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UConnJim said:
$44.6 million is not the ACC media contract value, it's about $30 million. And, the ACC media contract is thought to be closer to 30% basketball which gets you to the same $9 million.
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Link to 30 percent? Numerous sources including Swofford have indicated 20 percent.
 
As I said …$44.6 million was the payout. That is indeed total payout.
 
billybud said:
As I said …$44.6 million was the payout. That is indeed total payout.
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Total conference payment for an all sports conference has no relation to the Big East media contract, but there is a relation to a conference's media contract. 20% of $44.6 million conference payout to estimate $9 million is not relevant.
 
"For example, in this latest contract with ESPN, 80 percent of it is generated by football," Phillips told TigerNet.com. "As good as basketball has been in the ACC, it is very evident just through this contract that the football has to be very, very relevant."
 
sooo...$30.7 million X 20 percent is...about $6 million...or 1/7 of the payout...I really didn't get that round ball was so under valued..
 
billybud said:
Link to 30 percent? Numerous sources including Swofford have indicated 20 percent.
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The ACC is different from the SEC and Big 10 when it comes to college basketball as the Duke/UNC basketball matchups (2x per year) are the biggest draws in the college basketball regular season. The 2 meetings had a total of 5.5 million viewers. (Compared to the 5.07 million that watched the FSU/Florida football game.) And, throw in the ACC basketball tournament which has 14 games with 11 on ESPN. Remember, the SEC and Big 10 football ratings blow away the ACC but the ACC has better basketball ratings than the SEC. I have seen the 30% number tossed out for the ACC (20% for SEC and Big 10) in the past in analysis that looked at total ACC basketball vs ACC football ratings. Remember, the ACC has an incentive to say they are a top football conference to show they belong with the SEC and Big 10, but, in reality, they are the top watched college basketball conference and the 3rd or 4th most watched football conference. (Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 clouds the issue.) We are talking about just the media revenues not the conference revenues as the total conference revenues are probably 80% football/20% basketball due to the CFP, but that is skewed by how you allocate the ACCN revenues (3 months of football vs 5 months of basketball).
 
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I understand the UNC/Duke BB popularity...but the ACC media contracts have still been described as 80-20 football/basketball...by DeFillipo..Swofford..by the AD of Clemson. It could, maybe, have been a short hand way of describing total revenue.

I looked at Sportico's data base...for UConn and UNC...the media right money for UConn looked "hinkey"...

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billybud said:
I understand the UNC/Duke BB popularity...but the ACC media contracts have still been described as 80-20 football/basketball...by DeFillipo..Swofford..by the AD of Clemson. It could, maybe, have been a short hand way of describing total revenue.

I looked at Sportico's data base...for UConn and UNC...the media right money for UConn looked "hinkey"...

www.sportico.com

Sportico’s Intercollegiate Finance Database

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There's no way, maybe that is outdated
 
billybud said:
I understand the UNC/Duke BB popularity...but the ACC media contracts have still been described as 80-20 football/basketball...by DeFillipo..Swofford..by the AD of Clemson. It could, maybe, have been a short hand way of describing total revenue.

I looked at Sportico's data base...for UConn and UNC...the media right money for UConn looked "hinkey"...

www.sportico.com

Sportico’s Intercollegiate Finance Database

Sportico is maintaining an interactive, real-time database that tracks the official balance sheets of public FBS university athletic departments.
www.sportico.com www.sportico.com
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I imagine that the one P level conference that you could calculate an actual percentage split of media revenues between football and basketball is the ACC. ND receives a full share of basketball revenue. From this you could determine the basketball portion of media revenues for all members.
 
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WestHartHusk said:
And it isn’t. In addition to most of the men’s side being ratings drags, the conference is also trying to ride the women’s hoops momentum while investing $0 in it other than UConn.
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UConn is to DePaul as Michigan is to Northwestern
 
WestHartHusk said:
And it isn’t. In addition to most of the men’s side being ratings drags, the conference is also trying to ride the women’s hoops momentum while investing $0 in it other than UConn.
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On the other hand we have nowhere else to go. We have a history in the big east that are continued association reminds people of. The conference has good brand recognition. Short of the P4 it's the best we can do for the time being.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
UConn has "repaid" the Big East several times over already. We owe the conference nothing at this point.
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We owe it to the Conference to be good teammates. Do we want to be chumps like USF?
 
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I read somewhere last year that Notre Dame gets $10 million from the ACC plus a share of ACC network profits. I assumed that number was for mens and womens baskrtball basketball and 2 road football games. Plus a de minimus amount for other sports I guess. The data might be a bit off but sounds in the right neighborhood.
 
“In November, Notre Dame and NBC extended their media rights deal through 2029, making it the longest-running college sports media partnership with a singular outlet. The deal is expected to provide the Irish $50 million annually, as reported by The Athletic.

In order to stay competitive with the top football programs in the country, the Fighting Irish needed a paycheck within the range of the Big Ten’s most recent media deal, which grants member schools around $70 million annually.

So then how is $50 million a competitive agreement? The answer lies in addition. Notre Dame also receives $17 million (according to their recent tax filings) from the ACC coming out of their media deals as part of the ACC scheduling agreement. The initial $50 million, plus the additional $17 million, places Notre Dame at an astonishing $67 million they are set to make annually, only $3 million off the pace set by the Big Ten.”


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Plus, ND gets a $12M share of the CFP. $79M and counting.
 
If $44M is the std ACC distribution, 2/12 = $7M for ND football. That would leave $10M as the value for the full Hoops participation. $17M total ACC to ND.

That’s 23% share for hoops and 77% share for football.

This analysis is far from vetted, but the numbers make sense. The math is a bit hokey. $34M for football and $10M for hoops. Maybe $9M to $11M hoops.

Big East should be seeking $10M+ per team.
 
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Does anyone know the formula for NCAA distribution
That‘s importany as this year NC kicks in next year.,
 
ScottVib said:
In the AAC's case the long-term deal worked out in the conference's favor, insulating conference revenues for the left-behind teams (in a conference were more than half of the members were trying to find an exit from the start of the TV contract). The conference is now dramatically overpaid. (Case in point all 6 of their new editions are each collecting "half-shares" which were only able to be preserved by a greater than 20% increase in inventory given to the network)
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The final *6 teams are
also sharing $72,000,000 in Exit fees plus the new teams paid $17,000,000 to join the conference in entry fees. UConn was also still paying an exit fee last year .
I also believe the New teams are getting over $4,000,000 a year. I was under the impression the 6 new teams shared the 4 team total keeping the contract the same.
They’re old conference was $500k and now they’re making the same as the MW
So if your UAB, Charlotte , FAU, UAB , UNT or UTA you really struck gold..
The old teams are getting about $12,000,000 For the next three years or $10,000,000 for the next 5. Depending how they distribute the exit money .
.I don’t think Temples going to the A10 anytime soon
Navy FB + WSU BB = 1 team
 
When UConn left the deal went down by one pro-rata share (everyone was kept whole, but they didn’t get to keep UConns share) so the AAC had 11 full shares to go around. After the three teams left to the Big XII the AAC added 6 teams each of which split the three remaining “full shares” meaning Tulsa, ECU, Memphis etc got to keep their $7M annual payout while FAU, UAB, UTSA etc got 3.5M.

I’m not sure what happened with the tv deal with the SMU to Army swap (id assume Army was at least as valuable for the football inventory)
 
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