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Goodman: 8 Pitt players transferring

uconnphil2016 said:
I dunno about that. I'd much rather coach Houston or one of the directional Floridas over teams like Illinois, Vanderbilt, Kansas, etc. You've got literally no chance of winning with some of those programs, whereas with the high level G5 teams you can have two good years and then get almost any job in America
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if you're still jumping and moving it off as a spring board, it's not that great of a gig.
 
the Q said:
To me this makes that job more attractive. You don't have to keep nearly as much dead weight as it's running itself off.

This is an almost unprecedented opportunity to basically get a P5 expansion program.
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New coach would run off any players he didn't want anyways so not sure it can possibly factor as a positive.
 
the Q said:
but how many times do you see it happen all at once like this?

Maybe 8 over 2-3 years, not in a week.
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He would run off every player he didn't see a future for and try to re-recruit anyone with a pulse. I understand what your thought process was but I very much disagree. Having 4 players on a team is never a benefit, especially if your name is not John Calipari and the date is mid-March.
 
buddy said:
Pitt is in the ACC. UConn is in the AAC. Pitt has P5 money. UConn is broke. Pitt is at the bottom of the ACC. UConn is near the bottom of the AAC. Boneyarders think a guy with a busted shoulder is going to miraculously lead UConn to the promised land of the NCAA tourney. Pitt will likely get all new players and start over. UConn will have the same players that they had last season for the most part. I wouldn't be mocking Pitt.
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Fine, I'll mock you.
Who on earth named you Buddy? Have they no decency?
 
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Walker11 said:
He would run off every player he didn't see a future for and try to re-recruit anyone with a pulse. I understand what your thought process was but I very much disagree. Having 4 players on a team is never a benefit, especially if your name is not John Calipari and the date is mid-March.
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And I completely understand your point of view. I get it.

It is late in the game.

But like I said, if you're the right coach and you can bring a bunch of your recruits with you, it really be a good building block.

Hurley is a great example. or fi they went with Oats and had 2 4 star frosh right away in that lineup.

they're not gonna be good year 1, but they were a dumpster fire this year. At least now they'd have a future.
 
the Q said:
But with the money disparity you have to wonder how long non-P5s can stay on that level without P5 money. UConn's athletic dept isnt' exactly swimming in cash.
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Disagree on the finances. Basketball revenues are driven by attendance, donations, and NCAA credits. UConn basketball can hold it's own on attendance and donations and hopefully, the AAC can become a better basketball conference and generate NCAA credits. Schools like UConn will spend on basketball because they can make money in basketball and it helps subsidize the athletic department.

The real issue for non-P5 schools is the non-revenue sports. Can you continue to spend on non-revenue sports to remain competitive with the P5 in those sports?

Another point on P5 schools in an era of conference realignment. When conferences get bigger, there are winners and losers within that conference. Pitt basketball is a case in point. They went from a top tier Big East team to a mid tier ACC team to a bottom feeder ACC team. Climbing out of that hole will not be easy. Who does Pitt have advantages over in the ACC? Certainly not Duke, UNC, Louisville, Syracuse, UVA, NC St., ... The upside for Pitt looks to be a mid tier ACC program. Sure, they could find a great coach, but I would argue that maintaining a high level of performance would be difficult.
 
the Q said:
And I completely understand your point of view. I get it.

It is late in the game.

But like I said, if you're the right coach and you can bring a bunch of your recruits with you, it really be a good building block.

Hurley is a great example. or fi they went with Oats and had 2 4 star frosh right away in that lineup.

they're not gonna be good year 1, but they were a dumpster fire this year. At least now they'd have a future.
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No matter how you spin it, recruiting for 9 spots on your roster is incredibly difficult and daunting at the least for a new coach coming in. How do you allocate your time to fill those holes?
 
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BaZZnBOAT said:
No matter how you spin it, recruiting for 9 spots on your roster is incredibly difficult and daunting at the least for a new coach coming in. How do you allocate your time to fill those holes?
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Not saying its easy.

Just saying it's an interesting opportunity.

And again, considering how bad Pitt was, i'm pretty sure you can get some grad transfers to fill in a lot of those spots and be better off for one year while you keep adding bigger classes on recruiting trail.

JUCO can obviously be an option, and you can do the Iowa St and be a major transfer destination.

Lots of ways to do it. Lots of ways to make it work. You basically get to give Pitt basketball a fresh start in a major conference where you can sell tons of PT against Duke, UNC, Virginia, Louisville etc.
 
businesslawyer said:
We didn't let MAL out to join KO at a new school.
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They won't hold him hostage.

he will either be released to talk to everyone, or he won't.

The coach will be gone, he'll ask to be let out like MAL was.

Then they'll have to see how it plays out. They could also go to another school that was recruiting them, it's not going to be automatically UConn if Hurley goes there.
 
