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How long does Ollie have left to prove he can win again at Uconn?

How long does Ollie have left?

  • Out before next season

    Votes: 4 2.2%

  • Gets dreaded vote of confidence but out after this year

    Votes: 19 10.4%

  • If he gets this team to 20 wins it buys him another year

    Votes: 79 43.4%

  • Plays out the 5 year contract

    Votes: 53 29.1%

  • Retires here

    Votes: 27 14.8%
  • Total voters
    182
  • Poll closed .
TRest said:
As someone who actually attended pre-BE teams in the Fieldhouse, I still think KO better get his ass in gear. And I paid good money to watch teams featuring Eddie Williams and Spider Ursury.
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Fast Eddie Williams. He was in a couple of my classes. Air Force vet was older I recall. Good post TRest.
Ollie needs to get it gear and start recruiting all players. Not just projects from third world nations.
 
Alum86 said:
Not just projects from third world nations.
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I remember that time he filled the roster with those.

Just kidding - what are you smoking?
 
Stairmaster said:
You say these losses are unacceptable. What, in your mind, is the appropriate consequence for such a loss?
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No one loss, or even a handful of particularly bad losses are going to get a Head Coach fired. Obviously.

However, when they become more common and the overall health of the program is also in decline, it's going to bring a lot more scrutiny on the head man in charge.

I think the overall quality and more importantly, the consistency of play as a program has really been trending downward the past three seasons.

The bad losses, the poor regular season records and lack of player development are all part of the bigger picture, which just hasn't been up to standard lately.

Given the exodus of players I don't expect a good season next year, but I also think it's put up or shut up time with Ollie and if they completely tank (think like 10-20) he could be gone.
 
Huskybass said:
Not trying to be difficult, honest question:

How often does something that "off" get turned around?

Even during JC's 9-19 season people were psyched about the future, today not so much.
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First off, I was amongst the fans who wanted to see KO earn a long term deal and felt Warde was pressured into giving him one because he was anointed by JC. I don't think there is anything wrong with making someone prove themselves. Yeah, he won it all but he did it with a fabulous backcourt duo and JC's team. I wanted to see him have success with his own team too. He hasn't and I've seen quite a bit that I haven't liked.

That being said, I think KO is a Husky through and through. He's paid his dues in the NBA and I think he knows the game and knows how to work with a myriad of personalities. Given that, he needs a chance to right his mistakes. One year isn't enough but two years is a fairer span.

Can he do it? I hope so.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
These things seem irreconcilable.
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I see what you're saying, but let me be a little clearer.

I think at UConn the floor for a "good season" should consist of a Top 3 finish in AAC regular season, with an overall body of work to reach the NCAAs as a seed of say 5-7 (avoid the 1 seed in round 2).

If they put up a borderline NIT year, but players show improvement, consistency improves, but we finish with 14-16 wins (similar to this year) I think you have no choice but to look towards 2018/2019.

What I'm saying is if the wheels completely come off, then you really need to take a look at the Head Coach.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I see what you're saying, but let me be a little clearer.

I think at UConn the floor for a "good season" should consist of a Top 3 finish in AAC regular season, with an overall body of work to reach the NCAAs as a seed of say 5-7 (avoid the 1 seed in round 2).

If they put up a borderline NIT year, but players show improvement, consistency improves, but we finish with 14-16 wins (similar to this year) I think you have no choice but to look towards 2018/2019.

What I'm saying is if the wheels completely come off, then you really need to take a look at the Head Coach.
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Fair enough. I think that's about right. I echo whoever said they lament the fact that we're probably wasting Jalen Adams.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I see what you're saying, but let me be a little clearer.

I think at UConn the floor for a "good season" should consist of a Top 3 finish in AAC regular season, with an overall body of work to reach the NCAAs as a seed of say 5-7 (avoid the 1 seed in round 2).

If they put up a borderline NIT year, but players show improvement, consistency improves, but we finish with 14-16 wins (similar to this year) I think you have no choice but to look towards 2018/2019.

What I'm saying is if the wheels completely come off, then you really need to take a look at the Head Coach.
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This offseason is KO's chance to demonstrate that he can critically evaluate his own program, make the necessary changes, and get the right people in place.

If come next offseason, we're still hearing about players not willing to work hard or simply not improving, friction in the locker room, top (local) recruits shunning us, etc., that's evidence that he has failed in that process and Benedict can start drafting the walking papers. Some of this will be evident from on-court results as well.
 
Stairmaster said:
You say these losses are unacceptable. What, in your mind, is the appropriate consequence for such a loss?
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My wife says me forgetting to take out the trash is unacceptable. What is the appropriate consequence? Divorce?

