Gilbert

[JimHurley]

Took a quick peak at the numbers again and here’s what I found. He played 11 games against P5/G5 competition (I included A-10 teams and Ivy League). His output is as followed in those games
20.3 PPG
6.3 assists/game
3 TOs/game
32% on 3s
35% on 2s
Nearly 8 free throws/game at 81%

Shooting percentages aren’t great but his usage rates in these games are really high. Probably due to lack of talent on his team and teams keying in on him all game. It’s hard to draw exact conclusions from these but I found the numbers interesting. They won’t ask him to score 20 a game here either. Just need solid, poised play and there’s no reason to think he won’t provide solid production. these stats don’t exactly scream back up QB to me.

Those shooting percentages are while he was double teamed every possession. It’s hard to shoot a good percentage when literally every opposing defense focuses their efforts on you.

 

[HooperScooper]

A recruiting analyst based in Florida has heard some graduate transfer talk about Gilbert down there. Would that surprise anyone?

 

[Hankster]

Look, Hurley has already taken two shots at bringing in the "big fish" we need -- Springs and Brown-Ferguson. Why are we so quick to write these guys off? We are bringing back starters at both the the 4 and 5, and we've already recruited back-ups behind both. Further, we have two other bigs on the injured list who may well be giving us serviceable minutes by the second half on next year. Meanwhile we have exactly two ball-handlers -- Gaffney and Cole -- an injury to either one leaving us having to alternate Bouk at point, a position where he clearly would be less effective as the Richard Hamilton rover he naturally is. Further we have a coach who loves to play 4-guards and is showing postitive results doing it. Further, bringing in Jackson next year only enhances the opportunity to go small and athletic at the corners. Net-net, the best use of AG's scholarship may well be to have AG hold onto it.

I never was a fan in small ball. 3 guards maybe.But 4?Your right it is working. We talk about bigs, Bouk is a rebound maniac. It seems at times he and CV were having a contest.

 

[intlzncster]

You brought up their height. Don't see how height is a problem. It's especially weird as a UConn fan when you saw UConn win national titles with backcourts of El-Amin & Ricky Moore, Taliek & Ben, Bazz & Boat.

Ben Gordon is 6'3 Taliek is 6'1 and Ricky is 6'2. That's not the short were talking about. They aren't even short in MCBB.

If Cole was that height, I'd be psyched. But he's reportedly more like Gilbert. And Gilbert's height is hurts us.

And you should be well aware that at a certain level of talent, height doesn't matter. ie Bazz/Boat. Guys like Cole and Gilbert ain't remotely in that realm.

 

[navery12]

Ben Gordon is 6'3 Taliek is 6'1 and Ricky is 6'2. That's not the short were talking about. They aren't even short in MCBB.

If Cole was that height, I'd be psyched. But he's reportedly more like Gilbert. And Gilbert's height is hurts us.

But vis a vis height itself, it doesn't matter, if you've got all time players. ie Bazz/Boat. Cole ain't remotely in that realm

And Jalen Gaffney is 6'2 so if Ben/Ricky/Taliek don't count then Jalen shouldn't either

 

[intlzncster]

And Jalen Gaffney is 6'2 so if Ben/Ricky/Taliek don't count then Jalen shouldn't either

Whoever said I was calling Jalen short? I'm calling a sub 6' two guard short. We talking about Cole and Cole alone here.

I said it's rough having a very short two guard (ie playing Cole at the 2). It's bad enough having a short PG (think Alterique/Cole), but at two guard it is more detrimental. Especially on D. He'll likely get his ass handed to him on D at the two.

If they were Bazz talented, then no worries

 

[nadav]

There is absolutely 0% chance Cole comes off the bench. Several people connected to the program have heard he’s looked like the best player in practice. He’s being given the keys from day 1.

There is absolutely 0% chance Cole is a better player than Bouk.

 

[Captbluefin]

Many here will look like idiots this time next year in regards to Gaffney.

Hurley is bringing him along and will be his extension on the floor. And the kid can score it not his job currently.

Cole is a different type of PG he is a PG by default because of his size. Cole is a SG/combo.

