Goodman: Hurley to UConn (not official)

[GemParty]

How would you like to be players for URI trying to get ready for your first NCAA tournament and reading that your Coach is gone??

Did it bother UCF vs Auburn in football?

 

[JMick]

How would you like to be players for URI trying to get ready for your first NCAA tournament and reading that your Coach is gone??

It sucks but I feel like a lot of players get it. They have a lot of upper class men so it will probably bother them less than if he had a younger team

 

[Uconnfanatic]

The state budget is $3.5 billion.

if this is correct:


Then the taxpayer's portion of Kevin Ollie's yearly salary was .0093% of the budget.

Even if the taxpayer's paid the whole salary (and we don't) it's .086% of the budget.

The full $10 million buyout is .29% of the state budget.

If Hurley is the guy, then you pay him. Taking a risk on a coach without a proven record because you can get him for $2M instead of $3M thereby saving the state between .0029%(taxpayers pay $250k instead of $350k) and .029% ($2M vs. $3M) is immensely shortsighted when you consider the revenues a winning coach can bring in with NCAA appearances, and tournament championships, etc.

Penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Could another coach do the same or better than Hurley? Yes. Is it worth the risk (if after your evaluation you think Hurley is the best fit for the position). Not in a million years. Not if you're doing it because you're worried about the taxpayers. You're talking about a fraction of a percent of the overall budget in a state that requires so much administrative spending we can't afford to fund the pensions we've committed to.

Argue for someone else because you think he's a better coach, if you're concerned about wasting taxpayer's money, write your legislators. They're the ones wasting our money.

Always tough to

The state budget is $3.5 billion.

if this is correct:


Then the taxpayer's portion of Kevin Ollie's yearly salary was .0093% of the budget.

Even if the taxpayer's paid the whole salary (and we don't) it's .086% of the budget.

The full $10 million buyout is .29% of the state budget.

If Hurley is the guy, then you pay him. Taking a risk on a coach without a proven record because you can get him for $2M instead of $3M thereby saving the state between .0029%(taxpayers pay $250k instead of $350k) and .029% ($2M vs. $3M) is immensely shortsighted when you consider the revenues a winning coach can bring in with NCAA appearances, and tournament championships, etc.

Penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Could another coach do the same or better than Hurley? Yes. Is it worth the risk (if after your evaluation you think Hurley is the best fit for the position). Not in a million years. Not if you're doing it because you're worried about the taxpayers. You're talking about a fraction of a percent of the overall budget in a state that requires so much administrative spending we can't afford to fund the pensions we've committed to.

Argue for someone else because you think he's a better coach, if you're concerned about wasting taxpayer's money, write your legislators. They're the ones wasting our money.

The state budget is $3.5 billion.

if this is correct:


Then the taxpayer's portion of Kevin Ollie's yearly salary was .0093% of the budget.

Even if the taxpayer's paid the whole salary (and we don't) it's .086% of the budget.

The full $10 million buyout is .29% of the state budget.

If Hurley is the guy, then you pay him. Taking a risk on a coach without a proven record because you can get him for $2M instead of $3M thereby saving the state between .0029%(taxpayers pay $250k instead of $350k) and .029% ($2M vs. $3M) is immensely shortsighted when you consider the revenues a winning coach can bring in with NCAA appearances, and tournament championships, etc.

Penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Could another coach do the same or better than Hurley? Yes. Is it worth the risk (if after your evaluation you think Hurley is the best fit for the position). Not in a million years. Not if you're doing it because you're worried about the taxpayers. You're talking about a fraction of a percent of the overall budget in a state that requires so much administrative spending we can't afford to fund the pensions we've committed to.

Argue for someone else because you think he's a better coach, if you're concerned about wasting taxpayer's money, write your legislators. They're the ones wasting our money.

Always tough to debate with someone who wants to take things out of context or tries to create a straw man argument. In a previous post I wrote:

"I never said take a lesser coach. I am just not convinced that Hurley is a better coach than some of the other possibilities."

