Has the gag order been lifted?

[Yardigan]

Both Ollie and UCONN come out of this looking bad. One would think the 2 parties (who allegedly really care about UCONN MBB) would have been able to come to a private settlement.

You'd think...but at the end of the day, sentiment matters not, and CashMunny is still king.....

 

[Chief00]

Gotta admit, I don't like that smell. I love JC and I know all my heroes have their warts, but I don't like to see them exposed. I literally plugged my ears and started doing the "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah" thing when my buddy started telling me about some of the stuff that went down under JC's tenure.

In true Irish fashion, part of me wants to think JC wasn't involved beyond knowing he couldn't tell Miller to lie to the NCAA without creating potential exposure for himself and more exposure for the school. I have a hard time believing he knew the extent to which Miller was going to go, or that he encouraged him to speculate like he did in order to bury Ollie.

I was looking forward to rooting for St. Joe's. Was.

Agree, not lying is one thing - recklessly voluntarily offering speculation to harm
people is another- now you all know what Chief has been saying about this dude.

 

[Yardigan]

He's not really a celebrity at the moment.

How long before he makes a Tonya Harding-like comeback?

 

[Whtdmd]

UCONN AD is going to looks bad. DB is not UCONN, these r bush league SEC tactics. KO's rep and the Union will use the disgruntle employee defense which might actually work with an arbitrator.

 

[CTMike]

Having a clause saying “don’t break NCAA rules” is as non-controversial as it gets. You are supposed to follow the rules. And frankly, UConn isn’t in a position to gamble on which rules it thinks are minor and which aren’t - it’s blown up in their faces too many times.

Of course winners get more leeway. Don’t stink and break the rules.

 

[The Viking]

Gotta admit, I don't like that smell. I love JC and I know all my heroes have their warts, but I don't like to see them exposed. I literally plugged my ears and started doing the "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah" thing when my buddy started telling me about some of the stuff that went down under JC's tenure.

In true Irish fashion, part of me wants to think JC wasn't involved beyond knowing he couldn't tell Miller to lie to the NCAA without creating potential exposure for himself and more exposure for the school. I have a hard time believing he knew the extent to which Miller was going to go, or that he encouraged him to speculate like he did in order to bury Ollie.

I was looking forward to rooting for St. Joe's. Was.

 

[Danzz]

This is crap. I hope he gets every dime.

Not every dime but a lot of dimes.

 

[8893]

He got fired by UConn because he was blowing the whistle against wrong doing - he would say.

Unless Miller was blowing the whistle to someone other than Ollie before Miller was fired, I don't think that's going to work.

 

[Danzz]

I have not been notified the gag order has been lifted. I doubt that it will be until closure of situation.
Three general, nonspecific thoughts based on what’s public now:
1) If one thinks those workouts were less likely to happen if our S&C guy was better - that’s on Travis not Carlos since those violations were in 2015/2016.
2) Miller is a snake and will never get another D1 job. I understand he got fired and saw lots of bad stuff before that - but no one will hire him in D1 now. He won’t be trusted.
3) Ray is right, KO needs R&R and maybe he should bring Michael Bailey with him before his reputation is damaged further.

#2. Miller is a rat.
He doesn't deserve a Div. 1 job. Maybe JC can wait until it is too late to hire someone else and Miller gets the St. Joe's job.
These are all pretty minor violations if they are all true.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Eh - you're all over thinking and over playing this. Let me summarize.

AD to KO: Ok, you've really stunk up the place and it's time for you to go. We can negotiate a reduced buyout.
KO: No, I want my 10 million.
AD: Well we have a lot of evidence that will support just cause - I really suggest you take a reduced buyout.
KO: You don't have the juevos to go the distance. I'll hold my ground.
AD to GM: You mind talking to an investigator with full immunity? The family is behind you.
GM: You mean I get to burn him? Sure, I'll talk.
KO: Holy crap - you have all that on record? I shoulda taken the reduce buyout.

And that boys and girls are where we are today.

That, plus alternating bouts of pearl clutching and feces flinging in which we learn it's not just politics that makes for strange bedfellows.

Quite frankly, the recent crescendo of good vibes had nowhere else to go.

Mostly I'm grateful to be reading this with virtually no ignored content. For the first time in two years since purchase, I've opened up the laptop as a big screen tablet, and what's posted here honors the additional real estate. Without the naked trolls, we show up as a pretty interesting bunch; I hope we put as compelling a product on the court next November.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Posts in epic thread.

