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The actual quote is "we got a whole bunch of gangstas in the locker room." He continued to say "Not thugs but gangstas," but for me, it was over after the first gangstas.
 
It's definitely not all on Cincy. If that fight breaks out in front of the other bench it's on Xavier. Cronin handled the presser like a man, but only time will tell on how he follows thru. This incident is 50-50 on both squads for not understanding that a rivalry means trying to beat the opposing team in basketball, and not in MMA.
 
Man I like Holloway as a player but that was some really dumb stuff.

Cincy looks a lot worse in this fight for two reasons, it was in front of the Cincy bench so more players were involved right away and Gates connected, others from both teams were throwing punches but Gates just straight up demolished his opponent.

Probably knocks Cincy out of the NCAA's and severely changes Xavier's season. Creepy thing is reading Xavier fans' reaction.
 
wpq4elamin said:
you gotta have at least some respect for Cronin based on his comments... we shall see what happens with suspensions, but at least he said some good things... the only think I would have shied away from was talking about any Xavier guys in the presser... although he was guided towards some questions about them... i would have paid to watch Cronin try to take a jersey off of one of his players... I bet it was some sort of scene in the locker rooms after the game
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I agree, I thought Cronin was good. Best comment was that the Big East refs don't put up with that crap. Clearly looks the refs were out of their league in controlling the game
 
After his gangsta quote there is absolutely no way that that Holloway can win player of the year
 
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People that want to throw it all, or the majority of it on Cincy are reacting to one thing-the punch. I don't know what went on in the lead up to the game, but Xavier was certainly doing their fair share of talking and instigating. They are all at fault here and the Xavier post game comments just confirm what their mindset was headed into this thing. These guys all seemed very willing to get into it once it all started.
 
baggerbob said:
Halloway can kiss his NBA career away with his comments, no way anyone's going to take a chance on someone with that kind of attitude.
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You must mean the National Bowling Association because the NBA that I know this behavior will fit right in.
 
RichZ said:
The actual quote is "we got a whole bunch of gangstas in the locker room." He continued to say "Not thugs but gangstas," but for me, it was over after the first gangstas.
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Meh.
The word "gansta" means something different to an 18 year old black kid from the ghetto than it does to a bunch of pot bellied white guys like us pontificating on a message board.
He clearly wasn't trying to say that they were criminals.
He was trying to say that they would not be pushed around.
If he had used "tough dudes" or "fighters" then there would have been nothing said about the comment.

Regarding who started it.

Well, the guy on X who double arm pushed the dude to the ground is the chowder head who deserves the harshest punishment, in my opinion. Of them all. If he doesn't do that, you probably get a whistle and a double T.

Instead, you get that.
 
Prezidint said:
Meh.
The word "gansta" means something different to an 18 year old black kid from the ghetto than it does to a bunch of pot bellied white guys like us pontificating on a message board.
He clearly wasn't trying to say that they were criminals.
He was trying to say that they would not be pushed around.
If he had used "tough dudes" or "fighters" then there would have been nothing said about the comment.

Regarding who started it.

Well, the guy on X who double arm pushed the dude to the ground is the chowder head who deserves the harshest punishment, in my opinion. Of them all. If he doesn't do that, you probably get a whistle and a double T.

Instead, you get that.
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How on earth do you know what he was trying to say??? aren't you a "pot bellied white guy"???

Heres what the Urban dictionary says;



1. gangsta
A sociopathic member of the inner-city underclass, known primarily for being antisocial and uneducated. Also known for ready access to illegal drugs and weapons, and staggeringly poor marksmanship.
:)
 
I think you can come away feeling embarrassed about it, no matter what 'gangsta' means to you or how you perceive that he meant it.

One issue that is clear is that he is a college senior. He should have handled himself better.
 
Prezidint said:
Meh.
The word "gansta" means something different to an 18 year old black kid from the ghetto than it does to a bunch of pot bellied white guys like us pontificating on a message board.
He clearly wasn't trying to say that they were criminals.
He was trying to say that they would not be pushed around.
If he had used "tough dudes" or "fighters" then there would have been nothing said about the comment.

Regarding who started it.

Well, the guy on X who double arm pushed the dude to the ground is the chowder head who deserves the harshest punishment, in my opinion. Of them all. If he doesn't do that, you probably get a whistle and a double T.

Instead, you get that.
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I resent your blantantly racist comment!!
Not all pot bellied guys are white.
 
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Didn't it seem obvious that he meant they have tough kids that aren't going to get pushed around? That seemed pretty clear to me.

I kind of like the "zip em up" motto, to be honest. I wish Shabazz had come up with that.
 
jleves said:
Kind of hard to walk away from sucker shots and guys relentlessy charging and throwing punches.

90% of the actions and responsibility lies with Cincy.
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How do you figure the responsibility lies with Cincinnati after watching the vid? Wells push represented 10%? No question the 3 Xavier guards right now are playing (basketball) better than any trio of guards in America (and are tough minded kids). The events leading up to the Gates punch however appear to be instigated primarily by Xavier players particularly Wells. Things escalated after that.
 
The kid embarrassed the school bottom line....his audience that is behind the camera and the notebooks can't relate to his gangsta and zip em up references. Poor job by that kid and Xavier comes out of this thing looking anything but lily white.
 
Looked to me when the Cincy and X player were face to face at end of game a X player instead of breaking it up or trying to he pushed the Cincy guy and the rest is history. Not thinking Cincy is in any way looking good in all this but not really liking the X thing also. Big repercussions.
 