If two guys rate similarly, why get into a bidding war and pay two or three times the salary for one just because he happens to be the hot commodity at the moment. Nobody's saying be cheap. I'm saying don't get caught up in an emotional bidding game just because you locked onto one target.

As for its importance to the state budget, I will quote Everett Dirksen from a comment he made about the Federal budget back in the sixties:

"A billion here, a billion there and pretty soon you are talking about real money."

It is no wonder this country and this state are in such trouble financially. All those seemingly small percentages add up.

 

[AdamaNation]

It sucks but I feel like a lot of players get it. They have a lot of upper class men so it will probably bother them less than if he had a younger team

4 are coming to the Conn so they’re good.

 

[JMick]

4 are coming to the Conn so they’re good.

Did they sign a LOI? If so, don't be surprised when URI releases them but blocks their transfer to UConn. They'd have to sit a year

 

[Husk1881]

I heard Pitt is favorite for Hurley

 

[the Q]

We dont' have room for 4 recruits anyway.

Getting Harris alone would be nice.

But that would mean guys would have to transfer out to have that room.

 

[BFieldHusky]

Did they sign a LOI? If so, don't be surprised when URI releases them but blocks their transfer to UConn. They'd have to sit a year

You can't block someone after they sign a LOI. It's not like a transfer. You either let them out of you don't.

 

[JMick]

You can't block someone after they sign a LOI. It's not like a transfer. You either let them out of you don't.

I would be happy to be wrong. I thought they could block it for this very reason. If that's not the case and we can bring in at least 1 or 2 of Hurley's commits then that will be huge.

 

[Uconnfanatic]

4 are coming to the Conn so they’re good.

At least two of the four recruits Hurley has coming in are 2*. We killed Ollie for recruiting 2* & 3*. Why do we want these kids? They sound like the perfect mid major recruits. If these were Ollie's recruits some of you would be hammering Ollie.

 

[UConnStats]

At least two of the four recruits Hurley has coming in are 2*. We killed Ollie for recruiting 2* & 3*. Why do we want these kids? They sound like the perfect mid major recruits. If these were Ollie's recruits some of you would be hammering Ollie.

Not bad for a 2 star facing the 2nd best player in the class. Martin is really underrated.

I trust that Hurley would have an idea of whether the kids are reaches or not.

 

[BlueMAB]

Always tough to




Always tough to debate with someone who wants to take things out of context or tries to create a straw man argument. In a previous post I wrote:

"I never said take a lesser coach. I am just not convinced that Hurley is a better coach than some of the other possibilities."

If two guys rate similarly, why get into a bidding war and pay two or three times the salary for one just because he happens to be the hot commodity at the moment. Nobody's saying be cheap. I'm saying don't get caught up in an emotional bidding game just because you locked onto one target.

As for its importance to the state budget, I will quote Everett Dirksen from a comment he made about the Federal budget back in the sixties:

"A billion here, a billion there and pretty soon you are talking about real money."

It is no wonder this country and this state are in such trouble financially. All those seemingly small percentages add up.

If Hurley is the guy, then you pay him. Taking a risk on a coach without a proven record because you can get him for $2M instead of $3M thereby saving the state between .0029%(taxpayers pay $250k instead of $350k) and .029% ($2M vs. $3M) is immensely shortsighted when you consider the revenues a winning coach can bring in with NCAA appearances, and tournament championships, etc.

Penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Could another coach do the same or better than Hurley? Yes. Is it worth the risk (if after your evaluation you think Hurley is the best fit for the position). Not in a million years. Not if you're doing it because you're worried about the taxpayers. You're talking about a fraction of a percent of the overall budget in a state that requires so much administrative spending we can't afford to fund the pensions we've committed to.

Argue for someone else because you think he's a better coach, if you're concerned about wasting taxpayer's money, write your legislators. They're the ones wasting our money.

