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Doctor Hoop said:
Now?
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What else is there except for now? I ask with no criticism of you at all. I could have asked the same question. It works either literally or rhetorically.

The past is unchangeable. The future is created one game at a time, with each completed game becoming a part of the past upon its completion.

There remains no shortage whatsoever of inventory and expression regarding the team's revealed weaknesses, failures, areas for improvement, worries, frustrations, concerns, and vulnerabilities.

What is the healthiest response for coaches, players, and fans?
caw said:
UCONNCreightonProvidenceXavierSeton HallMarquette
Q3/4 GamesALL11-19-113-08-19-112-0
OOC
Q1/Q2 (N)
3-02-30-21-21-10-1
Q1/Q2 (H)
1-00-00-01-10-11-1
Q1/Q2 (A)
1-00-10-11-01-10-1
BE
Q1/Q2 (H)2-14-02-05-01-34-0
Q1/Q2 (A)1-52-34-34-12-33-3
BET
NCAAT

UConn can't win on the road against the other teams in the top 6 of the BE. Now of course you may be wondering, why are four of those teams undefeated at home against top competition in conference but have road wins against Q1/Q2 in conference.

PC's four road wins come against Butler, SHU, SJU and Nova
Creighton's two against Butler and SHU
Marquette's against SJU, SHU and Nova
X's against Butler, Nova and SJU (and yes UConn)
SHU's two against Butler and SJU

Basically the top four are undefeated at home against the other five in the top six. UConn has lost once to X and SHU has lost to all their tough home games except UConn (put back away from being 0-fer).

So people are correct that UConn has been really bad on the road this year in the BE, but pulling back so has every other top BE team except X. And the only big difference right now is UConn's one point loss to SHU from UConn having the same road record as the top four teams in the BE. Now maybe that's a bit of poor coaching on the coaches, or maybe it's a mix of a ton of factors including luck.

Who knows what will happen going forward from here but UConn hasn't been as bad as it appears. Winning at Creighton (or any of the top 6 not named SHU) would have been a true aberration not just for UConn but for the entire top of the BE.

It wouldn't shock me if X ends the BE season with the only road win against the group of UConn/X/PC/Creighton/Marquette.

I am not discussing the SJU loss as this is a discussion about road wins.
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Rocktheworld said:
Wait so Alabama, ISU, Oregon, and Creighton are all outside the top 50?
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No. There is a distinction between Neutral site and Away games.

This year, Dan Hurley has 3 significant first-time achievements as UConn head coach:

Won an early season neutral court tournament.
Won a true road game against a P5 opponent.
Won a game over Creighton.

He has yet to win a true road game against a ranked opponent.
He has yet to win an NCAA Tournament game.
He has yet to defeat Sean Miller or Shaheen Holloway.

Many posters are sad, angry, frustrated, impatient, pessimistic, upset, unhappy, and/or otherwise dissatisfied with the 'not yet' items being in 'not yet' status.

This results in many past- or future-oriented posts, because doing so is a common way of dealing with uncomfortable emotions.

Most do not express their emotions in personally responsible language in The Boneyard. I speculate that it is too threatening for most posters to expose themselves with such vulnerability, whether they are consciously aware of this or not.
 
Hey Adrien! said:
Sums up my sentiment too.

I entered the year very open-minded about Hurley but if we struggle in the BET and the tourney no one would be more disappointed than Hurley himself .

In that scenario, firing him this off-season would be stupid but his seat, and Hurley would agree justifiably so, would definitely be warm.

IMO, he’s recruited too well to give up on him. I want to see the ‘22 and ‘23 classes together for at least one season.
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There is a 0% chance he’s getting fired after this season or after next season
 
Rocktheworld said:
My dad went to Seton Hall and told me that he coaches just like he played after our second or third loss and I mentioned Hurley’s coaching demeanor (dad doesn’t really watch much UConn)
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Played a little better when he returned to Seton Hall after taking a year off and played under Blaney, but was never a dynamic PG
 
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Hans Sprungfeld said:
No. There is a distinction between Neutral site and Away games.

This year, Dan Hurley has 3 significant first-time achievements as UConn head coach:

Won an early season neutral court tournament.
Won a true road game against a P5 opponent.
Won a game over Creighton.

He has yet to win a true road game against a ranked opponent.
He has yet to win an NCAA Tournament game.
He has yet to defeat Sean Miller or Shaheen Holloway.

Many posters are sad, angry, frustrated, impatient, pessimistic, upset, unhappy, and/or otherwise dissatisfied with the 'not yet' items being in 'not yet' status.

