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Goodman: Hurley to UConn (not official)

businesslawyer said:
Without having any documents in front of me, in a non-unionized situation you can fire someone for cause and they are fired whether or not a court subsequently determines you had cause. But often collective bargaining agreements and procedures bar the termination until cause is resolved. So it may be that terminating him before a hearing enjoins the university from arguing cause down the road.
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I agree with that. I work @ UConn & am part of the other professional union; our CBA has similar language to the AAUP contract regarding termination & the grievance process. I would concur it's all semantics until the process runs its course or an agreement is reached. If an agreement is reached, it is likely that part of the agreement will be that he will be permitted to officially resign if past practices indicate anything.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
To be clear, Goodman did not say he *knows* Hurley to UConn, he said he *thinks* Hurley to UConn.
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exactly
what 1 man thinks doesn't make or change anything now
 
Jaybird65 said:
If an agreement is reached, it is likely that part of the agreement will be that he will be permitted to officially resign if past practices indicate anything.
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Obviously that is considerably more valuable for an employee whose termination proceedings weren't national news.
 
Matrim55 said:
He was in Kingston at the start of the season to talk to the team at Hurley's request, and he obviously still has a good relationship with Tom Moore. Plus Hurley's old college head coach was Blaney.

Dude's got a ton of UConn ties, and it seems like where there's smoke, there's fire. But $$$ drives the bus, and we're going to have to compete with an ACC team here. I think we get Hurley, but we're going to have to pay for it.
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He shouldn't get more than half of Ollie's salary. We way overpaid Ollie. We shouldn't make the same mistake again. I think half of Ollie's salary is still 2 1/2 times what Hurley makes at URI. Let him prove himself before we pay the kind of money Ollie was given. He's not going to Pitt. He knows UConn is a far better opportunity with less risk of failure. Plus his kids don't have to be disrupted from the schools they are in if he's at UConn.
 
Jaybird65 said:
I agree with that. I work @ UConn & am part of the other professional union; our CBA has similar language to the AAUP contract regarding termination & the grievance process. I would concur it's all semantics until the process runs its course or an agreement is reached. If an agreement is reached, it is likely that part of the agreement will be that he will be permitted to officially resign if past practices indicate anything.
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think you are right
I think DB has known this and was willing to roll the dice because I truly think he was concerned that IF Hurley was his 1st choice he might lose him if he didn't relieve KO of his position when he did Pitt would pounce
I am sure KO will get something out of this mess
not sure Hurley is the best UConn can do
 
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Uconnfanatic said:
He shouldn't get more than half of Ollie's salary. We way overpaid Ollie. We shouldn't make the same mistake again. I think half of Ollie's salary is still 2 1/2 times what Hurley makes at URI. Let him prove himself before we pay the kind of money Ollie was given. He's not going to Pitt. He knows UConn is a far better opportunity with less risk of failure. Plus his kids don't have to be disrupted from the schools they are in if he's at UConn.
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If Pitt offers twice what we do, he's not coming here.

You get what you pay for.
 
businesslawyer said:
Without having any documents in front of me, in a non-unionized situation you can fire someone for cause and they are fired whether or not a court subsequently determines you had cause. But often collective bargaining agreements and procedures bar the termination until cause is resolved. So it may be that terminating him before a hearing enjoins the university from arguing cause down the road.
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So this would in essence not allow UCONN to formally offer the job to someone else until the case is resolved? Seems to be a gray area here.
 
BFieldHusky said:
So this would in essence not allow UCONN to formally offer the job to someone else until the case is resolved? Seems to be a gray area here.
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It all depends on what the CBA says. It is possible they can't formally offer it until the process resolves without giving up the "for cause" argument. But I don't think it matters. If they agree with Hurley on his deal and can explain when the process will be wrapped up either way, I'm not sure he cares.
 
Rico444 said:
If Pitt offers twice what we do, he's not coming here.

You get what you pay for.
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Forget what article I read but family is very important to Hurley and he turned down D1 offers previously before going to Wagner because they were too far from where he and his wife lived. Seems he wants to stay somewhat close to ny/nj area.

