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8893 said:
My point is that you will fight until there are none.

You arguing that Brady doesn't get enough respect is like Dickie V. arguing that Duke doesn't get enough respect. But I don't expect either one of you to stop doing it as long as you are alive.
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This is a thread. On a UConn board. Stating things about Brady from multiple people that I disagree with. I don't understand why you're having such difficulty.
 
upstater said:
This is a thread. On a UConn board. Stating things about Brady from multiple people that I disagree with. I don't understand why you're having such difficulty.
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I'm not the one having difficulty, but please keep going.

Any updates on your Deflategate data?
 
HeGotGame said:
Obviously the odds are not in his favor, but he is a Dee Ford offsides away from going 3 times in his first 3 years as a starter
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Oh come on--so many calls in that game changed the complexion of the game. This is a silly exercise
 
8893 said:
I'm not the one having difficulty, but please keep going.

Any updates on your Deflategate data?
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No updates. Just proven facts. Uncountered by anyone. Have at it, genius.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
Very narrow discussion, compared to most of what's been discussed here, but it speaks to overall skills and big game crunch time performance...

I think Rodgers saw a possibility but wisely chose against running for the end zone on 2nd down, and then unwisely chose against it on 3rd down, when the view was clearer toward the end zone.

Running would have been a touchdown, or improved position for the 4th down choice that's gotten more discussion here and elsewhere.

I think he flinched.

What do you think his chances would have been for the 3rd down running TD?
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It looked open for a split second but I think it would've closed down before he got in leaving him at the 2 or 3 yard line which would've forced LaFleur to go for it but who knows with him. Rodgers doesn't have the wheels he used to.
 
upstater said:
Oh come on--so many calls in that game changed the complexion of the game. This is a silly exercise
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It is the response I expect from you, but at the end of the day what I said is a fact.
 
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HeGotGame said:
It is the response I expect from you, but at the end of the day what I said is a fact.
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You can say this about every single game. And even that game had plenty of other calls (or miscalls) that changed the game. It's every game.

By the way, it's not a fact.
 
8893 said:
My point is that you will fight until there are none.

You arguing that Brady doesn't get enough respect is like Dickie V. arguing that Duke doesn't get enough respect. But I don't expect either one of you to stop doing it as long as you are alive.
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My posts are directed at fans like upstater who pretend Brady has done it with limited talent around him. Of course he comes in and proves my point by denigrating Patriots defenses and offensive line play which any objective fan knows have been great. Next he'll be ripping on the Patriots coaching.
 
superjohn said:
My posts are directed at fans like upstater who pretend Brady has done it with limited talent around him. Of course he comes in and proves my point by denigrating Patriots defenses and offensive line play which any objective fan knows have been great. Next he'll be ripping on the Patriots coaching.
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WRONG. And this is typical. You're actually on the record here, you know? There are posts from you a year back. My posts accurately predicted all this.

And explain to me how Donald Thomas, Dan Connolly, Stephen Neal, Trent Brown, Nate Soldere, etc, all these great OL over the years, leave New England, sign big contracts, and flame out? What's the common denominator? Why was everyone predicting the Tampa OL was going to end up with Brady in the hospital? What did Deion Branch do in Seattle? Givens in Tennessee? Wes Welker is the ONLY WR who left New England and made the same impact elsewhere. In 20 years. But there have been career years from retreads in New England from the likes of Stallworth, Gaffney, Caldwell, Brandon Lloyd, and many others.

The defense was great early on. Then they fell off. A lot. They were horrible in some Super Bowls. Absolutely were. Brady threw for 500+ yards. AND LOST. The D was awful.
 
upstater said:
So much of this is just wrong.
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Speaking of "just wrong". Holy moly, impressive work my guy.

1. They are facts. Look for yourself:

www.pro-football-reference.com

New England Patriots Team Records, Leaders, and League Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the New England Patriots Records, Top 12 Leaders, League Ranks, history and more on Pro-Football-Reference.com
www.pro-football-reference.com www.pro-football-reference.com

"Pretty bad" 2009-13. Okay, ranking 5th, 8th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 15th. Four Top 10 defenses, oh the horror. I'm not talking about just their performance in the Super Bowl.

