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Gilbert out for season...again

I hope so too, but I also wish he will be able to get months of shooting practice in - without that he won’t be as effective.

Regarding, did the surgeon screw up? I was asked that question by another poster since I had come out early on and said he shouldn’t play this year after the re-injury.

I said I did not know if someone screwed up, obviously I don’t have the data to make the call. As I said some time ago, I go by what I see and something just seems strange about this recuperation process. He was reinjuried last summer to some extent causing the panic about a new and better brace, which begs the question why he did not have that better brace in the first place? Then he is given the green light yet again and yet again it’s just a matter of a few games and he’s re-injuried just like last year, despite wearing the brace. Then it takes a month to determine the next step after consulting Dr Andrews group. It has NOT been a smooth process, I do know that.
Leaving all the above aside, I will simply say that the decision process is not very often a straight line in a revision situation, and also that there is no such thing as a 100% successful orthopaedic procedure. Everything has a failure rate, including the revision itself, particularly for high level athletes. I was at a baseball course where Dr. Andrews was speaking, and he recommended not ever doing rotator cuff surgery on a major league pitcher. Why? Because only 1 of 8 he had done returned to the majors.
 
It has to do with the joint itself, unlike the hip which is a true "ball & socket" joint. The shoulder is a composition of 3 bones (scapula, clivacle and humerus) with the first 2 forming a partial socket (not full), unlike the pelvis. In saying that, the shoulder joint is supported with multiple ligaments and tendons drawn in numerous directions to create a stable joint. Once you compromise that joint, it is very hard to recreate its natural stabililty. Even with surgery, it is never a sure thing to be 100% again. I wouldn't blame surgeon unless there was some kind of gross negligence during the procedure.
These injuries require intensive rehab over a long duration to build stabilizing muscle strength to help support the compromised shoulder joint. Getting back mobility and having it feel ok is only half the battle. Generally, you want the surrounding muscle structures to be much stronger than they were before injury. Sounds like it was rushed with a view of hoping the shoulder wouldn't suffer another trauma.
 
There's good odds a broken AG will be our best player next year, let that sink in...

I'd say the odds are much higher the best player on our team next year is a senior Jalen Adams
 
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Leaving all the above aside, I will simply say that the decision process is not very often a straight line in a revision situation, and also that there is no such thing as a 100% successful orthopaedic procedure. Everything has a failure rate, including the revision itself, particularly for high level athletes. I was at a baseball course where Dr. Andrews was speaking, and he recommended not ever doing rotator cuff surgery on a major league pitcher. Why? Because only 1 of 8 he had done returned to the majors.

Makes sense, to me the key is your comment about “high level athletes”. They are not returning from surgery to a desk job but rather high level stressful competition. The thresholds are much higher for that.
 
At this point I just want him to graduate with a viable degree while playing 'some' basketball. Any and all court production would be a bonus to our team's success.
 
I'm sure he feels worse than we do, or at least most of us do, it's his life and his career and his dreams in play here

I believe some "fans" are happy, thinking this will give them a better chance to scream obscenities at Ollie during games. Others actually think he's nothing special and the team didn't perform better with him on the court. Not sure which is of them worse.

Wishing you all the best AG. Thanks for choosing UConn and hoping you can look back and laugh at all of this someday.
 
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Poor kid, hope he can come back and play at a high level again.

Does this give Ollie another pass? This was his guy.
 
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Best wishes to Gilbert for a speedy and full recovery. He deserves the chance to show what he can do when healthy. He’s had tough breaks.

As for UConn, we need to stick with him and have him stick with us. If he can become what we think he can be, he is critical to our future. If he’s really lucky, he will have a coach that knows how to run a decent offense.
 
Assuming that Gilbert won’t want to miss almost 3 straight years, and Wilson won’t want to miss 2 straight, I think even with a coaching change, they’d both be back next year. Not a bad time to transition coaches...

We lose KO, then we will lose Akinjo. We need that kid. Transition in coaching happens when a program is stable, not when we are trying to rebuild.
 
We lose KO, then we will lose Akinjo. We need that kid. Transition in coaching happens when a program is stable, not when we are trying to rebuild.
When a good coach comes in and has a ton of PT to offer, a good recruit will come. Hopefully they would be able to keep Akinjo in house but there should be some talent that pops up.
 
Why on earth would anyone want Sid to waste a year of eligibility for this?

