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OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

Here's my view. ESPN could find a home for most schools and ultimately pay less than they are paying the ACC now. My premise is that the P2 and Big 12 each go to 20 schools:

Wild card is Notre Dame which would change the adds.

SEC: FSU/Clemson/Miami/Georgia Tech
Big 12: Louisville/Pitt/NC State/Virginia Tech
Big 10: UNC/Virginia

Out: Syracuse/Boston College/Duke/Wake Forest/Stanford/SMU/Cal

With the new playoff format having 12 teams, ND no longer needs a conference. They have a seat at the table.

This is what I think could happen to the remaining ACC teams

BC
Syracuse
UConn
Duke
South Florida
Memphis
Wake Forest
Louisville
Temple
SMU
Tulane
Umass

Just a guess, but a conference like that could be worth $20 million a year.
 
THe accusation that the ACC lied about the nature of the ESPN negotiations in order to get them to sign the GoR could be interesting. Discovery will show who showed what and when, but if there is an omission, and FSU can show that it might have materially impacted their decision to sign the GoR, or the extension, then it could get interesting.

I'll just have my popcorn ready.

The ACC complaint does a good job of setting out why that accusation is baseless.
 
I get the sense that the B1G would want UNC and UVA over FSU and Clemson. I could be off though.
Clemson I agree with. The Big10 only has so many spots left (probably 2) and not sure Clemson has one of them. They just don’t have the draw of some of the other schools, especially when they are mediocre. I believe FSU absolutely has one of those if they want to. The other is ND and if ND doesn’t want to go then they will pursue UNC (who may be more inclined to the SEC).

With the exception of ND, FSU is the best addition that the Big10 can get. Gets them into the South and, more specifically, the huge state of Florida. From Florida States perspective, they can stand out as the only Big10 school in the south and, with the west coast additions, play in front of a national audience. In the SEC, they just be another southern school competing with all the other southern schools.

I feel that UNC would be the huge get for the SEC. Put them in a brand new region, help with their basketball perception and not give them a huge new team they have to contend with.

Clemson just might be left out of the mix. The Big12 would welcome them with open arms, but would the Big10 and SEC?
 
I could see UNC and UVA.

I think that the B1G wants UF.
Of course they want UF. If there’s a current SEC school that screams Big10, it’s Florida. The Gators aren’t leaving the SEC and the Big10 and everyone else knows it. What does UVA give the Big10 contract? Washington and Oregon couldn’t even get a full share, can can UVA add to the contract? I’m not convinced that UNC can add enough by themselves. FSU playing Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, USC and PSU can pay for itself, though.
 

This is interesting but there is quite a bit of information needed to determine where this leads.

1 - did the conference receive any consideration for extending the deadline?

2 - did Phillips extend the deadline beyond the bounds of his authority?

3 - if the extension was granted in August 2021, why were there no complaints about the extension until December 2023?

4 - was there any material cost to members of the conference by extending the deadline?

My guess is that this will be viewed as a Christmas bonus by a number of attorneys.
 
THe accusation that the ACC lied about the nature of the ESPN negotiations in order to get them to sign the GoR could be interesting. Discovery will show who showed what and when, but if there is an omission, and FSU can show that it might have materially impacted their decision to sign the GoR, or the extension, then it could get interesting.

I'll just have my popcorn ready.
It'll never get to court or even true discovery... I think everyone involved knows this and they're just publicly posturing. FSU acting like the crazy uncle capable of doing or saying just about anything and the ACC/Tobacco Road leaders/power brokers acting all austere.

They'll agree to a number and be done with each other.
 
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Of course they want UF. If there’s a current SEC school that screams Big10, it’s Florida. The Gators aren’t leaving the SEC and the Big10 and everyone else knows it. What does UVA give the Big10 contract? Washington and Oregon couldn’t even get a full share, can can UVA add to the contract? I’m not convinced that UNC can add enough by themselves. FSU playing Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, USC and PSU can pay for itself, though.
The precedent set by Oregon and Washington, magnified greatly by SMU will play a major role in what happens once some of these schools become expansion candidates. The B1G can easily say to the candidates that they have some interest in "Our last two additions came in at 50%. We don't think it makes sense to expand further unless we add the schools at 30%".
 
The precedent set by Oregon and Washington, magnified greatly by SMU will play a major role in what happens once some of these schools become expansion candidates. The B1G can easily say to the candidates that they have some interest in "Our last two additions came in at 50%. We don't think it makes sense to expand further unless we add the schools at 30%".
The PAC was falling apart and the Big10 threw them a lifeline. They were going to admit Wash and Ore in 2030 with the new contract, but the situation changed. The only other alternate was the Big12. UNC will have the SEC after them so they will have choices. UVA? What do they bring to the table?
 
