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How does the nightmare end?

How does the Ollie error end?


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Very likely it's a little of A and a little of E. We attempt to fire Ollie for cause after the season once more is known/leaked about the investigation because Benedict can't wait any longer.

Ollie fights for his money since program hasn't officially been punished (yet?). We settle for something less than full buyout.
 
My position is that Dan Hurley is the only coach that I would fire KO for. Firing KO will cause an exodus of player from the program (especially with new transfer rules) which would send the program further into the black hole of non-competativeness, and I would rather give KO 1 more year because if we do fire him we will be worse in 2018/19, might as well give him a shot. I would however tolerate the rebuild if the man leading it is Dan Hurley.

you dont think the way this team has performed will scare them anyway?
 
you dont think the way this team has performed will scare them anyway?
I think Akinjo is the real deal, not tre young level but good enough with gilbert, vital, and company to lead us back to the tourney. Losing KO almost certainly means losing Akinjo and a lot more, the next coach would have no roster and it would likely be 2 years (if optimistic) just to get a real roster. I think that’s something that’s being over looked by the fire Ollie crowd. We won’t get better this year, next year, or the year after that by firing KO.
 
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I think "likes" are the most underrated criteria when assessing a posters inherent talents. Just like in life the more people that like you the more money and success you have. This isn't rocket science/Einsteinesque stuff here. JMHO ;)
 
I think "likes" are the most underrated criteria when assessing a posters inherent talents. Just like in life the more people that like you the more money and success you have. This isn't rocket science/Einsteinesque stuff here. JMHO ;)

"Likes" are a horrible criterion, basically measuring how attuned are you to the id of the board.

Insightful, analytical posts rarely get more likes than a content-free cheerleading post.
 
I wonder if Calhoun would be willing to return in some sort of consulting role.
 
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Ganim becomes governor bulldozes the rent to build Connecticut's 17th casino and the national championships sign on 84 is removed to make way for tolls.

Uconn athletics resurfaces in the patriot around 2023
 
I can't believe anyone even keeps track of that stuff. I would argue that you want to be below 1:1. The average person on this board is a dope. You want more of these monkeys to disagree with you than agree.
I'm in great shape then.
 
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It’s doesnt take 4 yrs to rebuild
It takes 2 full seasons to rebuild usually in CBB, but why fire a coach and rebuild again when you’re already in year 2 of a rebuild. Firing Ollie this year makes 0 logistical sense, if we struggle next year I’ll be the first to call for Ollie to be gone. But dysfunctional programs and pro teams make the mistake of firing coaches too soon and being stuck in the eternal rebuild. Heck even the Browns are giving Hue Jackson one more year. Turnover at the coaching level is the number one thing that keeps programs irrelevant, we have to at least give KO the 2 years needed to rebuild.
 
I can't believe anyone even keeps track of that stuff. I would argue that you want to be below 1:1. The average person on this board is a dope. You want more of these monkeys to disagree with you than agree.
To be sure, some people game the system by being unpleasant and wrong headed.
 
My position is that Dan Hurley is the only coach that I would fire KO for. Firing KO will cause an exodus of player from the program (especially with new transfer rules) which would send the program further into the black hole of non-competativeness, and I would rather give KO 1 more year because if we do fire him we will be worse in 2018/19, might as well give him a shot. I would however tolerate the rebuild if the man leading it is Dan Hurley.
What team have you been watching this year? We stuggled against Stoney brook and Columbia and have had our doors blown off more times in program history. It really can’t get much worse...
 
What team have you been watching this year? We stuggled against Stoney brook and Columbia and have had our doors blown off more times in program history. It really can’t get much worse...
Stop being dramatic this team is bad, but you know what would be worse is if we fired KO and lost half the roster to transfers. The new coach won’t be able to salvage a decent team recruiting in the 2018 class, because by that point most impact kids would be signed. If that happens count the 2019 season over before it starts, also the new coach would be behind on the 2019 recruiting front. Count out essentially every kid we’re in on we would have to start over with the whole class. Best case scenario if the coach can recruit we would have a team full of freshman and transfers for the 2020, just like this year. So the fire KO crowd is looking at the 2021 season before we have a team that can compete again. Does this sound like a better or worse scenario than we are currently in with KO if we allow him to try and turn it around next year with a team that has sophomores Carlton, Polley, and Whaley with shooters coming in Akinjo and Williams.
 
Stop being dramatic this team is bad, but you know what would be worse is if we fired KO and lost half the roster to transfers. The new coach won’t be able to salvage a decent team recruiting in the 2018 class, because by that point most impact kids would be signed. If that happens count the 2019 season over before it starts, also the new coach would be behind on the 2019 recruiting front. Count out essentially every kid we’re in on we would have to start over with the whole class. Best case scenario if the coach can recruit we would have a team full of freshman and transfers for the 2020, just like this year. So the fire KO crowd is looking at the 2021 season before we have a team that can compete again. Does this sound like a better or worse scenario than we are currently in with KO if we allow him to try and turn it around next year with a team that has sophomores Carlton, Polley, and Whaley with shooters coming in Akinjo and Williams.

There have been more losses by 20 points or more this season than in any other season in the history of the program. That is a fact. And you are concerned about the fallout that would result from a coaching change?

Yeah, we will take our lumps for a couple of years. But if we hire the right coach and give him the support he needs, we should go back to being respectable, competitive and relevant. Leaving things as they are will very likely result in similar results to what we have seen the past two seasons. That really can't be that hard for you to see.
 
When the rapture comes, Jesus is only taking the 1:2 and above people.

The rest of you will go to hell where you will spend eternity desperately posting cute kitten pictures in a futile attempt to make amends.
 