And earns a Like and a Reply.
Kudos.

 

[Whtdmd]

#2. Miller is a rat.
He doesn't deserve a Div. 1 job. Maybe JC can wait until it is too late to hire someone else and Miller gets the St. Joe's job.
These are all pretty minor violations if they are all true.

I play d3 basketball for 1 yr. The head coach does not get more then several thousand in stipend. This is GM's salary. He will never get another job in BB that pays more then that

 

[Robertelamin]

No mention of dollar oyster night in West Hartford Center?

 

[8893]

No mention of oyster night in West Hartford Center?

Ahem, dollar oyster night.

 

[Robertelamin]

Ahem, dollar oyster night.

Thanks, edited.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Eh - you're all over thinking and over playing this. Let me summarize.

AD to KO: Ok, you've really stunk up the place and it's time for you to go. We can negotiate a reduced buyout.
KO: No, I want my 10 million.
AD: Well we have a lot of evidence that will support just cause - I really suggest you take a reduced buyout.
KO: You don't have the juevos to go the distance. I'll hold my ground.
AD to GM: You mind talking to an investigator with full immunity? The family is behind you.
GM: You mean I get to burn him? Sure, I'll talk.
KO: Holy crap - you have all that on record? I shoulda taken the reduce buyout.

And that boys and girls are where we are today.

Lmfao. The family is behind you? The same family that fired you, that will never re-hire you, and who has no current or future obligations to you? Jeez that must have meant so much to Miller in this fantasyland scenario.

They should be ashamed they signed a deal that was favorable to them? That's nonsensical.

Herbst, Warde and AD signed a deal favorable to them? That would be a first. Just like we didn't have to buyout Diaco?

Come back to reality for me for a second. They signed a horrible deal and that is why we're in this mess debating whether a phone call from Ray Allen and a couple workouts is going to void the $10M they are on the hook for.

This board is absolutely bananas on this one.

I've been calling for KO's head for years and was one of the happiest people to see him gone, but this situation reeks.

To think this is right, a common practice, or all above board means you're either willfully ignorant, a hypocrite, or an idiot.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

When did Lebron or KD play for Duke?

Coach K USA basketball. Ya know, The Olympics.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

I believe RP is still in communication with KO, interesting person to watch in all this.

If KO had any coaching ability Rodney would be a much richer man today. Odd to have him back KO. Tweet could be in relation to anything

 

[Scrutineer]

Well they haven’t won yet...

And it is better in that it’s 12 more months of Suzie Lax.


You are cheering on vile people in this thread.

It takes a high level of cognative dissonance to pretend these are ‘violations’ that don’t pale in comparison to things that happened here over the 20 prior years.

So yeah they might save some money - but you got more of a peek at the type of people that ran the AD into the ground.

I’m not hypocrtical enough to pretend a phone call from Ray Allen is a violation - I saw Ray Allen do things that were 5 million times worse.

It's not hypocritical. Any actions by a booster, even just a regular grad who wasn't an athlete, to make contact with a potential student athlete is a violation. In this case it might be considered more serious since Ollie reportedly made the contact for the recruit using his assistant's cell phone. Sure looks like it was a planned violation of a well known rule.

 

[husky8273]

Every donor receives a brochure every year describing how contacting a PSA is a violation unless there's a prior relationship. How did Ray Allen not know this?

 

[8893]

Every donor receives a brochure every year describing how contacting a PSA is a violation unless there's a prior relationship. How did Ray Allen not know this?

Mebbe he didn't read the brochure?

 

[selles]

To think this is right, a common practice, or all above board means you're either willfully ignorant, a hypocrite, or an idiot.

Or you could understand that contract law in American jurisprudence is grounded in economic efficiency and not morality.

And that not only did Herbst and Benedict have the option to seek to fire KO for cause under the facts here, they arguably had a fiduciary duty to do so.

And for those obsessed with whaling - er, wailing - and gnashing of teeth about the morality of all this, why is UConn any more immoral for using a contract clause to get out of paying KO $10 million despite the minor nature of the NCAA violations than KO is for using a contract clause to assert he's entitled to $10 million despite driving the program off a frigging cliff?

 

[Scrutineer]

Yeah that’s because you are mad at him because the team sucked.

