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If ND wins, should NCAA be forced to explain itself on Shepard?

Plebe said:
Great. You've questioned it. I questioned it too, back when it happened. Time and place, as I said.

Would you still be questioning it in a specially created Shepard waiver thread if UConn had won the game? Methinks not.
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I thought I said that I question anything that doesn't seem right.
 
scubadog said:
Honestly Nan, why is it sour grapes , and why are you so defensive about the subject ? There should be complete equality in these decisions. Or let's at least say disclosure . The NCAA loves to hide behind the shroud of secrecy and they get away with it . Why, because nobody forces the NCAA to answer any of these questions . I posted this question several times long before the game took place.
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Maybe there were extenuating circumstances behind the transfer and those circumstances were private (i.e. none of our business). If there was some kind of...issue, and I will NOT speculate on one...and the NCAA blabbed about it because some UConn fans had their panties in a bunch, I would be the first person in Indianapolis with pitchfork and tar in hand.
 
I don't remember seeing the transfer fairness police howling when Natalie Romeo got immediate eligibility to play at Washington. Or when Leti Romero got immediate eligibility at Florida State. Or when Chatrice White got immediate eligibility at Florida State.

There can be all manner of personal reasons that would cause someone to want to transfer. If you make the contents of transfer requests public, it is going to discourage people from applying for waivers because they don't want their personal business aired. So the NCAA is never going to disclose the contents of waiver requests, nor should they. And it certainly isn't incumbent upon Shepard to voluntarily air her personal business to mollify people who don't like Notre Dame.

Is it problematic that the NCAA decides these things pretty much in secret with no transparency? Perhaps. Are the transfer rules completely messed up and in desperate need of a re-write.? Arguably. But this is the system that is in place. Shepard is just the latest and highest profile to get a waiver as result of it. But she's certainly not the first.
 
HuskyNan said:
Maybe there were extenuating circumstances behind the permitting of the transfer and those circumstances were private (i.e. none of our business). If there was some kind of...issue, and I will NOT speculate on one...and the NCAA blabbed about it because some UConn fans had their panties in a bunch, I would be the first person in Indianapolis with pitchfork and tar in hand.
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There is always a way to explain extenuating issues without divulging personal matters. At least on the men's bb side you have people that are willing to ask tough questions. Medical issues should never be discussed . I personally would be open to any explanation that made sense. Why does every request for disclosing a reason, bring disgruntled remarks toward people asking what should be a logical question? In the past, the ncaa has given logical reasons for allowing players to play immediately. Such as coaching change , to use one example. Why is this different ?
 
Orangutan said:
I don't remember seeing the transfer fairness police howling when Natalie Romeo got immediate eligibility to play at Washington. Or when Leti Romero got immediate eligibility at Florida State. Or when Chatrice White got immediate eligibility at Florida State.

There can be all manner of personal reasons that would cause someone to want to transfer. If you make the contents of transfer requests public, it is going to discourage people from applying for waivers because they don't want their personal business aired. So the NCAA is never going to disclose the contents of waiver requests, nor should they. And it certainly isn't incumbent upon Shepard to voluntarily air her personal business to mollify people who don't like Notre Dame.

Is it problematic that the NCAA decides these things pretty much in secret with no transparency? Perhaps. Are the transfer rules completely messed up and in desperate need of a re-write.? Arguably. But this is the system that is in place. Shepard is just the latest and highest profile to get a waiver as result of it. But she's certainly not the first.
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Well, I guess you at least think some things are problematic. But lets not rock the boat !
 
ASweet3781 said:
How about you answer the question Nan.

Why was she given a waiver and hundreds of other kids a year weren't?
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Name the "hundreds" who applied and were denied? I believe a couple of other big name transfers were also given a waiver, as has been posted on this board numerous times, especially by our ND supporters.
I felt the same way that you did until I was informed of the other players. Then it didn't seem to be unfair.
I also believe that UConn did not request a waiver for either BatCam or Z, but I could be mistaken.
 
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ASweet3781 said:
Perhaps it has sailed because people continue to let things like this go.
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Maybe there are privacy issues involved here and that is why there was no public disclosure. Not sure if the NCAA has to give a reason for any of their decisions because, well, it's the NCAA. Sports organizations live by a completely different set of rules than most organizations, don't they?
 
I don't think people would question Shepherd's waiver if she had gone when the coaching change occurred. Staying and playing a year makes it harder to understand.
 
Orangutan said:
I don't remember seeing the transfer fairness police howling when Natalie Romeo got immediate eligibility to play at Washington. Or when Leti Romero got immediate eligibility at Florida State. Or when Chatrice White got immediate eligibility at Florida State.

There can be all manner of personal reasons that would cause someone to want to transfer. If you make the contents of transfer requests public, it is going to discourage people from applying for waivers because they don't want their personal business aired. So the NCAA is never going to disclose the contents of waiver requests, nor should they. And it certainly isn't incumbent upon Shepard to voluntarily air her personal business to mollify people who don't like Notre Dame.

Is it problematic that the NCAA decides these things pretty much in secret with no transparency? Perhaps. Are the transfer rules completely messed up and in desperate need of a re-write.? Arguably. But this is the system that is in place. Shepard is just the latest and highest profile to get a waiver as result of it. But she's certainly not the first.
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Sorry @Orangutan, I added a couple of reply posts before reading yours. My intent was to basically present your argument.
 