Sid is probably not going to play 4 years anyways so he might as well play. Kids not jumping ship for pro careers and staying all 4 years is rare for players his caliber.
 
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We lose KO, then we will lose Akinjo. We need that kid. Transition in coaching happens when a program is stable, not when we are trying to rebuild.

The fate of the program does not hinge on a fringe-Top-100 recruit, no matter how underrated we think he might be.

It does, however, hinge on a coach's ability to run all aspects of a major program, which KO has failed to demonstrate.
 
The fate of the program does not hinge on a fringe-Top-100 recruit, no matter how underrated we think he might be.

It does, however, hinge on a coach's ability to run all aspects of a major program, which KO has failed to demonstrate.
Don't know why so many fail to see this.
 
The fate of the program does not hinge on a fringe-Top-100 recruit, no matter how underrated we think he might be.

It does, however, hinge on a coach's ability to run all aspects of a major program, which KO has failed to demonstrate.

KO has never been a Head coach before UConn. He is young coach and is learning some valuable lessons. I think he has learned his lesson and will improve in areas he is lacking as a coach. Imo his future as a coach is promising and we are lucky to have him. Watch him become one of the best coaches in the game at some other school and then we will be kicking ourselves for letting him go. They say one does not appreciate something good until it's gone. Well I'm not willing to take the risk. Our credibility as a program does not rest on the last 2 or 3 years. We had some unfortunate things happen to us. We need to be patient and good things will happen.
 
Sid is probably not going to play 4 years anyways so he might as well play. Kids not jumping ship for pro careers and staying all 4 years is rare for players his caliber.
His caliber? How good do you think he is? Rankings aren't the be all end all but he was ranked in the 50-75 range. How many kids in that range every year go to the NBA before exhausting all 4 years? I'd guess not that many. I'm not saying it isn't possible but I don't think most people are expecting him to come in here and be a 2 or 3 and done. I hope he's that good.

Napier and Lamb were ranked in that range and ended up being really good and Lamb ended up being a 2 and done. But I don't think anyone thought Lamb was a 2 and done when he came to UConn. I'd lower your expectations for Wilson.
 
KO has never been a Head coach before UConn. He is young coach and is learning some valuable lessons. I think he has learned his lesson and will improve in areas he is lacking as a coach. Imo his future as a coach is promising and we are lucky to have him. Watch him become one of the best coaches in the game at some other school and then we will be kicking ourselves for letting him go. They say one does not appreciate something good until it's gone. Well I'm not willing to take the risk. Our credibility as a program does not rest on the last 2 or 3 years. We had some unfortunate things happen to us. We need to be patient and good things will happen.

This is my view as well. He has some real strengths -- a coach who didn't have strengths couldn't have won a national championship in 2014 with a team with one future NBAer; and he couldn't recruit guys like James Akinjo to a weaker conference, across the country.

He needs to recognize his weaknesses and either repair them or assemble a group of assistant coaches that is strong in all his weak areas. Some things he can't delegate, such as emotional leadership of the team, and leading by example (hard work, persistence, emotional stability). But many things he can. He would probably benefit from having a strong ex-head coach like George Blaney as an assistant. And he needs to provide "tough love" to his players and get them to give 100% effort every play, especially when it comes to effort aspects of the game like defense, rebounding, screening, and loose balls; and to do the work off the court such as film study and strength and conditioning.

I think he's learning what it takes to be a coach, but hasn't gotten there yet. He has peeled off the top few layers of the onion though, replacing coaches that didn't fit (e.g. Miller) with ones that do (Chillious) and learning how to recruit (with Chill's help, recruiting has improved). It will take at least a few years to get the remaining aspects of head coaching down, but if he works hard, loves hard, and is humble and honest, he will figure it out.

Switching coaches, with the player losses that might entail, would also cost us a few years. So AD Benedict has to make a judgment about whether KO is learning fast enough, and whether he can bring in a top coach who can get us to the top faster. I think with the payoff that will come from sticking by KO and maintaining the "UConn family" tradition, it will be hard not to give KO more time.
 
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It was his call to can Glen Miller and giving Miller his pink slip cost us MAL.

Let me just say it’s all in the execution - there’s ways to terminate employees without exposing your firm to unnecessary risk. One, recruits need to be babysat and two the departing employee should be given instructions not to sabotage anything directly or indirectly or else suffer very specific repercussions. None of this was done well.
 
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