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Mechelle Voepel said she believes UCONN is the better team but she will continue to vote for SC unless they lose, seems hypocritical to me. So if the voters don't vote according to who they think is the better team, how much stock can you place in the polls?
A better question is why even have humans involved in them then? We could just make the rankings auto generated by sorting teams' winning percentages in descending order. Done. No controversy, no opinions, no biases.
 
"It's because they're afraid that we're on the verge of supplanting them as the top program in WBB. They are upset that we're number one in the polls, they're upset that we signed A'ja Wilson and they're upset that they're stuck in the AAC, while we're enjoying the SEC's riches. It will take a few years, but their conference affiliation plus Geno getting close to retirement is going to end their extended stay at the top. Dawn is only 44 and Geno is 60."

Gee whiz, 'Horn, are the UConn fans that bad on the ESPN forum or whatever you are talking about in this post in Cocky Talk Fowl Shots. I can see why you come around here now!
 
The ND board (McGraw's Bench) is actually full of reasonable posters and posts. Perhaps the only fan board that I've found that's like that, though there was a ridiculous post on there saying that Tenn could beat UConn after the Tenn-ND game.
 
"It's because they're afraid that we're on the verge of supplanting them as the top program in WBB. They are upset that we're number one in the polls, they're upset that we signed A'ja Wilson and they're upset that they're stuck in the AAC, while we're enjoying the SEC's riches. It will take a few years, but their conference affiliation plus Geno getting close to retirement is going to end their extended stay at the top. Dawn is only 44 and Geno is 60."

Gee whiz, 'Horn, are the UConn fans that bad on the ESPN forum or whatever you are talking about in this post in Cocky Talk Fowl Shots. I can see why you come around here now!

Yes, on the ESPN forums, not on here.

I hadn't even thought about visiting our game thread on ESPN until someone said they were the lone wolf over there. I'm really just worried about Texas A&M right now and hoping for our first WBB complete sell out on Monday night.
 
I really don't see how SC is going to score over 50 pts against UConn. I will give SC 50-55 pts against UConns defense. Now how is SC going to keep UConn from scoring 70 pts???? I really don't see it not even in a dream. There is a lot of parity in WCBB. UConn is not part of it. UConn is at a different level. Right now they are not beatable. Ive said UConn by 25+ and it may be more. I don't see the game closer then 20 unless there are crazy injuries to UConn. In WCBB there are a lot of good teams then there is the UConn Machine . That's what they are a highly disciplined machine that runs their plays like a well oiled machine. They always have and it continues this season. Cuse Duke and Kentucky are all teams that UConn has continued to blow out and SC hasn't. There is a big difference right there. This is not a "what if" game or a game you pray to win and hope for some breaks or calls. UConn is above that. This is how do you stay in the game with UConn and keep in close. Baylor had 6'9 Griner and with Griner was 2-2 against UConn. ND with their flops beat UConn but when the flops were obvious and the refs stopped calling them UConn blew ND out. Now SC is not close to either the Griner team or ND team and they don't do flops. If SC comes out nervous this game could be over in the first half. I think it will. I expect UConn up at half time by double digits and how many will depend on how well UConn shoots the ball. It doesn't matter what SC does. They don't have the chemistry to stop UConn or the perimeter defense to stop UConn.
 
Yes, on the ESPN forums, not on here.

I hadn't even thought about visiting our game thread on ESPN until someone said they were the lone wolf over there. I'm really just worried about Texas A&M right now and hoping for our first WBB complete sell out on Monday night.

A&M is falling apart in chunks. You guys have nothing to worry about. They don't play like a Gary Blair club. A mystery.
 
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I think South Carolina will put up 50+ on UConn. Just like Creighton, Green Bay, Vandy, USF, Temple, DePaul, Tulsa, and St. John's were able to. I think South Carolina has a slightly better offense than those teams. Even the depleted UCF team we just played almost put up 50 on UConn.
 