2. Part of how an OL performs always has to do with the QB, but I watched a ton of Patriots games over the years--there were so many games where Brady had forever to throw the ball. Part of it was Brady, part of it was coaching. Hell, many teams simply stopped blitzing Brady because it was suicide, leaving him more time vs a 4-man rush. Belichick was always great at cutting bait on OL at the right time. Jameis held the ball forever, that's no secret. That TB OL was never that bad and they spent a 1st rounder on Wirfs.

3. No one mentions this about Cassell because he made the Pro Bowl averaging 207 yards per game and the Chiefs led the NFL in rushing lol. Yee-haw. Fun fact: in 10 games that year KC had more rushing yards than passing yards. Four times KC had fewer than 100 passing yards. Just more proof that the Pro Bowl is a joke. Dude made the Pro Bowl with two games over 250 passing yards. You can plug a lot of poor QBs into a top rushing attack in the league and they'll be fine living off play-action (see Baker Mayfield). Why do you think Cassell fell off a cliff the following season when Jamaal Charles tore his ACL and suddenly KC was 15th in the NFL in rushing? He also did not throw for more yards or a higher completion percentage in KC. Try again.

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This is a classic example of spoiled Patriots fans having zero self-awareness of just how fortunate they've been in all aspects of the game the last two decades.
 
upstater said:
WRONG. And this is typical. You're actually on the record here, you know? There are posts from you a year back. My posts accurately predicted all this.

And explain to me how Donald Thomas, Dan Connolly, Stephen Neal, Trent Brown, Nate Soldere, etc, all these great OL over the years, leave New England, sign big contracts, and flame out? What's the common denominator? Why was everyone predicting the Tampa OL was going to end up with Brady in the hospital? What did Deion Branch do in Seattle? Givens in Tennessee? Wes Welker is the ONLY WR who left New England and made the same impact elsewhere. In 20 years. But there have been career years from retreads in New England from the likes of Stallworth, Gaffney, Caldwell, Brandon Lloyd, and many others.

The defense was great early on. Then they fell off. A lot. They were horrible in some Super Bowls. Absolutely were. Brady threw for 500+ yards. AND LOST. The D was awful.
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The Patriots had the #1 defense in the league just last season and averaged the the third or fourth best defense over Brady's last four seasons in New England, #1 defense in '16 as well. This is comical.
 
upstater said:
You can say this about every single game. And even that game had plenty of other calls (or miscalls) that changed the game. It's every game.

By the way, it's not a fact.
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By the way, it is. If the offsides is not called the game is over. But hey, I've seen you argue Foxboro was packed in the 90s and 80s when the Patriots were the equivalent to the Browns, so I know who I am dealing with in terms of what is reality and what is fiction.
 
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Deepster said:
Why was the equipment guy named "the Deflater"?
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Did the NFL ever answer that? Because the ex-FBI guys sat in the room with him for 16 hours grilling him, and didn't manage to get anything incriminating out of him. He must be an amazing criminal mastermind to outwit the FBI and still be earning minimum wage "deflating" balls for the Patriots.

Why not look at when the Deflater texts were actually made to see what they had to do with deflating balls. One was made in May and the other was made on the road 30 seconds after the equipment guy appeared on the TV screen (away teams don't handle footballs).

All of this is of course moot since all the balls measured exactly where they should have been, according to the NFL.
 
HeGotGame said:
By the way, it is. If the offsides is not called the game is over. But hey, I've seen you argue Foxboro was packed in the 90s and 80s when the Patriots were the equivalent to the Browns, so I know who I am dealing with in terms of what is reality and what is fiction.
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The second part of what you wrote is just a flat out LIE.

The ref on that KC play had his hand on the flag ready to throw long before the ball was even snapped. He was on the Patriots sideline and it's likely Belichick was in his ear, because he surely WANTED to throw that flag. Flag thrown as the ball is snapped. Brady quickly looks left. He has a free play. So many variables come into play when a flag is thrown that you can't say it's a definitive fact that the game is decided there. You don't know what the players are going to do given the flag.
 
upstater said:
Did the NFL ever answer that? Because the ex-FBI guys sat in the room with him for 16 hours grilling him, and didn't manage to get anything incriminating out of him. He must be an amazing criminal mastermind to outwit the FBI and still be earning minimum wage "deflating" balls for the Patriots.

