Gerritt Cole

[ihatepants]

Except that the Yankees stole signs too

They did not. Do you have proof of this, or are you just going by the BS that's in your head because you hate the Yankees?

At the time, the league announced that the Yankees had "violated a rule governing the use of a dugout phone." What MLB didn't say was that no one had accused the Yankees of cheating.

Their previously unreported actual offense, according to major league sources?

A member of the team, likely then-pitching coach Larry Rothschild, used the dugout phone to call replay coordinator Brett Weber and ask if a particular pitch was a ball or a strike. This did not even occur in 2017, but in a prior season. Weber openly admitted this to the league during its investigation. That's it. Technically a violation, but hardly on the same level as an Apple Watch scheme.

The league drew a clear line before the 2018 season, and this is where the paths of the Yankees and Red Sox diverge.

According to multiple major league sources, the league is not investigating or aware of any allegations that the Yankees used their replay room to steal signs in 2018 or 2019.

https://sny.tv/articles/what-are-the-yankees-accused-of-in-signstealing-scandal-and-what-are-the-facts

 

[Scoe]

Except that the Yankees stole signs too

Not to the degree that the Astros did having a team wide scandal. For over a year.

 

[Scoe]

The Mitchell report was a total crock btw not a single Redsox players on the list.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

Let me preface that I’m a Yankees fan.

This sound byte nearly proves he uses a sticky substance to improve grip and spin rate.

However, is it Cole’s responsibility to take the brunt of this? No.

Spin rates are through the roof and, like steroids before, if Cole is guilty then a sizable percentage of pitchers are too.

 

[NC_Uconn_Fan]

Pitchers have always used some sort of substance for grip. The reason no managers make an issue during the game is because they have pitchers doing the same. This goes on in every level of baseball. The only time you see a manger call out another player is if it is so ridiculously obviously, see Michael Pineda from a few years ago. Was basically wearing pine tar everywhere. Interesting to see where this goes.

 

[storrsroars]

Seems like any pitcher who went to Houston for a period of time over the last few years became Sandy Koufax overnight. Verlander found the fountain of youth, Morton went from an okay pitcher to a great pitcher and Cole became God. I'm sure their blase' attitude toward the rules didn't stop with the hitters so even as a Yankee fan, I can realistically assume that Cole (among others) is no angel.

I honestly don't believe Morton cheated by using gunk. He started his turnaround at the very end of his time with Pirates and was looking great with Phils before getting injured. Morton is all about doing the right thing.

Cole..not so much.

 

[djct1999]

So Gerritt Cole just essentially admitted to cheating. Where is the outrage from all the Yankee fans who crucified the Astros and the Red Sox for stealing signs?? (Which by the way the Yankees were doing too). Same group that love hopping on Manny and Big Papi but are silent about Giambi, Clemens and AFraud. They are all cheating. Some get caught some don’t. Some are more obvious than others. I actually give Cole credit for not blatantly lying like all the rest.

You take steroids away from Arod or Barry Bonds and they are hall of famers. You take steriods away from David Ortiz, he hits .230 with 13 home runs. In all, I'd say the Sox and in particular, Ortiz, got a major pass.

 

[aburks41]

MLB juiced the ball a few years ago so pitchers started using sticky stuff to get an advantage again. Now the ball is dejuiced and pitchers are just too good. I guarantee you 90% of pitchers use something to gain an advantage. Pretending like Cole is the only one is a total joke, and if the Yanks let their ace be the fall guy for this then they need new PR people.

 

[CL82]

You take steroids away from Arod or Barry Bonds and they are hall of famers. You take steriods away from David Ortiz, he hits .230 with 13 home runs. In all, I'd say the Sox and in particular, Ortiz, got a major pass.

Lol I’m sure you would, but that doesn’t make it accurate.

 

[Mr. French]

What a dork how he answered that.

 

[the Q]

MLB juiced the ball a few years ago so pitchers started using sticky stuff to get an advantage again. Now the ball is dejuiced and pitchers are just too good. I guarantee you 90% of pitchers use something to gain an advantage. Pretending like Cole is the only one is a total joke, and if the Yanks let their ace be the fall guy for this then they need new PR people.

I don’t think anyone is.

But when you have a 300m contract you are going to be the target, especially with an answer like that.

Pitchers have been allowed to use rosin for a long time.

That’s all they need. Anything else is cheating.

A fair compromise is to move the mound back 2 feet but give them a little more on the seams, mlb balls are like pool cue balls

 

[Magruber]

If I were Gerrit Cole I wouldnt wanna pitch right now with this Yankee lineup. Whatever let pitchers us pine tar and doctor the ball, and juice the ball too and let batters use pine tar on their bat who cares. Let teams use the shift if they want go ahead and steal bases. You know what bring back steroids, MLB knew about that its what brought baseball back.

Ya Yankees used roids and so did Sox players so what. Astros used technology thats a big difference, stealing signs isnt in the same ball park.

Um, wrong.
Cheating is Cheating.
Period.

You seemingly are say some people are better cheaters than others. They're all bad.

 

[Palatine]

Wow is this painful.

 

[CTBasketball]

How would you give both the pitcher and the hitter an advantage? That doesn't make sense.