No strawman. If Benedict believes Hurley is the right guy, then paying him what Ollie made is the smart move. Nobody said pay him $4, $5, $6 million. But $3 million isn't a bidding war, it's the going rate for a school expecting to field a top 25 team every year. Just because you rate the guys you mentioned as good if not better than Hurley doesn't mean you're right. You might be, but your opinion on their ability does not validate your arbitrary salary cap.

Hop off your high horse with the budget. You have no idea who you're talking to, or what I've done to try and get this states spending under control. You're just wrong. Like it or not the basketball program is an investment into the prestige of the university. The athletics success has helped spur investments and applications, and a winning program pays for itself and brings along ancillary benefits.

Nothing is guaranteed, but Hurley has one of the better profiles out there. You're the one who arbitrarily set the limit at $1.5 and declared anything over a "bidding war", what was it you said about "strawman" arguments?

Hypocrite.

 

[JMick]

At least two of the four recruits Hurley has coming in are 2*. We killed Ollie for recruiting 2* & 3*. Why do we want these kids? They sound like the perfect mid major recruits. If these were Ollie's recruits some of you would be hammering Ollie.

where are you getting that? I see one 4* and three 3* recruits

 

[JMick]

What's better for you all:

High salary/low buyout

Or

Low salary/high buyout


Because that's probably what were looking at with any coach. If I were hurley id go for a longer contract or high buyout. It could take a while to turn this around

I think we're going to see a lower base salary with higher, achievable incentives and the buyout will be tied to the salary and not the total contract.

 

[MadDogRevival]

I love the speculation in this thread.

 

[Mr. French]

Not sarcasm at all.

I've been dying for ANYONE to discuss Oats on this board. So I thank the now 3 people total who have discussed him beyond just a name drop.

A) Hurley only really developed UB into a strong team for a year or two, it’s not like Oats took over a perennial juggernaut. But yeah, Hurley built the base.

B) I have no clue if he can recruit at a higher profile place, but his classes coming in are some of the best in UB history - obviously not saying a ton - but he’s got good momentum.

Those are counter points to the objections to him you quoted, but I don’t necessarily disagree with those points. They’re all well reasoned opinions on him.

I didn’t follow as closely as I should have this year, but he’s doing really nice things here.

 

[Jaker]

If the new transfer rule passes, we should go after Musslemen, he could bring his starting 5 with him, throw in Adams and Vital, whala, just like that we have a top 10 team.

 

[Mr. French]

Saw a few Oats related responses after I responded, sorry if I reiterated any of the well made points above. He’s a good up and coming coach.

 

[Uconnfanatic]

No strawman. If Benedict believes Hurley is the right guy, then paying him what Ollie made is the smart move. Nobody said pay him $4, $5, $6 million. But $3 million isn't a bidding war, it's the going rate for a school expecting to field a top 25 team every year. Just because you rate the guys you mentioned as good if not better than Hurley doesn't mean you're right. You might be, but your opinion on their ability does not validate your arbitrary salary cap.

Hop off your high horse with the budget. You have no idea who you're talking to, or what I've done to try and get this states spending under control. You're just wrong. Like it or not the basketball program is an investment into the prestige of the university. The athletics success has helped spur investments and applications, and a winning program pays for itself and brings along ancillary benefits.

Nothing is guaranteed, but Hurley has one of the better profiles out there. You're the one who arbitrarily set the limit at $1.5 and declared anything over a "bidding war", what was it you said about "strawman" arguments?

Hypocrite.

No high horse about the budget. CT is a fiscal mess. Ranks second to Illinois as far as worst fiscal condition. Glad you are trying to get state spending under control. You certainly have your work cut out for you. And I don't disagree that a successful basketball program pays big dividends. I just don't want to see us losing our heads over one guy because he's the current hot commodity. $1.5 million base plus some nice incentives is quite a leap from the $300,000 base he's making now. Let's say DB has three strong candidates. So how much more do you think Hurley is worth than the other two who are rated similarly? There is a value comparison to be made. It is not about going for the cheapest or being penny wise & pound foolish. We all want UConn restored to its former heights. We just have different views on how we get there.