Pitt is a hike. Not an easy/ short trip to ny/nj
 
methodology said:
Forget what article I read but family is very important to Hurley and he turned down D1 offers previously before going to Wagner because they were too far from where he and his wife lived. Seems he wants to stay somewhat close to ny/nj area.

Pitt is a hike. Not an easy/ short trip to ny/nj
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Part of the reason he didn't take the Rutgers job is because, he didn't want to move is family right now ...He has at least one child in High school...He could commute to UConn...Tom Moore commutes to URI from Tolland...This is huge imo
 
pepband99 said:
...or is he just, you know, a troll?

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Goodman reminds me of a Shallow Hal character. Glamorized to be a handsome reporter, but when Hal sees clearly after ESPN’s budget cuts, he sees Goodman’s real face.
 
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Rico444 said:
If Pitt offers twice what we do, he's not coming here.

You get what you pay for.
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True, but he could come here. Win in a relatively top heavy conference. Compete for NC or go to Pitt and be 4th place at best for a long time.

If he's good at what he does.
 
So, I have been reading everything and listening to what folks here have to say, and all signs point to Danny Hurley as our next coach. Seriously, we are not hearing anything else. Where there is smoke is a fairly accurate adage.

I think Calhoun has endorsed him as the next coach.
Benedict doesn't make moves without knowing his next one.
So much chatter about both sides expressing interest.
National rumors gathering steam.

All these things add up. Hurley is an up and coming coach and the Uconn job is a step up in both prestige and dollars. It's like boxing, he's ready to move up.

What I really like about Hurley is that I think he is hungry to win, to make his mark as a winning coach in the higher echelons of college basketball. He's hungry to be successful and compete at the highest levels.

I'm starting to get pumped. C'mon, let's win some championships.
 
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uchusky32 said:
True, but he could come here. Win in a relatively top heavy conference. Compete for NC or go to Pitt and be 4th place at best for a long time.

If he's good at what he does.
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If Hurley gets Pitt to consistently be 4th in the ACC every year, he's going to be in the top 25 every season and he's getting a big raise. They have a pretty strong history, too, and you don't have to go back too far for them to have been a very strong program. I think we're the better job, but if Pitt literally doubles what we're offering like some here are suggesting, I seriously doubt Hurley turns down that much money. He could buy his family plane tickets every weekend if the commute is that rough.
 
Rico444 said:
If Pitt offers twice what we do, he's not coming here.

You get what you pay for.
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If that's the case, I would pass. There are others that could turn out to be better options. If he comes I will behind him 100% but just like any of the likely candidates, there are questions. We have to be willing to walk away if someone else wants to overpay. At this stage in his career and given the unknowns, we shouldn't be overpaying.
 
Rico444 said:
If Hurley gets Pitt to consistently be 4th in the ACC every year, he's going to be in the top 25 every season and he's getting a big raise. They have a pretty strong history, too, and you don't have to go back too far for them to have been a very strong program. I think we're the better job, but if Pitt literally doubles what we're offering like some here are suggesting, I seriously doubt Hurley turns down that much money. He could buy his family plane tickets every weekend if the commute is that rough.
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4th in the ACC seems almost unrealistic though. Figure you have Duke, UNC and Virgina pretty entrenched as the top 3 in that league. I understand Syracuse is struggling, and Louisville is kind of in a unknown area. You still have Notre Dame, Miami, NC State, Florida State, and an improving Clemson and Virginia Tech. If you include Ville and Syracuse, that is 8 teams you have to leap over. And they literally didn't win a game in that league last year.

Whereas at UCONN, you only have to improve a little and we are Top 3 in this league.
 
Uconnfanatic said:
If that's the case, I would pass. There are others that could turn out to be better options. If he comes I will behind him 100% but just like any of the likely candidates, there are questions. We have to be willing to walk away if someone else wants to overpay. At this stage in his career and given the unknowns, we shouldn't be overpaying.
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At best. Won't be consistently 4th. NC st, Clemson, Ville, Cuse. At best.
 