 

[JimHurley]

There is absolutely 0% chance Cole is a better player than Bouk.

Pretty bold statement for someone you’ve never seen play.

 

[Waquoit]

Once the season is over, it's time for AG to write the next chapter in his life.

 

[Captbluefin]

Pretty bold statement for someone you’ve never seen play.

Just as bold to think someone you never seen could be close to Bouk.

Could be a Ferrari in the garage or could be a Honda Accord

 

[navery12]

Whoever said I was calling Jalen short? I'm calling a sub 6' two guard short. We talking about Cole and Cole alone here.

I said it's rough having a very short two guard (ie playing Cole at the 2). It's bad enough having a short PG (think Alterique/Cole), but at two guard it is more detrimental. Especially on D. He'll likely get his ass handed to him on D at the two.

If they were Bazz talented, then no worries

But Cole won't be playing the 2, Gaffney will be playing the 2. So Cole being short for a 2 guard is irrelevant

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Once the season is over, it's time for AG to write the next chapter in his life.

I don't think it's your call.

 

[yungdowork]

I dunno about that. AG didn't do much world beating during the cupcake portion of our schedule.

honestly, I would make the argument that those games got him playing some really bad basketball because he thought he was so much better than those guys and was trying to do too much himself. He’s definitely looked more comfortable in a reduced role where the expectations are a little more relaxed

 

[polycom]

There is absolutely 0% chance Cole comes off the bench. Several people connected to the program have heard he’s looked like the best player in practice. He’s being given the keys from day 1.

So now it's multiple team managers, you "insiders" are funny people.

 

[nadav]

Pretty bold statement for someone you’ve never seen play.

I’ll take my chances

 

[superjohn]

Ben Gordon is 6'3 Taliek is 6'1 and Ricky is 6'2. That's not the short were talking about. They aren't even short in MCBB.

If Cole was that height, I'd be psyched. But he's reportedly more like Gilbert. And Gilbert's height is hurts us.

But vis a vis height itself, it doesn't matter, if you've got all time players. ie Bazz/Boat. Cole ain't remotely in that realm

The point is they'll play together along with Bouknight just like pretty much all our championship backcourts. Two point guards/playmakers we don't know which will be the more ball dominant one until we see them together in games. If your point is they aren't as good as all those backcourts that's an entirely different thing.

Ben Gordon is 6'1, Shabazz is 5'11, Boat is 5'10, Khalid is 5'9. Heights are often exaggerated but Gaff is clearly at least 6'2 and Bouk is clearly at least 6'4, Cole is 5'11 I think.

 

[JimHurley]

Just as bold to think someone you never seen could be close to Bouk.

Could be a Ferrari in the garage or could be a Honda Accord

The only reason I think that is because several people have said Cole has been the best player in practice.

 

[JimHurley]

So now it's multiple team managers, you "insiders" are funny people.

Not even close actually. I haven’t heard much on Cole. I believe it was BFieldHusky who said he’s heard Cole has been the best player in practice.

 

[PAHusky]

There is absolutely 0% chance Cole comes off the bench. Several people connected to the program have heard he’s looked like the best player in practice. He’s being given the keys from day 1.

The ones who said the same about Purvis? The ones hyping Sid up? I think Cole will be good but this sort of hyperbole and expectations are peak boneyard

 

[JimHurley]

The ones who said the same about Purvis? The ones hyping Sid up? I think Cole will be good but this sort of hyperbole and expectations are peak boneyard

Time will prove all the doubters wrong. No point in arguing over a guy nobody has seen play in high D1 basketball. I’m just going off what I’ve heard and it’s all been good.

 

[polycom]

Time will prove all the doubters wrong. No point in arguing over a guy nobody has seen play in high D1 basketball. I’m just going off what I’ve heard and it’s all been good.

you just said you haven’t heard much... what is with these lies.

Not even close actually. I haven’t heard much on Cole. I believe it was BFieldHusky who said he’s heard Cole has been the best player in practice.

 

[rip7774]

I don’t remember any hype like purvis got for Sid, but maybe I’m misremembering.
sid still so raw years later can’t imagine it.

think about how many players we’ve seen in the ncaas from smaller schools and thinking to ourselves ‘man we can use that guy’- Cole was a Player of the Year in his league.