I really don't see how SC is going to score over 50 pts against UConn. I will give SC 50-55 pts against UConns defense. Now how is SC going to keep UConn from scoring 70 pts???? I really don't see it not even in a dream. There is a lot of parity in WCBB. UConn is not part of it. UConn is at a different level. Right now they are not beatable. Ive said UConn by 25+ and it may be more. I don't see the game closer then 20 unless there are crazy injuries to UConn. In WCBB there are a lot of good teams then there is the UConn Machine . That's what they are a highly disciplined machine that runs their plays like a well oiled machine. They always have and it continues this season. Cuse Duke and Kentucky are all teams that UConn has continued to blow out and SC hasn't. There is a big difference right there. This is not a "what if" game or a game you pray to win and hope for some breaks or calls. UConn is above that. This is how do you stay in the game with UConn and keep in close. Baylor had 6'9 Griner and with Griner was 2-2 against UConn. ND with their flops beat UConn but when the flops were obvious and the refs stopped calling them UConn blew ND out. Now SC is not close to either the Griner team or ND team and they don't do flops. If SC comes out nervous this game could be over in the first half. I think it will. I expect UConn up at half time by double digits and how many will depend on how well UConn shoots the ball. It doesn't matter what SC does. They don't have the chemistry to stop UConn or the perimeter defense to stop UConn.
South Carolina has played in some close games against decent competition on the road. Say what you want about what that means, but if nothing else they are battle tested and have proven that they can pull out the close game in a hostile environment. I really doubt Storrs is going to be any more imposing than the Cameron Crazies or the bourbon drunk crowd at Rupp. It was a good decision to have the game at Storrs so at least the students can be there, rather than at one of the other CT sites where the crowds are generally full of older folks.
 
I really doubt Storrs is going to be any more imposing than the Cameron Crazies or the bourbon drunk crowd at Rupp. It was a good decision to have the game at Storrs so at least the students can be there, rather than at one of the other CT sites where the crowds are generally full of older folks.

Hoops, Gampell will be considerably more imposing than Cameron or Rupp - and, it won't be because of the students, the blue-hairs, nor the bourbon. It'll be because of the team, and the coach, sitting on the home bench. You play UConn at Storrs, well .... :eek:
 
South Carolina has played in some close games against decent competition on the road. Say what you want about what that means, but if nothing else they are battle tested and have proven that they can pull out the close game in a hostile environment. I really doubt Storrs is going to be any more imposing than the Cameron Crazies or the bourbon drunk crowd at Rupp. It was a good decision to have the game at Storrs so at least the students can be there, rather than at one of the other CT sites where the crowds are generally full of older folks.

Cameron wasnt an imposing atmosphere at all for SC....... they had at least 2,000-2,300 fans in attendance (maybe more) and they got there very early.... and grabbed up most of the general admission seats on the lower level opposite the SC bench. I was in the reserved seating section in the lower level... and was surrounded by loud SC fans. This will be their first real road test of the year.
 
So to recap your 1st paragraph: A'ja Wilson - a bench player for USC that you predicted would be among our top scorers - won't wear down as long as she has good teammates around her. So therefore USC's "bench impact" - with Wilson a part of it - "won't be near" what we think it will be?

Are you saying that it will be much better?

I'm saying you're bench won't impact the game nearly as much as you think.

And I was saying as Wilson gets older (i.e. her soph, jr and sr year) she isn't going to "wear down" from opposing team's bench's just like yours won't do that to us as long as she continues to get good teammates. You'll learn when opposing fans predict "their bench" will wear down Wilson - that its because they don't understand how great the superstar is. It's not like -- one team's starting 5 is better but the other team's bench is better ---- so that makes it even.
 
Cameron wasnt an imposing atmosphere at all for SC.. they had at least 2,000-2,300 fans in attendance (maybe more) and they got there very early.... and grabbed up most of the general admission seats on the lower level opposite the SC bench. I was in the reserved seating section in the lower level... and was surrounded by loud SC fans. This will be their first real road test of the year.

I know how you felt when we play Kentucky at home in MBB today - they were about 30% of the crowd, which is a lot of people out of 18,000. They're like Ohioans - they've all moved to South Carolina.

Edit: I just realized how idiotic that statement was since I'm from New Jersey, lol.
 
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I think South Carolina will put up 50+ on UConn. Just like Creighton, Green Bay, Vandy, USF, Temple, DePaul, Tulsa, and St. John's were able to. I think South Carolina has a slightly better offense than those teams. Even the depleted UCF team we just played almost put up 50 on UConn.
UConn let up and by that I mean pulled off the press, stopped the fast break, held the ball and played a half court game and played the non starters. BTW how badly did UConn beat those teams for them to score over 50pts? If SC scores over 55 pts its because UConn is up 30+ pts and Geno is calling off the dogs much like he did against the teams you mentioned. Against SC don't count on it. UConn is much quicker, has more shooters, has better ballhandlers. Whats going to hurt SC is lack of quickness, unable to defend the perimeter and get back on defense, and lack of ball handlers. UConn doesn't make to many mistakes and has 5 starters who can take you inside and out with good ball handling skills, terrific passing and team chemistry. If you think SC is going to make this a game think again. UConn has way to much of everything. I would expect Mitchell to be shadowed and UConn to pack it in much like they did with a very tall Duke team. SC hasn't never played a team like UConn.