Walker11 said:
He would run off every player he didn't see a future for and try to re-recruit anyone with a pulse. I understand what your thought process was but I very much disagree. Having 4 players on a team is never a benefit, especially if your name is not John Calipari and the date is mid-March.
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Aside from the money and conference prestige, I'm trying to think how Pitt is going to pitch this job to Hurley. You've got three guys returning from team coming off an 0-18 season in conference play. The conference is a nice sell, but Pitt will never be one of the best teams in the ACC, so you undertake this huge rebuilding effort just to crack the top 8 in the ACC? Dixon got Pitt to 5th place in the ACC in 2014 and was still fired. Such unrealistic expectations.
 
tcf15 said:
Aside from the money and conference prestige, I'm trying to think how Pitt is going to pitch this job to Hurley. You've got three guys returning from team coming off an 0-18 season in conference play. The conference is a nice sell, but Pitt will never be one of the best teams in the ACC, so you undertake this huge rebuilding effort just to crack the top 8 in the ACC? Dixon got Pitt to 5th place in the ACC in 2014 and was still fired. Such unrealistic expectations.
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I thought Dixon just left and wasn't fired.
 
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OK, for those who can’t see why Pitt could be a better job, don’t they play Duke, Carolina, Virginia and a bunch of schools better than we play? What about tv exposure? We play ECU and Tulane, Tulsa. Our glamour game is Cincy!
 
Terrell Brown is from Rhode Island and was recruited by Hurley and URI.

6-10 240 freshman with the following averages in his last 22 games: 5.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.0 bpg, 21.6 minutes/game? Good player to develop!
 
jibsey said:
OK, for those who can’t see why Pitt could be a better job, don’t they play Duke, Carolina, Virginia and a bunch of schools better than we play? What about tv exposure? We play ECU and Tulane, Tulsa. Our glamour game is Cincy!
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Yes, it's often best to compare the best programs in one conference with the worst programs in another.
 
jibsey said:
OK, for those who can’t see why Pitt could be a better job, don’t they play Duke, Carolina, Virginia and a bunch of schools better than we play? What about tv exposure? We play ECU and Tulane, Tulsa. Our glamour game is Cincy!
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How many players play at schools so they can play other schools? I never understood this argument.
 
Pitt will likely keep some of those eight players.

They’re a group that just went 0-19 in the ACC. There isn’t going to be a long line of schools waiting on most of them. Even now, Pitt is the best offer for most of ‘em.

Pitt was bad because the players were bad.
 
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tcf15 said:
Aside from the money and conference prestige, I'm trying to think how Pitt is going to pitch this job to Hurley. You've got three guys returning from team coming off an 0-18 season in conference play. The conference is a nice sell, but Pitt will never be one of the best teams in the ACC, so you undertake this huge rebuilding effort just to crack the top 8 in the ACC? Dixon got Pitt to 5th place in the ACC in 2014 and was still fired. Such unrealistic expectations.
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The job seems impossible. I am trying to consider what a stellar coaching job would yield in year 3. Something like .500 overall and slightly below .500 in conference? Woof. The AD needs to be invested in the coach for the long haul. It could be 4/5 years before they have a good product again.
 
A lot of people are quick to make the assumption that the players the coach is working with is the cause for failure. The pieces UConn has could be good, if there was a competent coach.

This comparison is a stretch, but I’m going to throw it out there nonetheless. Kolbe Cathedral in Bridgeport was a juggernaut of a program for years before coach Pfohl left and our beloved Chris Smith took over. The program went into the pits and went something like 5-37 in the last three seasons.

This year, Pfohl returned as coach and took the same kids that won one game last year and has them in the state championship game this year. Four of the starters were the same as last year and one freshman starts. Again I’m not saying this is a perfect comparison, but the fact is the same kids played the same teams as last year and with a good coach vastly improved. There’s no reason with a good coach like Hurley the boys at UConn couldn’t do the same.
 
Platt81 said:
A lot of people are quick to make the assumption that the players the coach is working with is the cause for failure. The pieces UConn has could be good, if there was a competent coach.

This comparison is a stretch, but I’m going to throw it out there nonetheless. Kolbe Cathedral in Bridgeport was a juggernaut of a program for years before coach Pfohl left and our beloved Chris Smith took over. The program went into the pits and went something like 5-37 in the last three seasons.

This year, Pfohl returned as coach and took the same kids that won one game last year and has them in the state championship game this year. Four of the starters were the same as last year and one freshman starts. Again I’m not saying this is a perfect comparison, but the fact is the same kids played the same teams as last year and with a good coach vastly improved. There’s no reason with a good coach like Hurley the boys at UConn couldn’t do the same.
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god, Kolbe was unstoppable when I was in HS.
 
Assuming salary is in the same ballpark how would Pitt be a better choice? Even without having to start from scratch they are basically the little sisters of the poor to Tobacco Road and Virgina in the ACC. If a rebuild is what Hurley wants than UConn offers a much clearer road.
 
the Q said:
How many of those Pitt guys would you want to keep anyway?
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Probably only 3: Carr (will be soph), Luther (would be grad xfer) and Wilson-Frame (will be soph and also a Hartford kid).
 
FartMan69 said:
Assuming salary is in the same ballpark how would Pitt be a better choice? Even without having to start from scratch they are basically the little sisters of the poor to Tobacco Road and Virgina in the ACC. If a rebuild is what Hurley wants than UConn offers a much clearer road.
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Again, there's an implicit (and wrong) assumption that every P5 job is better than any non-P5.

There are jobs better than UConn. I'd say, given the conference, maybe about 10. UConn offers tradition, a talented area to recruit from, a fan base that's among the best when the team is good, and (as we'll see) P5 money.

You win here, you own the state and you own the league. You'll get just as much national exposure as anyone outside of Duke/UK/KU/UNC.
 
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