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scubadog said:
Again, this was brought up by me before loss. All I would like to see is some discussion by any one on the broadcast team as to why it was granted. Especially since there is so much useless banter during the broadcast anyway. Maybe Rebecca would have the guts to at least bring the subject up, although I doubt it. Sometimes the truth interferes with peoples comfort zone.
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There were a lot of posts on this subject going back to October, but please don’t try to BS a BS’er. This particular thread, which you have latched onto was initiated 1 1/2 days after UConn lost to ND.

For those like you who can’t let this subject go, I’ll provide my last thought on this thread by quoting the serenity prayer:

Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

But if that doesn’t work for you, then please have at it. Maybe you can get the FBI to investigate Shepard’s transfer while they’re investigating top men’s programs for funneling 6 figure payments from shoe companies to top HS recruits. If that doesn’t work, maybe you can get Congress to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the transfer. :rolleyes:
 
Orangutan said:
I don't remember seeing the transfer fairness police howling when Natalie Romeo got immediate eligibility to play at Washington. Or when Leti Romero got immediate eligibility at Florida State. Or when Chatrice White got immediate eligibility at Florida State.

There can be all manner of personal reasons that would cause someone to want to transfer. If you make the contents of transfer requests public, it is going to discourage people from applying for waivers because they don't want their personal business aired. So the NCAA is never going to disclose the contents of waiver requests, nor should they. And it certainly isn't incumbent upon Shepard to voluntarily air her personal business to mollify people who don't like Notre Dame.

Is it problematic that the NCAA decides these things pretty much in secret with no transparency? Perhaps. Are the transfer rules completely messed up and in desperate need of a re-write.? Arguably. But this is the system that is in place. Shepard is just the latest and highest profile to get a waiver as result of it. But she's certainly not the first.
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There was no police I was entirely solo in this, but I did question.
 
HuskyNan said:
I see.

Anyone got the phone number for CVS?
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I am old and a little dense at times, but I fail to see how Viv Stringer could settle this.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch....

The NCAA continues to be as opaque as the Politburo in USSR days, and continues to peddle the myth of student athletes. A few programs such as UConn actually seem to care about the student part, while many give it lip service. This is a scandal worth discussing. Treatment of a single kid's transfer, about which we have, and will continue to have, very little real information, is a just cause for oh-so-very righteous (and possibly unjustified) indignation.

I wonder why the NCAA didn't do more to improve our shooting in the first quarter.
 
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ASweet3781 said:
Shepard to Irish; says no issue with Huskers

“I had no issue with Nebraska,” Shepard said. “Ultimately it came down to what I wanted to accomplish in college and the next level. Nebraska just wasn’t the place to get me there.”
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That sounds like about the same issue Stevens (who had to sit a year) had with Duke.
Have you been following my research elsewhere on this topic? Seems like it.
 
Orangutan said:
I don't remember seeing the transfer fairness police howling when Natalie Romeo got immediate eligibility to play at Washington. Or when Leti Romero got immediate eligibility at Florida State. Or when Chatrice White got immediate eligibility at Florida State.

There can be all manner of personal reasons that would cause someone to want to transfer. If you make the contents of transfer requests public, it is going to discourage people from applying for waivers because they don't want their personal business aired. So the NCAA is never going to disclose the contents of waiver requests, nor should they. And it certainly isn't incumbent upon Shepard to voluntarily air her personal business to mollify people who don't like Notre Dame.

Is it problematic that the NCAA decides these things pretty much in secret with no transparency? Perhaps. Are the transfer rules completely messed up and in desperate need of a re-write.? Arguably. But this is the system that is in place. Shepard is just the latest and highest profile to get a waiver as result of it. But she's certainly not the first.
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Woah woah woah. Let’s not cloud this debate with logic and rationality.:D:D:D
 
That's not what is going on here. It's just that we've beaten this horse so many times six months ago that there's nothing left. We're not going to get any better answer out of the NCAA, making up some conspiracy theory isn't going to undo Friday night's loss, and it's just time to move on. What's done is done. You tell me: what is your end game, or your goal, to continually rehash this?
 
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Shades said:
That sounds like about the same issue Stevens (who had to sit a year) had with Duke.
Have you been following my research elsewhere on this topic? Seems like it.
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Yes I found your page on another site. It was helpful to try to understand this seemingly complex situation.
 
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Charliebball said:
If the new NCAA transfer rules pass in June this will no longer be an issue.if you have a 3.0 GPA or better you can transfer without sitting out a year...
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Unless the NCAA give one of its pet schools a waiver on the GPA, then it will still be an issue
 
HoopsFan21 said:
That's not what is going on here. It's just that we've beaten this horse so many times six months ago that there's nothing left. We're not going to get any better answer out of the NCAA, making up some conspiracy theory isn't going to undo Friday night's loss, and it's just time to move on. What's done is done. You tell me: what is your end game, or your goal, to continually rehash this?
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Maybe said poster (@scubadog) wasn't on this forum back when this was originally hashed??????
 
Padutch5 said:
Unless the NCAA give one of its pet schools a waiver on the GPA, then it will still be an issue
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one thing at a time.........frankly I don't know if I like the possible new rules or not...........could lead to incredible roster instability on a yearly basis...........of course I'd like to know what percentage of players have a 3.0 GPA..........
 
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