paid next year.
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Bouk is going pro (and should) because it's a good business decision. However, I've always felt that players with mid-late first round talent develop faster in college than riding the bench in the NBA. You can't tell me playing 8 meaningless minutes a night for the Timberwolves is better than 40 minutes of Big East basketball in meaningful games.

Jeremy Lamb was a lottery pick, and was literally invisible for the first 4 years of his career because he needed to develop. I feel the same way about Bouk. The point is, Bouk is going pro (and should), because it's a good business decision, but will need a few years to develop (which will happen at a slower pace in the NBA, imo).
 
8893 said:
Games are certainly different than practice, but I think he was trying to do too much and he wasn't playing smart much of the time once he returned because he was trying to make up for lost time.
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He was also the one covering Ayala for the last 10-12 minutes of the game. Seemed like an odd decision to give him that assignment when he was playing a full 40. He did pretty well - Ayala got by him once too easily in a semi transition (maybe drew a foul). But Bouk worked pretty hard at that end down the stretch, and it would have been optimal if one of our other guys could have stepped up and stopped him so Bouk could conserve energy.
 
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Block C said:
I really hope Bouknight comes back next year and even plays four years he will be even better and make something out of himself. Moving on after this year I think is a mistake for him.
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just lol
 
Martin said:
Bazz and Kemba stayed in college and got better year after year. That put them in positions to lead in their championship seasons. Bouk might be a lottery pick but he could be out of the league in 3 or 4 yrs too. I don’t see a can’t miss NBAer in number 2. Best of luck to you.
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Bouk is better than Kemba and Shabazz were their sophomore years. Kemba didn’t become a star until several years into his nba career. Bazz is having a nice career. They both played with nba players when they won their championships. Kemba got experience by playing with the 2009 team.

Bouk should go make money and have a nice career
 
Thankful of Bouk helping bring back this program from the depths of Mordor. It's his decision but I hope he gets good advice though and still leave the door open to come back. I hope he's not one of those guys left in the green room because of bad advice. There's a lot more to this so it's really difficult to project now.

The draft projections are fluid. Who knows what's going to happen in the next few months. Will his draft stock rise or fall after his workouts? Who gets hurt? Which foreign player will rise? Who will declare early? Which teams are trading their draft pick?

Saying he's a top 5 pick or a top 15 pick right now is just silly. He's projected to be 8-15. #8 will get $13.1 million while #15 gets $8.9 million. Both are a lot of money and I hope he gets every single penny.
 
The NBA often drafts on a player’s potential , and in Bouk’s case he has a ton of upside. Even though some may think he’s not ready for the NBA now- after he spends a couple years developing his game and his body with other NBA players, coaches and resources he could turn into a solid NBA player.
 
Bouk did his job. He got us back in the Dance and proved UConn can send talent into the NBA in 2 years or less. That will only attract better prospects going forward. Every program needs these huge upside players with tons of talent that can produce (Lamb, DHam, Drum, Ray, etc), but they almost never have the IQ or leadership skills to lead or coordinate a legit title run.

If we want any shot at another title, Hurley will need to produce that next great UConn guard who emerges as a leader after 2 full years yet still flies under the NBA's radar. And that requires a special nuanced blend of scouting, recruitment, and player development that is MUCH harder to arrive at (let alone institutionalize like Calhoun did) than simply convincing top talent prospects to come play at your school.
 
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Matias said:
Bouk did his job. He got us back in the Dance and proved UConn can send talent into the NBA in 2 years or less. That will only attract better prospects going forward. Every program needs these huge upside players with tons of talent that can produce (Lamb, DHam, Drum, Ray, etc), but they almost never have the IQ or leadership skills to lead or coordinate a legit title run.

If we want any shot at another title, Hurley will need to produce that next great UConn guard who emerges as a leader after 2 full years yet still flies under the NBA's radar. And that requires a special nuanced blend of scouting, recruitment, and player development that is MUCH harder to arrive at (let alone institutionalize like Calhoun did) than simply convincing top talent prospects to come play at your school.
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'If we want any shot at another title, Hurley will need to produce that next great UConn guard who emerges as a leader after 2 full years yet still flies under the NBA's radar.'
he is already here. if you have to ask 'who?' well... awwww, fughettabootit... (small hint -the only clutch free throw maker on our team this past season.)
 
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