Fishy said:
Not the players - they're garden-variety idiots.

But how duck*ing dumb is the Xavier athletic department to put those dumb bastards front and center during the post game press conference?

It was so bad and then they managed to put a schmuck like Holloway out there to rep their university where he basically dug a huge hole and threw their basketball program into it.[/q
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I've got to say, that may be the first time I"ve been impressed with Mick Cronin. Notice his players were nowhere in sight.
 
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baggerbob said:
Halloway can kiss his NBA career away with his comments, no way anyone's going to take a chance on someone with that kind of attitude.
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See Ron Artest oops, I mean Metta World Peace
 
Rather than putting percentages I'll say that the responsibility of this lays with the refs, the coaches and the players on both teams. Unlike the incident in China, the audience is absolved. The NCAA will have a lot of video to examine in determining punishments.

The BE is certainly in the lead for bench clearing brawls. I can't wait for the Cinci, Georgtown matchup. Of course Cinci will most likely be missing most of its heavy hitters.

Cronin said the right things including that his job might be on the line. It was damage control, but a good part of it was to keep his job. I guess a private Jesuit, Catholic University doesn't put the fear of G*d in you like a state public university otherwise Chris Mack would have been out there preaching discipline like Cronin.

Of course Mack has more to lose than Cronin, whose team is certainly not the team people projected. Mack wouldn't dare throw some of his teams culprits off the team because his team has a chance to do something special in the tournament this season.
 
jleves said:
Kind of hard to walk away from sucker shots and guys relentlessy charging and throwing punches.

90% of the actions and responsibility lies with Cincy.
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Little off target there, jleves...no excuse for what the Cincy players did but the Xavier players got physical first...their freshman forward pushed the Cincy player who was face-to-face with Holloway to the ground (blindsided him in fact) and then started throwing roundhouses at Cincy players (most of which missed) but all before Cincy's thuggery
 
The tall skinny scrub from Cincy came right off the bench throwing roundhouses as soon as the Cincy player was shoved. He was pulled away, and two X guys went after him throwing punches as he was being restrained. I think Xavier is more responsible for there being an incident, but that scrub's actions were most responsible for it deteriorating into a brawl and not just pushing/shoving/jawing. And Gates basically took a cheap shot a stationary target who couldn't see it coming - just cowardly (not as cowardly as stomping on a guy on the ground). But if one of the X guys had landed a punch on the skinny scrub being restrained, they wouldve been equally cowardly, so that's just the product of results and not intention. And maybe it wouldve just been jawing without the Wells shove, and maybe nothing wouldve happened if Holloway doesn't try to spend the last 15 seconds shooting his mouth off like a punk. Pretty much no winners in this one.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Didn't it seem obvious that he meant they have tough kids that aren't going to get pushed around? That seemed pretty clear to me.

I kind of like the "zip em up" motto, to be honest. I wish Shabazz had come up with that.
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It doesn't matter what he meant. Considering everything that got them to that point, it was simply time to be quiet and just give some "canned" responses to the questions he was being asked. There is simply a time to take some medicine and move on, instead they magnified things.

Idiots.
 
huskyharry said:
Little off target there, jleves...no excuse for what the Cincy players did but the Xavier players got physical first...their freshman forward pushed the Cincy player who was face-to-face with Holloway to the ground (blindsided him in fact) and then started throwing roundhouses at Cincy players (most of which missed) but all before Cincy's thuggery
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Weird - I posted something that didn't show up. Basically, after reading comments and rewatching video and bits of the presser, I'm moving closer to 50/50 but I can't get all the way there. Xavier definitely lit the fuse with the two handed throw down, but it could have and should have turned to pushing and shoving waiting for your coaches and other players to pull you away. Instead is instantly escalated into not only throwing punches, but escaping your coaches to find another kid to hit. The head stomping was just ridiculous. There is a Xavier kid throwing punches in the corner, but he stops as soon as he is grabbed by players and coaches. The Cincy kids were looking for more. Bottom line, any team other than Cincy and this does not escalate to a bloody brawl, hence they deserve more than half the blame. I can go 65/35 or 60/40.

As to the original question - really stupid to have the kids up there in the first place. Even dumber to have not prepared them. Be contrite - apologize - feel remorse for a game ending like that. Maybe not call yourselves gangstas. Simple things....
 
traitor71 said:
It doesn't matter what he meant. Considering everything that got them to that point, it was simply time to be quiet and just give some "canned" responses to the questions he was being asked. There is simply a time to take some medicine and move on, instead they magnified things.

Idiots.
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Remember though many of these are still immature kids, 2 years removed from high school with little or no PR training. They simply shouldn't have been on the podium. Talking tough is normal for kids with high testosterone and big egos, especially after a physical fight with a crosstown rival. I don't fully blame the kids, many don't know what the 'high road' is yet. Think also the emotions running through their system. It was pure posturing.

Not condoning their words or actions, but I do understand where they were coming from. Just a bad post game decision by Xaiver.
 
i dont think he meant gangsta in the way the guy above is saying. Gangsta has tons of meanings. He could of easily said tough guys that dont back down, its the same thing.
 
Regardless of what he "meant," what he said has certain denotations and connotations that other words simply don't have. It's poor word choice, and, whether he meant it or not, it glorifies a pretty bad lifestyle, and one that brings suffering to all sorts of people.
 
Gangsta has tons of meanings. "I deeply regret what happened and would like to apologize for my actions" -- that doesn't.
 
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