Cheer on an athletic department that pays someone to coach another team and employ a rat.

Then pretend that Calhoun while employed by another school didn’t sanction said rat potentially damaging UConn.

I get it Ollie sucked - but you are cheering on snakes in order to save the school some amount of money that doesn’t matter.

Calhoun created the situation - got jealous that there was success beyond him and has acted like a 9 year old who can’t have a toy for 3 years.

If you are cool cheering for that to save a few dollars - that’s great. I’ll pass on pretending they aren’t duplicitious backstabbers.

Could Calhoun be that spiteful? Could Ollie be that much of an ingrate?
Wow, Hurley may turn out to be a god if he can straighten things out and win some NC's.

 

[Huskybass]

welp I'm not sure how he gets out of this one

"Ollie got a close personal friend named Derek Hamilton to train some of the players off campus in 2015-16. Several players participated in after hours, on-campus workouts with Hamilton as well as off-campus workouts. Three players traveled to Atlanta to train with Hamilton and the players were fed, transported and housed for free — all considered NCAA violations. The letter said one of the parents of a player who went to Atlanta even called Ollie to ask if the trip was legal."

checkmate

 

[UConnNick]

Yep. All three of them.

With one of those three being RutgersAl, who very recently surfaced again to post on the football board after a long hiatus.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Or you could understand that contract law in American jurisprudence is grounded in economic efficiency and not morality.

And that not only did Herbst and Benedict have the option to seek to fire KO for cause under the facts here, they arguably had a fiduciary duty to do so.

And for those obsessed with whaling - er, wailing - and gnashing of teeth about the morality of all this, why is UConn any more immoral for using a contract clause to get out of paying KO $10 million despite the minor nature of the NCAA violations than KO is for using a contract clause to assert he's entitled to $10 million despite driving the program off a frigging cliff?

Just admit it's disingenuous. It's a message board, it'll be ok to take off the national flag blue.

They are (possibly) going to get out of this $10M deal due to minor NCAA violations used as technicalities and the fact a former employee of the UConn basketball program snitched the NCAA.

Oh, and the fact that had we'd made the NCAA Tournament last year, none of this would be happening.

It's a slimy situation, perpetuated by a President who is clueless towards D1 athletics and has already had to be bailed out from a prior idiotic buyout with the Diaco situation. Only cost us a BC home game and a payday game at Clemson.

 

[junglehusky]

Signing a contract is supposed to mean something. There may be boilerplate terms about NCAA violations at most schools that aren't expected to stand up in arbitration or court, but every impression I got when Ollie signed and re-upped was that UConn's contracts are very nailed down on this issue compared to industry standards.

It seems like some on this board are of the opinion that Ollie would have reasonably expected to 1) have his team lose a bunch of games and look like garbage doing it 2) have NCAA violations occur under his watch 3) face no consequences from his employer for the losing or the violations despite a pretty iron clad contract saying DON'T COMMIT ANY FACHKING NCAA VIOLATIONS KEVINNNN

 

[Silky J]

So... what are the possible sanctions?

 

[jimva]

Bingo and bingo. People want to make this about JC's sketchiness or about the sketchiness at other programs. This story isn't about corruption in college basketball. This story is about an administration finding reasons to can an employee for cause because they couldn't can him for performance.

Nope. Go back and read contract. Performance was one of the potential triggers for gifting for cause. KO got what he earned.

 

[intlzncster]

This board is absolutely bananas on this one.
To think this is right, a common practice, or all above board means you're either willfully ignorant, a hypocrite, or an idiot.

Have a look around college sports man. It is kinda common. My favorite example is ex Florida football coach Jim McElwain. They wanted him out, but he had a $12.5m buyout. They fire him, with 'cause' being that he failed to provide evidence of claimed death threats against him for his coaching performance. He was forced to settle for $7.5m.

Hell look at Pitt trying to fire Stallings for cause this spring, because they didn't want to pay the $10m. Their justification? On Jan. 2 Stallings responded to a verbal barb from the crowd in Louisville that “at least we didn’t pay our players $100,000." That's it. They ended up reaching an undisclosed settlement.

Bottom line, there is no integrity in major college sports. None. You need to understand and accept that if you are going to enjoy the product. Having gone to school in the SEC, and witnessing some of the things that went on, I've long held zero illusions about the cesspool that is college athletics.