 

[intlzncster]

I heard Pitt is favorite for Hurley

Pete Thamel said that. He was talking out of his arse.

 

[Husk1881]

Pete Thamel said that. He was talking out of his arse.

Good I was more shocked than anything

 

[intlzncster]

I just don't want to see us losing our heads over one guy because he's the current hot commodity. $1.5 million base plus some nice incentives is quite a leap from the $300,000 base he's making now. Let's say DB has three strong candidates. So how much more do you think Hurley is worth than the other two who are rated similarly?

The base is a little disingenuous though.

Hurley's guaranteed annual take is more than $1m at the moment. His base is only $300k, but that's in name only. He gets something like $650k in gate receipts every year (no matter how many tickets are sold). Plus he gets other bonuses that aren't performance related. He's doing alright.

I'd think you'd want to see his total guaranteed income approximately double if he comes here. He's gonna lose half to taxes anyway.

 

[BlueMAB]

No high horse about the budget. CT is a fiscal mess. Ranks second to Illinois as far as worst fiscal condition. Glad you are trying to get state spending under control. You certainly have your work cut out for you. And I don't disagree that a successful basketball program pays big dividends. I just don't want to see us losing our heads over one guy because he's the current hot commodity. $1.5 million base plus some nice incentives is quite a leap from the $300,000 base he's making now. Let's say DB has three strong candidates. So how much more do you think Hurley is worth than the other two who are rated similarly? There is a value comparison to be made. It is not about going for the cheapest or being penny wise & pound foolish. We all want UConn restored to its former heights. We just have different views on how we get there.

Whether some people lose their heads is irrelevant. Benedict is the one making the decision with approval from his superiors.

Hurley isn't making $300k. He makes $1.1 million. His base salary is $300k, but is guaranteed to make $1.1m details here:
URI, Dan Hurley agree on contract extension through 2023-24 season

There's no answering your question, it's a silly hypothetical where no conclusion could be gained because there isn't nearly enough information. And there's been no indication that there is, or will be, a bidding year other than your posts.

 

[Mr. French]

Great win for Schmidt and Bona.

I feel like Alford can’t coach that top talent; perhaps they don’t buy in. Whatever it is, they under achieve and look a bit clueless at times.

 

[uconnbill]

It's posturing. They're all morans

The state is broke.

I think this gets done but we have to hope for a lot less than the 10 million buyout. My hope is for less than half or a third.

 

[Jaker]

Great win for Schmidt and Bona.

I feel like Alford can’t coach that top talent; perhaps they don’t buy in. Whatever it is, they under achieve and look a bit clueless at times.

I am thinking Alfords days could be numbered at UCLA. He sold out the program to bring in the Ball family and it turned out to be a dumpster fire and a complete embarrassment.

 

[KemBaller]

A perfect title would be: "Goodman, well connected in coaching circles, thinks Hurley will pick UConn over Pitt"

Sure. The title here is a definite overreach. Still think the information here is worth knowing, though.

 

[KemBaller]

I am thinking Alfords days could be numbered at UCLA. He sold out the program to bring in the Ball family and it turned out to be a dumpster fire and a complete embarrassment.

Feel like UCLA would just hold out for a crack at Donovan if anything.

 

[KemBaller]

The state is broke.

I think this gets done but we have to hope for a lot less than the 10 million buyout. My hope is for less than half or a third.

As pointed out earlier investment into the basketball program pays for itself. Go back and listen to the numbers Calhoun throws out in his "not a dime back" presser.

 

[Fishy]

I like how we’ve theoretically rejected some recruits theoretically following a coach that we have only theoretically hired.

There are no nets underneath the Boneyard trapeze.