Smaller school Stars are often really skilled guys that are smaller in size or not crazy projectible speed/strength wise.

After the last few years of KO, give me skilled guys all day long over all athletes. Obviously u need a mix, but we’ve been crazy deficient in skill for years and starting to fix that.

thats why I’m and I’d guess many others are so excited about Cole.

 

[JimHurley]

you just said you haven’t heard much... what is with these lies.

What lies? I myself have not heard much. But he’s drawing praise from everyone who has gotten info. Are you ignoring all the insiders saying he’s the best player in practice? When I say “I’m just going off what I’ve heard” that means what I’ve read on this board from people who are connected...not me personally. There is absolutely no reason for me to lie on this board.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The point is they'll play together along with Bouknight just like pretty much all our championship backcourts. Two point guards/playmakers we don't know which will be the more ball dominant one until we see them together in games. If your point is they aren't as good as all those backcourts that's an entirely different thing.

Ben Gordon is 6'1, Shabazz is 5'11, Boat is 5'10, Khalid is 5'9. Heights are often exaggerated but Gaff is clearly at least 6'2 and Bouk is clearly at least 6'4, Cole is 5'11 I think.

Yes, and what matters is who they defend. Cole isn't AG on the defensive side (as reported at least) but he will defend the other team's shorter, PG. Gaff is better equipped to guard a SG, and Bouk either SG or SF (especially if he can add a little muscle).

On a team where we are lately playing Brendan Adams at PF people seem awfully hung up on who the PG is. Hurley hasn't built this roster in a way that requires the offense to flow through one guy. He doesn't want a ball dominant PG out there. It's why Alterique's style didn't fit that well. He wants five guys, all moving, all moving the ball in the air. Jackson might lead this team in assists, or at least assists per minute played.

 

[imno1]

Not even close actually. I haven’t heard much on Cole. I believe it was BFieldHusky who said he’s heard Cole has been the best player in practice.

This seems to contradict your other posts.

 

[JimHurley]

This seems to contradict your other posts.

From my post literally about hour ago:

What lies? I myself have not heard much. But he’s drawing praise from everyone who has gotten info. Are you ignoring all the insiders saying he’s the best player in practice? When I say “I’m just going off what I’ve heard” that means what I’ve read on this board from people who are connected...not me personally. There is absolutely no reason for me to lie on this board.

 

[intlzncster]

But Cole won't be playing the 2, Gaffney will be playing the 2. So Cole being short for a 2 guard is irrelevant

We were just discussing Cole playing the two! That was my whole retort to the guy...that that would be a bad idea.

This is what he said and what I was responding to:

I'd prefer to wait before speculating, but curious to know more about Cole. If he is a shooter and can play off the ball, he can fill into CV's shoes and JG and AG handle the primary ball handling duties. That way with Bouk we remain a 3 headed dog. But I trust in Hurley and Al coming to the best mutual conclusion. Personally, as a fan, I'd like to see him back. Just pleased that he's still fighting and got through the bumps to contribute in a limited role.

I get it, I just think having a short ass two guard is rough. Bad enough at the point.

 

[Jay-Bone]

We were just discussing Cole playing the two! That was my whole retort to the guy...that that would be a bad idea.

This is what he said and what I was responding to:

The point that I was driving at, is not that guard roles have to be purely categorized as 1, 2 or 3, but more so on their capabilities. We need a shooter. To me, Gaff and AG in their current state are not great shooters. They are more geared to primarily handling the ball, breaking the press, calling plays, leading the offense and making assists. If Cole falls into this mold, then maybe AG isn't quite as needed. If Cole can play off the ball more and be a catch and shooter, then AG is more valuable.

Isn't Cole 6'+? I don't see that as too short for the 2. Its not like we would have AG and Boatright both out there at once.

 

[HuskyBoi]

Just as bold to think someone you never seen could be close to Bouk.

Could be a Ferrari in the garage or could be a Honda Accord

he will be either a Purvis or a Gibbs. thanks for bringing back the Ferrari analogy