UConn is going to win the NC going away this season. Next season we will see but with the nucleaus coming back and the next 3 freshman classes coming in UConn will on top of the polls for a very long time.
 
UConn let up and by that I mean pulled off the press, stopped the fast break, held the ball and played a half court game and played the non starters. BTW how badly did UConn beat those teams for them to score over 50pts? If SC scores over 55 pts its because UConn is up 30+ pts and Geno is calling off the dogs much like he did against the teams you mentioned. Against SC don't count on it. UConn is much quicker, has more shooters, has better ballhandlers. Whats going to hurt SC is lack of quickness, unable to defend the perimeter and get back on defense, and lack of ball handlers. UConn doesn't make to many mistakes and has 5 starters who can take you inside and out with good ball handling skills, terrific passing and team chemistry. If you think SC is going to make this a game think again. UConn has way to much of everything. I would expect Mitchell to be shadowed and UConn to pack it in much like they did with a very tall Duke team. SC hasn't never played a team like UConn.

UConn is going to win the NC going away this season. Next season we will see but with the nucleaus coming back and the next 3 freshman classes coming in UConn will on top of the polls for a very long time.
It's nice to see you don't lack confidence. Reality maybe, but not confidence. Maybe chutzpah, even.
 
It's nice to see you don't lack confidence. Reality maybe, but not confidence. Maybe chutzpah, even.
Ive been following this team along time. Geno mentally is at a different level then any coach in almost any sport. His team is on the same page. Geno imo studies great coaches and motivators. He doesn't take every great player. He knows what he is looking for in a player. SC is a good team. Its just that UConn is at a different level than any team in WCBB. Excluding the fluke at Stanford over the past few seasons UConn has won every game by double digits. I am very confident but Im not cocky no pun intended. Unless Geno calls off the dogs out of respect for Dawn this game will be just like all the rest of UConns games . A double digit win and imo by 25+.

With what Geno has coming in in freshman classes over the next 3 years I don't see things changing all that much. UConn is a well oiled machine that does not have to be fire ring on all cylinders to blow out opponents. They've proven that over and over. Opponents fire ring on all cylinders don't beat UConn.
 
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I know the poster is just trying to get a reaction with his usual tripe, but geesh when the backup PG plays 21 minutes (MoJeff got 18) and the team hits 100, there really isn't much too complain about. Just ask Geno, who's hard pressed at halftime and after games to work up a believable "we really need to get really really better at this" type of statement for public consumption. Sure Saniya has been a "mystery" at times this year, but the ending to this mystery is beginning to look pretty good, and Geno doesn't have her running the floor for 21 minutes because the team "falls apart" when they play. The lead just keeps growing.

Courtney can look a little klutzy and hurried when she first hits the court, but after missing so much time it's understandable that it takes her a while to feel the rhythm. By the end of the game she's looking more and more like she's going to be going gangbusters when she is fully back in shape and has logged more minutes. And there was that beautiful moment in last night's game when KML had a brainfart and threw up a 3pt airball, and the UCF faithful started their airball chant, and Courtney shuts them up by nailing a 3. That's the way for a freshman to pick up her senior teammate, not that KML needed to be picked up a lot last night.
KML shot an airball?


Unbelievable!
 
KML shot an airball?


Unbelievable!
If looked at in a different way it was maybe a long distance pass attempt to Courtney under the basket, but she collected the ball and took it back outside. She buried a 3 17 seconds later, putting an end to the Airball chants about KML's shot. Who threw a long cross-court pass to Courtney and got an assist on her 3? KML of course.

The play starts a few seconds after the airball by KML on the ESPN video from UConn's team page at: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12207853 The link cannot be embedded. Titled: 2H CONN C. Ekmark made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by K. Mosqueda-Lewis
 
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And USC isn't the "undisputed #1" as long as voters give their #1 votes to other teams....for that to happen, USC would have to hold 100% of the #1 votes in both polls....
Maybe we have a semantics issue here. To me, 100% of the #1 votes, means unanimous. If one accessed each weeks poll results from both polls since Nov. 24 there would be absolutely no question as to what team occupied the #1 spot. To me, that's indisputable.
 
I'll stay up all night concocting every excuse in the book!!!
Maybe try "The dog ate my players." Usually works pretty well.

But in this game I think it's going to be the Husky dog saying after the game, "Tastes like chicken."
 
I know the poster is just trying to get a reaction with his usual tripe, but geesh when the backup PG plays 21 minutes (MoJeff got 18) and the team hits 100, there really isn't much too complain about. Just ask Geno, who's hard pressed at halftime and after games to work up a believable "we really need to get really really better at this" type of statement for public consumption. Sure Saniya has been a "mystery" at times this year, but the ending to this mystery is beginning to look pretty good, and Geno doesn't have her running the floor for 21 minutes because the team "falls apart" when they play. The lead just keeps growing.