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There have been more losses by 20 points or more this season than in any other season in the history of the program. That is a fact. And you are concerned about the fallout that would result from a coaching change?

Yeah, we will take our lumps for a couple of years. But if we hire the right coach and give him the support he needs, we should go back to being respectable, competitive and relevant. Leaving things as they are will very likely result in similar results to what we have seen the past two seasons. That really can't be that hard for you to see.

This myopically short term thinking drives me nuts. "You think KO is bad? Wait until we fire him, half the team will transfer, then we'll be terrible!" No kidding, we'll take our lumps for a little while but long term I'd argue we'd be much, much better off. If a change needs to be made there will be transfers/loss of recruits/etc, that just happens. Keeping Ollie around solely because letting him go would be rough in the short term is outrageously stupid.

It's akin to having a flat tire but insisting that you'd rather keep driving on the flat rather than pulling over to change the tire. Sure, you won't be able to drive for a little bit while you're changing the tire, but the hope is that the tire you put on means a better ride in the long term.
 
New coach and staff, a teardown and rebuild from scratch, 4 year process.
That depends on the level of coach. The right guy could maintain the incoming kids and keep the current guys in place. That would make it a 2 year process.
 
Kevin Ollie is not a bad coach is the point of my whole argument. He does not have the roster he needs to run his system, I am saying allow him to put that roster in place. He has shown he has what it takes to win a national title and don’t give me the whole “not his team argument”, because it is incredibly difficult to win a chip and to discredit that with a silly argument is foolish and short-sighted.
 
When the rapture comes, Jesus is only taking the 1:2 and above people.

The rest of you will go to hell where you will spend eternity desperately posting cute kitten pictures in a futile attempt to make amends.
I envision hell as spending eternity trying to read the conference realignment tea leaves.
 
Kevin Ollie is not a bad coach is the point of my whole argument. He does not have the roster he needs to run his system, I am saying allow him to put that roster in place. He has shown he has what it takes to win a national title and don’t give me the whole “not his team argument”, because it is incredibly difficult to win a chip and to discredit that with a silly argument is foolish and short-sighted.
He’s been given that chance and then some.

The guy is getting paid as if he were the coach of one of the 10 best programs in the country. They’ve barely been one of the 10 best programs in the AAC.
 
It takes 2 full seasons to rebuild usually in CBB, but why fire a coach and rebuild again when you’re already in year 2 of a rebuild. Firing Ollie this year makes 0 logistical sense, if we struggle next year I’ll be the first to call for Ollie to be gone. But dysfunctional programs and pro teams make the mistake of firing coaches too soon and being stuck in the eternal rebuild. Heck even the Browns are giving Hue Jackson one more year. Turnover at the coaching level is the number one thing that keeps programs irrelevant, we have to at least give KO the 2 years needed to rebuild.
Ohio State says hi.
 
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Kevin Ollie is not a bad coach is the point of my whole argument. He does not have the roster he needs to run his system, I am saying allow him to put that roster in place. He has shown he has what it takes to win a national title and don’t give me the whole “not his team argument”, because it is incredibly difficult to win a chip and to discredit that with a silly argument is foolish and short-sighted.
So basically you’re saying they should fire the GM that left him this roster? Wait a minute...
 
Kevin Ollie is not a bad coach is the point of my whole argument. He does not have the roster he needs to run his system, I am saying allow him to put that roster in place. He has shown he has what it takes to win a national title and don’t give me the whole “not his team argument”, because it is incredibly difficult to win a chip and to discredit that with a silly argument is foolish and short-sighted.
I think you are missing the point. KO might be a marginally good coach which I'm not seeing any signs of it since 2014 when he had great assistant coaches around. Being a college coach is more than be a good X and O man which I believe Ollie is marginally at best. It also means he knows how to build a program and sustain it. KO has failed miserably at this and there is nothing on the horizon that will change that. KO might bleed blue and white but it is time he understands it is better to accept a buyout and have a potential program builder take his place. I mean one top 3 finish in 5 years in the AAC is totally unacceptable and only the most die hard KO fans are still behind him at this point.
 
Ohio State says hi.

I can't for the life of me imagine why an Ohio State team centered around three 4-star recruits turned upperclassmen with proven track records of playing at a high level in the B1G might be easier to turn around than the current mess in Storrs.

You might also consider that schools like Ohio State with ADs rolling in cash, major conference memberships, and vastly more fan support have a far higher chance of hiring Chris Holtmanns than UConn.
 
I can't for the life of me imagine why an Ohio State team centered around three 4-star recruits turned upperclassmen with proven track records of playing at a high level in the B1G might be easier to turn around than the current mess in Storrs.

You might also consider that schools like Ohio State with ADs rolling in cash, major conference memberships, and vastly more fan support have a far higher chance of hiring Chris Holtmanns than UConn.
It doesn't mean we can't find a good coach that can get us to the top of the AAC in few years. Nobody is thinking, I hope not, that we will ever get back to the consistent level of winning and competing for national championships. We just want to be able to compete in the AAC and have a chance to make the tourney every year even if we don't get past the second weekend that often. I think we can find a coach that could do that. KO surely isn't the right guy to lead us there.
 
Nobody is thinking, I hope not, that we will ever get back to the consistent level of winning and competing for national championships.

LOL. You are mistaken there.
 
LOL. You are mistaken there.
Well then that is sad considering our current predicament in the college landscape. I'm definitely not one of them. I do believe we can find a better coach than KO though that can sustain us at the top of the AAC with a chance to go to the Tourney every year. I do believe the best we can hope for is being an Gonzaga type of team. Good chance to make the tourney and do some damage but a very long odds to win it all. I will take that.
 
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