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Wasn't the ball on the rim too for Melos tip in? And I'm pretty sure Fair shuffled his feet before the shot
 
I watched the replay too, hence I started this thread.

Google the call, every article calls it a foul and even Cuse fans think it was a foul

there will always be exceptions. In this case, very very very few exceptions from either fan base or the media

Fair intentionally hacked and literally grabbed Smith, not sure how that's missed. Like I said, they're always exceptions
 
I also watched the replay pause by pause. Fair's foul was intentional after he was beaten. First he grabbbed/hacked Smith's arm several times to make sure he didn't get a shot off...THAT was the foul that first should have been called. Secondly, when Smith did attempt attempt to shoot falling backward he was fouled from behind again, probably not as blatant as the first foul. It was the arm grabbing/hacking that did not allow Smith to pass or to take a good shot... and it was an intentional foul by Cuse (and a smart play). The foul should have been called period.
 
HuskyFan32 said:
Wasn't the ball on the rim too for Melos tip in? And I'm pretty sure Fair shuffled his feet before the shot
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live, I saw the shuffle and thought it was a goal-tend. Didn't think Smith was fouled.

When I returned home to watch the replays, I saw the shuffle but I don't think Melo goaltended

Didn't even look at the very last play closely until I came on this board and saw so many people complaining about the no call. Went back to the video again and I couldn't believe my eyes.

WOW, that's all I can say, WOW
 
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willie99 said:
live, I saw the shuffle and thought it was a goal-tend. Didn't think Smith was fouled.

When I returned home to watch the replays, I saw the shuffle but I don't think Melo goaltended

Didn't even look at the very last play closely until I came on this board and saw so many people complaining about the no call. Went back to the video again and I couldn't believe my eyes.

WOW, that's all I can say, WOW
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Fair definitely walked, after looking again at the putback again looked like it came off..........
 
Roscoe had a strong game, but should have not been on the floor in that situation. As much as I hate to admit it, Cuse executed great strategy by covering Lamb and left Smith open. They gambled that he would not be a threat and unfortunately he proved that.
 
they gambled, Fair was beaten and then choose to mug Roscoe. If you want to argue they knew a foul wouldn't be called, then I may concur
 
Roscoe was fouled by my view, but I'm not upset at the no-call. I am more upset at the 17 point lead we spotted them, which creating the purpose for this discussion.
 
walker11 said:
All you need to do is go to the Cuse board and see their 3 page thread on this issue. The majority thought it was a very clear foul and some thought it was actually intentional.

FWIW, Scoe is a 70% FT shooter this year and 78% last year so its hardly a formality that he would miss one.
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But we also thought CJ Fair got fouled on the play before, too...we were lucky to have Melo clean up the weakside rebound and put it back in.
 
TexanMark said:
But we also thought CJ Fair got fouled on the play before, too...we were lucky to have Melo clean up the weakside rebound and put it back in.
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Drummond's arms were straight up, Fair initiated contact, and actually traveled before any contact even occurred.

I would not blame the loss on that one play at the end. Frequently refs were swallow the whistle there. This was nowhere near as awful as Marquette where the most brainless calls in history were made (no logic to them whatsoever).
 
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upstater said:
Drummond's arms were straight up, Fair initiated contact, and actually traveled before any contact even occurred.

I would not blame the loss on that one play at the end. Frequently refs were swallow the whistle there. This was nowhere near as awful as Marquette where the most brainless calls in history were made (no logic to them whatsoever).
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I didn't DVR the game and have to take your word for it (travel)...but I agree the whistle often gets swallowed the last 10 secs. It was an awesome game with two polar opposite halves. Pretty sure we'll see Round 3 in NYC. Good luck till then.
 
Kitaman said:
Roscoe was fouled by my view, but I'm not upset at the no-call. I am more upset at the 17 point lead we spotted them, which creating the purpose for this discussion.
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I'm with you. The listlessness with which they play for long stretches is amazing. It's the most pronounced area, to me, where they miss Calhoun. They sleepwalk for large portions of these games. Syracuse is a good (very good) offensive team, but against a defense that's indifferent it's not hard to look good. I feel like I could have gotten to the rim against that defense last night.
 
willie99 said:
they did hack Roscoe, Fair was actually intentionally fouling Smith

disgusting
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As Roscoe was 50% from that was exactly the smart thing for 'cuse to do: foul him hard, make sure that he doesn't get a shot off and take your chances at the line. I'm sure that Boeheim was as surprised as anyone that no foul was called.
 
TexanMark said:
I didn't DVR the game and have to take your word for it (travel)...but I agree the whistle often gets swallowed the last 10 secs. It was an awesome game with two polar opposite halves. Pretty sure we'll see Round 3 in NYC. Good luck till then.
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It usually gets swallowed on close plays, which I don't have a problem with. That one wasn't close - it was a foul.
 