This results in many past- or future-oriented posts, because doing so is a common way of dealing with uncomfortable emotions.

Most do not express their emotions in personally responsible language in The Boneyard. I speculate that it is too threatening for most posters to expose themselves with such vulnerability, whether they are consciously aware of this or not.
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Can't really count the Holloway stat against him when he was out with COVID.
 
zls44 said:
Jim Calhoun: one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport, can be reasonably argued to be the best.

The Boneyard: why isn't Dan Hurley as good as Jim Calhoun. Its simple! Just be that guy!

I think the close games thing will end up like "why can't JC make a Final Four?" Eventually it'll happen and then it'll be fine. But until it does, everyone is gonna be big mad about it, even though its clearly just random noise.
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7-24 in Hurley's tenure in games decided by 5 points or less.

I could understand chalking it up as some random noise or or lucky/unlucky if the record was something like 15-16 or 14-17 in close games but it's obviously something much more when the numbers are that out of whack. When it seemed destined for yesterday's game to come down to the wire I didn't think there was any way we were winning it because we simply don't win those games.
 
huskysupporter said:
But he is a great recruiter!!!! And he gets the team in great shape in KenPom rankings!!!!!!!
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This is a silly argument. Talent wins most of the time, and Kenpom (and other computer metrics like NET) are what get us seeding in the tournament.

It's pretty obvious that we have some issues winning on the road. Saying "the objective metrics that rank teams don't matter" is just plain old foolishness.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I think Hurley has faults, but again what are expectations? We beat a Top 10 team at home and lose a close road game against a top 25 team with a very good home court.

So many of you haven't adjusted expectations after the 14-0 start. We're where most of us thought we'd be - around the top 25. Of course the Hall and St. John's losses sucked, but everyone has wtf losses.
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My frustration comes from the fact that our losses all look the same way. Close games in the final couple minutes and we just find ways to lose instead of finding a way to win. It’s painful lol. If we are in a one or two possession game with less than 3 minutes left, we are likely going to lose.
 
The Andre dilemma has been discussed quite thoroughly, but aside from giving him fewer minutes there really has been no constructive solution offered.

Most posters are saying Hurley should give some combination of Allyene, Diarra or Clingan more minutes at the expense of Jackson.

This approach, of course, comes with pros and cons and many variables.

But even if his minutes were reduced, Jackson will play significant minutes going forward. Rebounding, defense, energy against his lack of offense is the dilemma.

My question is, what should be done when Ajax has the ball at the three point line and his defender is sagging way off and disrupting the offense?

Seriously, what can be done? Jackson can shoot, and probably needs to take the shot at least a few times a game, but that has most often not helped the team.

Instead, what sort of play or action can free sanogo or Hawkins? What is newton’s role in that situation? is there a way for Hurley to counter that defensive strategy? What are the Xs and Os here to result in a quality shot?

We haven’t seen a consistent answer yet in the games or on this board so I’m throwing it out there.
 
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husky429 said:
This is a silly argument. Talent wins most of the time, and Kenpom (and other computer metrics like NET) are what get us seeding in the tournament.

It's pretty obvious that we have some issues winning on the road. Saying "the objective metrics that rank teams don't matter" is just plain old foolishness.
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Why aren't we winning when we have more talent?

It can be argued Creighton is at the same level as UConn in terms of talent but I don't see any way one can argue with a straight face that any other Big East teams have as much talent as UConn.
 
aburks41 said:
My frustration comes from the fact that our losses all look the same way. Close games in the final couple minutes and we just find ways to lose instead of finding a way to win. It’s painful lol. If we are in a one or two possession game with less than 3 minutes left, we are likely going to lose.
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Release yourself from the "lol," lean into the pain, and be part of the process that shifts from concentrating on what we dislike and do not want.
 
microfich said:
This was the McDermott moment.
When the teams came out after Timeout 1 he was going deny on the inbound in the backcourt. When he saw Danny was planning to push it to Adama or Andre up high near mid-court to likely dish off to the open wing coming down either side, McDermott called Timeout 2 and switched from deny at inbound to surround at midcourt.
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Were you in the huddle for these timeouts? LOL
 
Basically, next year should be his last chance. We don’t win close games. For me it is clear that we have as much talent if not more than any other big east team. This is not an x and o conversation. I don’t want to get into a discussion about game strategy etc. All this comes down too is; can you make your team mentally strong enough to win more close games then it loses. We don’t win close games since he became coach. UConn is a brand and now that they are in the big east they will recruit. If we don’t make a run and get at least to the second weekend, his job has to be on the line next year. This is not personal he has gotten us back to respectable on the national stage, but did he really have more to do with it than uconn joining the big east. It is getting close for the clock to start ticking. Consistently middle of the pack is not going to satisfy this fan base.
 