Why not look at when the Deflater texts were actually made to see what they had to do with deflating balls. One was made in May and the other was made on the road 30 seconds after the equipment guy appeared on the TV screen (away teams don't handle footballs).

All of this is of course moot since all the balls measured exactly where they should have been, according to the NFL.
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Dude, we are never again going to see a team dominate a professional sports league for two decades like we just did with the Patriots. They won the debate. Brady is the best of all time. You've got superjohn trying to bolster his case for Rogers by citing Rogers's rushing yards. That's waving the white flag (and sort of hilarious).

So I don't get why you need to rebut every single post that says anything less than "Brady and Belichick are flawless." I can't believe we're back to Deflategate in a simple "congrats Brady" thread. There are people who like to troll and there are people who hate the Patriots but for most rational people there's not really a debate as to who the GOAT is, and there is no denying that this last 20 years has been one of the most incredible runs in the history of sports.

Isn't that enough?
 
Lefty2one said:
Speaking of "just wrong". Holy moly, impressive work my guy.

1. They are facts. Look for yourself:

www.pro-football-reference.com

New England Patriots Team Records, Leaders, and League Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the New England Patriots Records, Top 12 Leaders, League Ranks, history and more on Pro-Football-Reference.com
www.pro-football-reference.com www.pro-football-reference.com

"Pretty bad" 2009-13. Okay, ranking 5th, 8th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 15th. Four Top 10 defenses, oh the horror. I'm not talking about just their performance in the Super Bowl.

2. Part of how an OL performs always has to do with the QB, but I watched a ton of Patriots games over the years--there were so many games where Brady had forever to throw the ball. Part of it was Brady, part of it was coaching. Hell, many teams simply stopped blitzing Brady because it was suicide, leaving him more time vs a 4-man rush. Belichick was always great at cutting bait on OL at the right time. Jameis held the ball forever, that's no secret. That TB OL was never that bad and they spent a 1st rounder on Wirfs.

3. No one mentions this about Cassell because he made the Pro Bowl averaging 207 yards per game and the Chiefs led the NFL in rushing lol. Yee-haw. Fun fact: in 10 games that year KC had more rushing yards than passing yards. Four times KC had fewer than 100 passing yards. Just more proof that the Pro Bowl is a joke. Dude made the Pro Bowl with two games over 250 passing yards. You can plug a lot of poor QBs into a top rushing attack in the league and they'll be fine living off play-action (see Baker Mayfield). Why do you think Cassell fell off a cliff the following season when Jamaal Charles tore his ACL and suddenly KC was 15th in the NFL in rushing? He also did not throw for more yards or a higher completion percentage in KC. Try again.

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This is a classic example of spoiled Patriots fans having zero self-awareness of just how fortunate they've been in all aspects of the game the last two decades.
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1. The offenses in that period were historic. Top scoring offenses all time. Held onto the ball for huge chunks of the game. But they floundered in the playoffs. Not the offense. The defense floundered. Who were the great players?

3. So absurd you're downplaying Cassell's production with the Chiefs and yet the fact is he played an extra game for them that year with the Patriots. With the Chiefs he also threw for 27 TDs (21 for the Patriots) and only 7 INTs (11 for the Patriots) and not only that, but he had a higher passer rating in KC (which is not in your graphic). The biggest part of this analysis is that the Patriots lost 5 more games with Cassell at the helm than they did with Brady the previous year. And not only that, the reason they didn't go to the playoffs is because they didn't beat anybody. They didn't deal their competition for playoff spots any losses.

It's absurd that given everything Brady has done (which will never be repeated) we have people bringing up this totally ridiculous stuff about Matt Cassell. For heaven's sake. You're absurd.
 
superjohn said:
The Patriots had the #1 defense in the league just last season and averaged the the third or fourth best defense over Brady's last four seasons in New England, #1 defense in '16 as well. This is comical.
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I already wrote that they had a great defense the last few years.