Sportscenter has been showing this play close up and in slow motion today. I wasn't sure how much of a foul it was before, but after seeing that, it's clearly a foul. He was hacked and taken down from behind, no question. The commentator even said "Isn't that a foul? Isn't UConn at home?"
 
spoop said:
Sportscenter has been showing this play close up and in slow motion today. I wasn't sure how much of a foul it was before, but after seeing that, it's clearly a foul. He was hacked and taken down from behind, no question. The commentator even said "Isn't that a foul? Isn't UConn at home?"
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thank you
 
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One of our guards DID make a play. Lamb had the ball and two Syracuse guys came out to guard him and make sure that he didn't beat them with a three. So Lamb threaded the needle into Roscoe wide open at the foul line. Great read, great pass. Perhaps Roscoe should have taken the initial 15 footer, but I don't have a huge issue with going to the rim. He got the defense to react and had he been able to get a shot off there (i.e. no fouling from Fair), Drummond would have had a better chance at a tip-in. Had Roscoe shot the 15-footer, Drummond would have been boxed out.

Fair did everything he could to make the foul obvious - not his fault that the refs chose to ignore it.
 
Andre Drummond speaking about Roscoe:

"Roscoe is our X-factor…He played great defense."

I think Andre has been reading the boneyard:D
 
Here's a question - Had Roscoe not taken it to the hole but instead attempted a pass to AD, and caused a turnover, would we be screaming for him to have taken the shot instead?

Honestly, I was fine with either option. I think the better of the two was to pass to AD but I had no problem with him taking it to the basket. and in my opinion, I think he was fouled.
 
Having just watched the replay, I was wrong on one thing. Drummond would not have been blocked out if he shot the 15 footer. Melo was coming out to Roscoe and Fair was collapsing from the other side. Still don't mind the decision to try to catch the defense rushing out at him with a blow by, but in hindsight, the 15-footer would have been the more effective choice (most effective would be to sell Melo on the shot and dump it down to the block for an Andre dunk, but Fair probably would have done everything possible to get there and foul, which makes that pass risky, even if it looks open).
 
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I'm amazed by some of this.

1. It was a foul. Period. And probably a smart one at that. We are not going to get an even break from the zebras this year. I'm as anti-conspiracy theory as anyone but it's getting hard to hold that position.

2. Had Roscoe passed to Drummond, everyone had to pray that no one could grab Drummond before he dunked. I'm not saying the play wouldn't have worked, but in the huddle you have to have been told to be very careful before passing to Drummond.

3. My favorite is that Roscoe shouldn't have touched the ball there. Did you watch the comeback? Our halkfcourt offense was based on getting the ball to Roscoe just underneath the 3 in the 3-2. They were overplaying the guards and opening that space up for Roscoe. Someone wants to have a play that ignores what Syracuse was giving us and what they were leaving open? Great.
 
Just saw it on TV for the first time on ESPN U. I think fair took 4 steps. He does a jump skip and lands with two steps then picks up both feet to set himself. You can see it in the overhead shot, but its painfully obvious from the camera angle behind him. When you put that no call on both sides of the floor, that's when it really hurts.

No moral victories against the Cuse, but we looks like we are developing something.
 
UChusky916 said:
Cuse extended the D beyond the 3 to prevent the loss.

We did what he had to do and got the ball into the paint. Roscoe could have passed it, but he didn't. He got fouled. No call. Game over.

Can't get on Roscoe's case, we aren't in this game at all if it wasn't for him.
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I watched the replay again and initially I thought that Roscoe should have quickly put up the J and would have had AD camped to put in the rebound. But after watching it again, Roscoe had AD wide open to his left. It would have been an easy dump down and dunk for the tie. He didn't even have to do a hard upfake since Melo immediately ran out at him leaving AD wide open.

Lastly, unlike last season, UConn simply isn't getting the calls, especially at home. Roscoe was fouled 2 to 3 times on that play. Fair not only hacked him on the shot, but shoved him in the back pushing him right into Melo before his shot. If you're a ref you have to make that call.

I'm not blaming the loss on the refs, since IMO that game was lost on the glass and in the paint, with UConn giving up so many put-backs, second chance opportunities and uncontested drives right up the gut.

As far as effort and not giving up, I give them big time high marks. If they play this way from this point on, they're going to win a bunch of games.
 
husky91 said:
In all seriousness, no way that was a foul in that spot and do you think in a million years he would have made 2 FTs. He clunked 2 just a few minutes before.
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Are you kidding me? a foul is a foul at anytime in the game remember when they called a foul on Pitt 85 feet from the basket in that game vs Butler in the NCAA tournament a few years ago with like no time left if they call that a foul, there is no reason that a foul shouldn't have been called on Fair.
 
husky91 said:
Wasn't a takedown. It was a terrible play. No way he should have touched the ball other than a put back.
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Let's see, Fair first shoved him in the back, hacked his arm and pulled him down with his other hand...Yeah, I'd say that's a foul during any moment of a game. I don't know why, but UConn simply isn't getting these types of calls. Last season I thought we got some favorable officiating at times, not this year.
 
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