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Adama developed a 3 point shot over the summer, and is effective when he is wide open with his feet set. I thought Andre also worked on it over the summer? If Adama could do it, Andre can do it too. If he is open he needs to shoot in rhythm, but not overthink it. Seems mental at least with the wide open 3.
 
I think from the corner he should try to drive the baseline and try to score or attempt to draw contact and draw a foul. Or drive from corner and kick out to opposite wing for a shot…occasional take a 3 if he can relax first before the shot….as for top of the key, he needs to step in to foul line, relax, set his feet and take the shot, like a foul shot where he is 68%.

Other times just keep the ball moving as with this said, you want to limit his outside shot attempts to around 5.

Would be interested to hear other solutions.
 
tentoes4rings said:
When you fire up 27 threes you’re not going to get to the line too much. Good teams take it to the rim against us and get calls, while we settle for threes.
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And from listening to Hurley’s post game interview, firing up threes is by design.
 
Andre will never be a shooter….his form is absolutely horrific. Even his free throws are a mess.

He just needs to find ways to make the defense pay for leaving him wide open. My idea….move towards the rim. If they are 12’ off of you, take those 12’ - make them do something.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I think Hurley has faults, but again what are expectations? We beat a Top 10 team at home and lose a close road game against a top 25 team with a very good home court.

So many of you haven't adjusted expectations after the 14-0 start. We're where most of us thought we'd be - around the top 25. Of course the Hall and St. John's losses sucked, but everyone has wtf losses.
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I think it’s fair to think we’d compete for the Big East championship with the talent we have. It was the goal coming into the season.
 
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I would bring him off the bench, not necessarily cut his minutes, but stagger them so he’s playing more with the 2nd unit, and try to play faster and get out and run when he’s out there. And offensively he needs to be active, setting screens, cutting, etc. He can’t just be standing in the corner.
 
Everything Andre does need to be near the rim. Have him be the roll man on pick and rolls to get him going towards the basket so his man has to respect him… if he doesn’t and the defense helps he can still be a great passer finding the open guy.

At this point teams do not have to respect him on ball or at the 3 point line. With Sanogo’s ability to shoot we can really play 5 out with Andre as a roller seamlessly. Even when DC in the game we can do it because he’s a lob threat.

Hurley has to find a way to make him effective offensively. Shooting more threes is not the answer.
 
Think the only thing he is capable of is the one thing he is afraid to do and that’s drive at the basket and try to draw fouls. I’m not sure he can do anything else. He can’t hit floaters or any jump shot so just use your athletic ability to force the defense to foul you or draw enough attention to dump it off to big…
 
Fishy said:
Andre will never be a shooter….his form is absolutely horrific. Even his free throws are a mess.

He just needs to find ways to make the defense pay for leaving him wide open. My idea….move towards the rim. If they are 12’ off of you, take those 12’ - make them do something.
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Well he tried that yesterday with his god awful floaters from 12 ft out. I hate that shot so much. It comes out of his hand extremely flat and he leaves it short 80% of the time.
Vancat said:
I'm always puzzled as to how someone like AJ gets to this level without being able to put the ball in the hoop. Don't get me wrong, I love Andre, it just makes no sense.
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Kids who are athletic as Andre can dominate in high school because they are just simply that much faster, stronger, and more athletic than everyone else. Look up his high school highlight reels, he was able to carve up defenses like a stud, but that didn’t translate to college.
 
zls44 said:
Jim Calhoun: one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport, can be reasonably argued to be the best.

The Boneyard: why isn't Dan Hurley as good as Jim Calhoun. Its simple! Just be that guy!

I think the close games thing will end up like "why can't JC make a Final Four?" Eventually it'll happen and then it'll be fine. But until it does, everyone is gonna be big mad about it, even though its clearly just random noise.
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I think 23 games is enough of a sample to say there's something to it. That doesn't mean he can't improve; part of what makes teams tough down the stretch is having a PG on the floor that can take over the game. Not necessarily dominate, but make good decisions and get a bucket when nothing else is available. Hurley hasn't had that yet here (which is on him). I'd be willing to bet things improve next year when we have a legitimate stud point guard.
 
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