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uchusky32 said:
At best. Won't be consistently 4th. NC st, Clemson, Ville, Cuse. At best.
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I don't even care what place he finishes in a conference; we finished 9th in 2011 but won the national championship. My point is, he can build a program just as easily at Pitt as he could here, and if we try to short him on salary like that one poster suggested, I'm sure he would take what I would imagine is a much better offer from a P6 school (most likely Pitt).
 
Rico444 said:
I don't even care what place he finishes in a conference; we finished 9th in 2011 but won the national championship. My point is, he can build a program just as easily at Pitt as he could here, and if we try to short him on salary like that one poster suggested, I'm sure he would take what I would imagine is a much better offer from a P6 school (most likely Pitt).
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The word is he is will get paid here. I don't think the money is an issue.
 
auror said:
Lol I know they don't actually believe that. We literally spend twice as much money on Men's basketball, had 80% more attendance last year despite having a terrible season.
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Look at you thinking fanbases are rational.

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They totally believe it. Same as VCU fans did a few years ago.
 
Matrim55 said:
If Hurley comes and Jalen stays, we're a top 3 team in the AAC next year. Obviously nothing to crow about, but a good coach gets us 5-6 more conference wins than we had this past season.
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Are we?
 
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methodology said:
Forget what article I read but family is very important to Hurley and he turned down D1 offers previously before going to Wagner because they were too far from where he and his wife lived. Seems he wants to stay somewhat close to ny/nj area.

Pitt is a hike. Not an easy/ short trip to ny/nj
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His wife's father had recently passed away. At the last minute she decided she didn't want to leave her mom alone.
 
Uconnfanatic said:
He shouldn't get more than half of Ollie's salary. We way overpaid Ollie. We shouldn't make the same mistake again. I think half of Ollie's salary is still 2 1/2 times what Hurley makes at URI. Let him prove himself before we pay the kind of money Ollie was given. He's not going to Pitt. He knows UConn is a far better opportunity with less risk of failure. Plus his kids don't have to be disrupted from the schools they are in if he's at UConn.
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You're not going to lure him with $1.5m. We had a NC winning coach, the $3m was a lot, but not egregious given his stature at the time (and with the call of the NBA). The problem was the buyout.

This list doesn't include everybody (like Ollie), but it's decently comprehensive:

USA TODAY Sports

47 schools on this list are north of $2million dollars. This includes powerhouses such as NCSt, Bama, Baylor, Nebraska, KSU, and our own WSU. Even Providence is at $2.2m. UCONN cannot be south of it and hope to get a viable candidate.

$1.5m is what Pikiell is making at Rutgers of all places. Ollie's used to be top 10. Now it's Top 15 and falling.

Like it or not, the market for college coaches salaries has risen.
 
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BFieldHusky said:
The word is he is will get paid here. I don't think the money is an issue.
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State institutions should not be allowed to be reckless with taxpayers. money, especially in a state as broke as Connecticut. It is not like Hurley stands head & shoulders above other alternatives. Hopefully DB learned a lesson with Ollie's contract the need to negotiate well and not overpay but I don't have a lot of confidence given this administration's track record. $1.5 million or move on to other candidates. I bet Otzelberger or Konkol would be excited to sign a $1 million contract and either one might prove to be a better choice in the long-term. Hurley is the most obvious choice but not necessarily the best choice.
 
Uconnfanatic said:
State institutions should not be allowed to be reckless with taxpayers. money, especially in a state as broke as Connecticut. It is not like Hurley stands head & shoulders above other alternatives. Hopefully DB learned a lesson with Ollie's contract the need to negotiate well and not overpay but I don't have a lot of confidence given this administration's track record. $1.5 million or move on to other candidates. I bet Otzelberger or Konkol would be excited to sign a $1 million contract and either one might prove to be a better choice in the long-term. Hurley is the most obvious choice but not necessarily the best choice.
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It's not taxpayer money.
 
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