Courtney can look a little klutzy and hurried when she first hits the court, but after missing so much time it's understandable that it takes her a while to feel the rhythm. By the end of the game she's looking more and more like she's going to be going gangbusters when she is fully back in shape and has logged more minutes. And there was that beautiful moment in last night's game when KML had a brainfart and threw up a 3pt airball, and the UCF faithful started their airball chant, and Courtney shuts them up by nailing a 3. That's the way for a freshman to pick up her senior teammate, not that KML needed to be picked up a lot last night.
I liked the part in "The Geno Auriemma Show" where they ask him about Saniya and he says she's a "mystery" to him. LOL!
 
The margins UConn wins by are flawed by Geno calling off the dogs and stopping the fast break and leaving the starters in . The scoring margin could be much higher. For those who think they have a chance are dreamin. UConn is much better then on paper.
 
The margins UConn wins by are flawed by Geno calling off the dogs and stopping the fast break and leaving the starters in . The scoring margin could be much higher. For those who think they have a chance are dreamin. UConn is much better then on paper.
Geno also goes to a zone defense when he's calling off the dogs.
 
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I can see some plausible scenarios where UConn might lose:

1. Morgan is not able to deal with SC's size at either end of the floor, so she is ineffective at both ends.
2. Any of Stewie / Morgan / Kiah get into foul trouble and have to sit for extended minutes.
3. UConn's outside shooting is ice cold.

It would probably take 2 of these 3 things happening (or 2 of 3 UConn bigs getting into foul trouble) to make the game into a probable Gamecock victory. I'm not even sure that #1 and #2 together would give SC a chance unless #3 is also true.
 
I can see some plausible scenarios where UConn might lose:

1. Morgan is not able to deal with SC's size at either end of the floor, so she is ineffective at both ends.
2. Any of Stewie / Morgan / Kiah get into foul trouble and have to sit for extended minutes.
3. UConn's outside shooting is ice cold.

It would probably take 2 of these 3 things happening (or 2 of 3 UConn bigs getting into foul trouble) to make the game into a probable Gamecock victory. I'm not even sure that #1 and #2 together would give SC a chance unless #3 is also true.

You did say "probably" BUT - it (2 of 3 things happening) also means you think it is possible that SC can win if Kiah Stokes gets into foul trouble and has to sit for extended minutes while Morgan is able to deal with SC along with UCONN's outside shooting is NOT cold? So to paraphrase UCONN does 1 and 3 while Kiah is the one in foul trouble, you give SC a decent chance in this scenario?
 
Bottom line is South Carolina can not score over 60 pts against UConn and South Carolina can not keep UConn from Scoring under 60 pts. UConns pressure on the ball and ability to make life miserable for Mitchell will be the UConn keys. UConn has way to many scorers who can put up big numbers to shut them down and UConn can inside and out.
 
I may be delusional, but I think it will be a good game.

I believe (hope) UConn prevails, but I think SC has the talent to make it an interesting affair, especially if Mitchell and Welch are hitting shots.
 
South Carolina has played in some close games against decent competition on the road. Say what you want about what that means, but if nothing else they are battle tested and have proven that they can pull out the close game in a hostile environment. I really doubt Storrs is going to be any more imposing than the Cameron Crazies or the bourbon drunk crowd at Rupp. It was a good decision to have the game at Storrs so at least the students can be there, rather than at one of the other CT sites where the crowds are generally full of older folks.
Because of SC's lack of ball handlers and UCOnns press which takes time to break not allowing opponents offenses to have the full 30 seconds will be a contributing factor to SC not being able to get their offense flowing smoothly. I expect a bunch of turnovers. Im not sure playing at UConn will intimidate SC. However UConns quickness on defense will. SC is battle tested because of their close games and those close games wouldn't have been against UConn. SC is a very good team with a lot of talent however UConn is far more superior as a team with chemistry. Gotta wonder how SC can keep up with UConns quickness. Its gonna come down to UCOnns defense and we've seen to many times how they snuff out the key scorers and disrupt opponents offenses. Hey UConn beats good teams like ND and Duke by a lot. SC doesn't. ND is a very good team and Duke is a very tall team and UConn had no problems with either of them. What is it that SC can do to stop UConn from scoring 70+ pts? I don't think they can and I know they cant score 70+ pts against UConn and they will need to do that to win.
 
After the Stanford game, we were reminded of UConn's poor record in close games....
 
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