That's basically the straw-man argument you're setting up.
 
Ollie gets a full 5 years until the end of his contract.
 
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Stairmaster said:
You say these losses are unacceptable. What, in your mind, is the appropriate consequence for such a loss?
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Obviously a lifetime contract for KO, participation trophies for all the players, and a nice cushy seat for you to place atop your soapbox so you can be comfortable as you lecture everyone as if you were the be all, end all of fandom.
 
I'm of the opinion that Ollie could very well be a successful NBA coach and that it better fits both his philosophy and his approach. I've said for a while that he approaches the season like an NBA coach. Win enough to get a decent seed in the league tournament then try to win from there on. You can do that in the NBA and maybe the ACC but not in our league. His offensive approach is an NBA style too. That style is not used by successful college teams. Even successful NBA teams are getting away from it.
 
UCDaveD said:
Damn near lost to Loyola Marymount too. And I believe we were in a tie game with Chaminade as late at 10 minutes through the second half.
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Adding to your point about Chaminade...this season was such a disaster that we as husky fans all year counted the Chaminade game as a win...even though the ncaa doesn't...(D II)
 
Stairmaster said:
So the team wasn't going to gel and improve as the year went on. Got it, Nostradamus.
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Maybe they should have gel'ed enough in the preseason to beat those schools..... no? You must be related to Ollie. Yes they will improve although not so much over the last three season. The problem with your pass on being losers and getting better is they may have costed them selves an at large bid after two games into the season. #makeuconngreatagain
 
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Yeah said:
Munster, I liked your post except this meme always bothers me. Do you mean the historically successful team of 2012?
Or when Ollie inherited Kemba, Roscoe, Lamb and Andre?

Even Bazz had a good freshman year followed by a much lesser sophomore year.
Our bench was deeper in 2012 But graduation and 5 guys taking off depleted that and Ollie was left with the ban and reduced scholarships to deal with.

Everyone left on Ollie's team was far more talented for Ollie than Calhoun (except Tyler)
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traitor71 said:
Obviously a lifetime contract for KO, participation trophies for all the players, and a nice cushy seat for you to place atop your soapbox so you can be comfortable as you lecture everyone as if you were the be all, end all of fandom.
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Post/pic/handle
 
RJScootin said:
Maybe they should have gel'ed enough in the preseason to beat those schools..... no? You must be related to Ollie. Yes they will improve although not so much over the last three season. The problem with your pass on being losers and getting better is they may have costed them selves an at large bid after two games into the season. #makeuconngreatagain
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Post/pic?
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I see what you're saying, but let me be a little clearer.

I think at UConn the floor for a "good season" should consist of a Top 3 finish in AAC regular season, with an overall body of work to reach the NCAAs as a seed of say 5-7 (avoid the 1 seed in round 2).

If they put up a borderline NIT year, but players show improvement, consistency improves, but we finish with 14-16 wins (similar to this year) I think you have no choice but to look towards 2018/2019.

What I'm saying is if the wheels completely come off, then you really need to take a look at the Head Coach.
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Sounds really good. But given the current roster what is your player to player expectations?
Or are you expecting that getting Harris and a decent big (Sondra, Enis) is a given?

Because otherwise all you are doing is setting KO up to fail next season.

I'd prefer waiting two seasons to see what type of recruits KO and company bring in for 2018 and see how those recruits develop. But that's just me.
 
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John said:
you have to give the guy credit too - you don't see UConn kids in the paper for embarrassing reasons anymore. By all accounts they seem to be good university citizens and taking care of business in the classroom.
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The good citizens and putting the classroom on a pedestal days - are Officially Over! Back to winning basketball as a priority!
 
fleudslipcon said:
Sounds really good. But given the current roster what is your player to player expectations?
Or are you expecting that getting Harris and a decent big (Sondra, Enis) is a given?

Because otherwise all you are doing is setting KO up to fail next season.

I'd prefer waiting two seasons to see what type of recruits KO and company bring in for 2018 and see how those recruits develop. But that's just me.
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KO set KO up to fail. The guy has been our head coach for 5 years, but now we have to wait another 4 years to judge him? By this logic, Diaco should have had at least 10 years to prove himself here.
 
WestHartHusk said:
KO set KO up to fail. The guy has been our head coach for 5 years, but now we have to wait another 4 years to judge him? By this logic, Diaco should have had at least 10 years to prove himself here.
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When did Bob win a NC against hall of fame coaches?
 
fleudslipcon said:
When did Bob win a NC against hall of fame coaches?
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This is no defense of FHCBD, but it's not exactly like he had a HOF coach hand him a stocked team that was ready to go. KO coached them well, but let's not pretend what BD and KO walked into was even remotely comparable.
 
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