Anyway, pitchers don't need a bigger advantage. The collective batting average in baseball is lower than it's been in something like 50 years, it's like .235 or something. Bums are throwing no-hitters. If you took your average major league starter and gave him a time machine to the 60s or 70s he's a top of the line starter and Cy Young candidate.

Lower the mound again, juice the balls, let them cork their bats. Do something.

The reason averages are so low is because MLB and it’s franchises has been incentivizing the HR. Teams would rather have a guy with a .230 BA, 40 HR, 100 RBI, and 150 K’s than a guy who hits .310, 5 HR, 40 RBI, 30 SB and 75 K’s.

It’s not the pitcher’s fault (or the field dimension’s fault) that a hitter down 0-2 doesn’t look to make contact to send it opposite field. The game has changed for the worse within the last 5-10 years because of this power-minded approach.

 

[aburks41]

The reason averages are so low is because MLB and it’s franchises has been incentivizing the HR. Teams would rather have a guy with a .230 BA, 40 HR, 100 RBI, and 150 K’s than a guy who hits .310, 5 HR, 40 RBI, 30 SB and 75 K’s.

It’s not the pitcher’s fault (or the field dimension’s fault) that a hitter down 0-2 doesn’t look to make contact to send it opposite field. The game has changed for the worse within the last 5-10 years because of this power-minded approach.

Three True Outcomes has been the worst thing to ever happen to baseball

 

[the Q]

Three True Outcomes has been the worst thing to ever happen to baseball

It’s similar to the trash 3 and layup basketball.

Football was the biggest winner of analytics. More passing

 

[Psolo12]

Played baseball in college and got a few friends that are currently in pro ball at different levels and they say every single pitcher uses some form of this without fail. If you're not using it, you're simply not as competitive as those who do. Either MLB has to come down on everyone or make some form of the pine tar concoction legal.

 

[the Q]

Played baseball in college and got a few friends that are currently in pro ball at different levels and they say every single pitcher uses some form of this without fail. If you're not using it, you're simply not as competitive as those who do. Either MLB has to come down on everyone or make some form of the pine tar concoction legal.

Anything that isn’t rosin should be banned.

Only spray on sunscreen is allowed.

Simple

 

[mauconnfan]

I honestly don't believe Morton cheated by using gunk. He started his turnaround at the very end of his time with Pirates and was looking great with Phils before getting injured. Morton is all about doing the right thing.

Cole..not so much.

Please, Morton was a no one then boom, the Astros. All of their pitchers all got better when they arrived after their careers were falling including Verlander. All pitchers are probably doing something to enhance their ability who knows what each do from scuffing, pine tar to now this. Hell years ago they tried not to let pitchers wipe their brow to gain an advantage now they do it all the time on the rubber.

 

[mauconnfan]

The Mitchell report was a total crock btw not a single Redsox players on the list.

You saw it LOL? Guessing there were plenty. It was rampant throughout the league thinking anything else is ridiculous.

 

[superjohn]

I honestly don't believe Morton cheated by using gunk. He started his turnaround at the very end of his time with Pirates and was looking great with Phils before getting injured. Morton is all about doing the right thing.

Cole..not so much.

Lol, you're naive.

 

[superjohn]

It’s similar to the trash 3 and layup basketball.

Football was the biggest winner of analytics. More passing

I find football close to unwatchable now.

 

[cohenzone]

I hear you and wish they would all come clean but I don't know a single Yankee fan who was ever silent or pretended Giambi, Clemens, and AFraud weren't juicing. ARod is probably the most hated Yankee of all-time.

I don’t know about that as far as being hated goes. He was guilty but so were at a minimum dozens of other players who weren’t punished the same way.

As far as Cole goes, ditto. One player names him but if the Yankee hater who started this thread thinks almost every other pitcher isn’t doing the same, I have a bridge to sell them. That said, pitching is way too dominant today. Especially with almost every team having 3 or 4 one inning late game studs. Comebacks are rare. Although I blame hitters for being HR crazy and not hitting away from over shift, maybe the shift should be outlawed, at least to the point where 2 infielders have to be somewhere on one side of second base and the second baseman can’t be playing short field.

 

[Rico444]

I read something the other day that Bauer and Cole both have had their spin rates climb to insane levels the last few years, coinciding with their dominant stats. deGrom's have stayed fairly level, and in fact I believe his spin rate has dropped a little this year.

In an article in (I think?) the Athletic, they documented how spider tack added around 500 RPMs to pitchers' spin rates almost immediately, and even one of the writers for their website throwing 49 MPH fastballs gained 500 RPMs after applying spider tack. I get that pitchers are going to use something to help with grip, and I don't have a problem with a little something like rosin, but this stuff is definitely over the line.

 

[Psolo12]

I read something the other day that Bauer and Cole both have had their spin rates climb to insane levels the last few years, coinciding with their dominant stats. deGrom's have stayed fairly level, and in fact I believe his spin rate has dropped a little this year.

In an article in (I think?) the Athletic, they documented how spider tack added around 500 RPMs to pitchers' spin rates almost immediately, and even one of the writers for their website throwing 49 MPH fastballs gained 500 RPMs after applying spider tack. I get that pitchers are going to use something to help with grip, and I don't have a problem with a little something like rosin, but this stuff is definitely over the line.

Don't really like Bauer even though I think some of the stuff he does is beneficial to the game. But in his defense he only started doing it after he called people out for it and said it was an unfair advantage and then nobody did anything about it.