But you do you.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Dude, we are never again going to see a team dominate a professional sports league for two decades like we just did with the Patriots. They won the debate. Brady is the best of all time. You've got superjohn trying to bolster his case for Rogers by citing Rogers's rushing yards. That's waving the white flag (and sort of hilarious).

So I don't get why you need to rebut every single post that says anything less than "Brady and Belichick are flawless." I can't believe we're back to Deflategate in a simple "congrats Brady" thread. There are people who like to troll and there are people who hate the Patriots but for most rational people there's not really a debate as to who the GOAT is, and there is no denying that this last 20 years has been one of the most incredible runs in the history of sports.

Isn't that enough?
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White flag? I'm the only one in the thread who has used #'s to back up all of my points.

It is funny watching upstater denigrate the Patriots though.
 
upstater said:
The second part of what you wrote is just a flat out LIE.

The ref on that KC play had his hand on the flag ready to throw long before the ball was even snapped. He was on the Patriots sideline and it's likely Belichick was in his ear, because he surely WANTED to throw that flag. Flag thrown as the ball is snapped. Brady quickly looks left. He has a free play. So many variables come into play when a flag is thrown that you can't say it's a definitive fact that the game is decided there. You don't know what the players are going to do given the flag.
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No need to respond to the fairy tale you wrote in the second paragraph. Showed that to a colleague who is a Patriot's fan and we both got a good laugh at it. Thanks.

What is a lie? Are you saying you never said that about the stadium?
 
I'm a Pats fan and think Brady is awesome. However, I'm not rooting for him now because ...

  • feels like the NBA and he left for an all-star team. I don't blame him, but I'm not rooting for him.
  • he is doing well, but I wouldn't have expected him to make the playoffs if he led the receiver-less Pats this year. He may have struggled more than Cam (who I don't like or hate) as he couldn't have run so he would have just buried lots of balls in the ground.
  • he is great at not losing, but I'm not seeing consistently amazing games out of him this year. Of course there is an adjustment to a new team. GB lost last week's game as much as he won it ... but he is a winner
  • I also don't like the take that this makes Bellicheck (spelling?) any worse. Just read an article in the Courant today that implied such. Pats had lots of defenders sit out this year, very few tools, and what can you do when years of low draft picks comes to a head? Coach had to stay and play it out, Brady got to leave.

Great matchup in the SB though. Brady is the GOAT, but I suspect we'd all like Mahommes for this one.
 
upstater said:
Did the NFL ever answer that? Because the ex-FBI guys sat in the room with him for 16 hours grilling him, and didn't manage to get anything incriminating out of him. He must be an amazing criminal mastermind to outwit the FBI and still be earning minimum wage "deflating" balls for the Patriots.

Why not look at when the Deflater texts were actually made to see what they had to do with deflating balls. One was made in May and the other was made on the road 30 seconds after the equipment guy appeared on the TV screen (away teams don't handle footballs).

All of this is of course moot since all the balls measured exactly where they should have been, according to the NFL.
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I don't care what the Deflator's text messages said. If I were to engage in illegal activity, I certainly wouldn't text anyone about it. Duh. And I don't think the NFL has to answer why the Deflator was named the Deflator. It's a fact he is the Deflator.
 
Deepster said:
I don't care what the Deflator's text messages said. If I were to engage in illegal activity, I certainly wouldn't text anyone about it. Duh. And I don't think the NFL has to answer why the Deflator was named the Deflator. It's a fact he is the Deflator.
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Have no idea what you're even referring to here. The deflater thing came from a text. Where did you think it came from?
 
HeGotGame said:
No need to respond to the fairy tale you wrote in the second paragraph. Showed that to a colleague who is a Patriot's fan and we both got a good laugh at it. Thanks.

What is a lie? Are you saying you never said that about the stadium?
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1. It's on video. It's undeniable. He had his hand on the flag BEFORE the ball was snapped. He threw the flag before Brady took a step backward. FACT.

2. Yes.
 
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If you have 10 pages of some idiots desperately clinging to their immature notion that someone isnt the greatest...

that someone likely is.
 
upstater said:
Nope. Wrong. Came from a text. "Deflate and give someone that jacket." That was the text.
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Oh, that makes perfect sense as to why he would be called the Deflator. As opposed to deflating footballs.
 
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