Those schools have financial flexibility to hire and terminate coaches. You remember the ****show when we terminated our last mbb coach? That was some real small time stuff.

We're defending national champion

ACC schools DOOK and UNC have won National Championships recently in hoops

ACC school Clemson recently won National Championships in football

And FSU is supposedly not winning national championships because the ACC is weak and there's not enough money?

That dog don't hunt
 
I don't understanding all the conferencing drama that's been going on, but if FSU wins this suit, doesn't that mean the ACC is pretty much guaranteed to implode?

If a court rules that their exit fee is unenforceable, why wouldn't all the football-first schools immediately try to bolt?

FSU is just clearing the path.
 
This is from 2012:

"Not particularly, no," Florida State Board of Trustees Chairman Andy Haggard said of whether he would be in favor of the conference adding Connecticut and Rutgers. "But I would have to hear more about it. I'd have to see where Connecticut is, and Connecticut is playing good football right now, and where Rutgers is football wise, basketball wise, TV exposure, the elements of the country that they are in and all that.

"It certainly wouldn't be my pick but it wouldn't be my decision; it would be Swofford's and the ACC presidents. But I've heard a lot of backlash against Connecticut and Rutgers coming in because it would make us more of a basketball (conference) not a football (conference). That's what I get from fans, alumni, boosters and so forth."

As Haggard has noted before, schools with more traditionally strong football programs would be a better fit for the ACC as far as FSU is concerned.
In hindsight, adding Rutgers and UConn would’ve been the best decision for the conference. From a TV/network standpoint, they would’ve had the NYC market almost entirely to themselves, and while college sports will never dominate New England, it would’ve given the ACC is a strong foothold in the region.

Unfortunately for that dump of a conference, all their decisions have been incredibly shortsighted and based on who was highest ranked at the time.
 
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Yeah, a good run that seens to be over. Like the good run they had with Charlie Pell 40 years ago.
If you're going to ignore their spectacular success of the last DECADE, go for it.
 
It's not an "if". FSU is gone, it's just a cost and time equation that needs to be worked out.
Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.
 
FSU 100% will be gone by 2030 if that’s when that next B1G window is. The penalty to leave will cost half what it does now and the B1G will do cartwheels when they land them.
I wonder FSUs donors are like, look we will even cover your legal fees for the next year knowing there’s a 90-95% change it won’t work but maybe they’ll pull the lotto ticket and a miracle happens pre-2030.
The ACC as we know it is done by 2030. I still don’t trust an invite when it happens but who knows.
 
Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.
I thought the ACC TV rights deal pays members in the 35 Mil range. Where did you get this 161 Mil figure from? Have you read FSU's suit? Why are you so confident these complex contracts are enforcable?
 
Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.
The average settlement for exiting a conference has been about 60% of the contract.
 
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The average settlement for exiting a conference has been about 60% of the contract.
Not all GOR’s are equal, name one team from the ACC that exited and only paid 60%, and even if it was true, why are they sueing then?
 
Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.

It will cost somewhere between "$500M 'right now as is' and $0 in 2036".... it is not going to cost $500M. That's the dollar time equation that needs to play out still
 
It will cost somewhere between "$500M 'right now as is' and $0 in 2036".... it is not going to cost $500M. That's the dollar time equation that needs to play out still
Ok, Wrongigan.
 
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FSU was undefeated and they didn’t get into the playoffs. How can it get harder than that?
Being in the SEC, they'd have a harder time due to a much harder schedule to overcome. But as someone pointed out, it may not be about winning if they're looking to just get in on a bigger SEC or B10 bank
 
Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.

FSU will win the case in state court. Florida courts are a joke and their decisions are primarily based on which party to a suit is the most politically connected. Federal court will be a different story.
 
FSU will win the case in state court. Florida courts are a joke and their decisions are primarily based on which party to a suit is the most politically connected. Federal court will be a different story.
No one is going to court on this - they all need to protect their private dealings.
 
Being in the SEC, they'd have a harder time due to a much harder schedule to overcome. But as someone pointed out, it may not be about winning if they're looking to just get in on a bigger SEC or B10 bank
The SEC membership might give them a respectable recruiting bump. Very good chance they could be a regular in the 1-2 spot in whichever division they're put in.
 
Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.

LOL.

This will never get to court. And FSU has a case because they can prove that the ACC has not held up their end of the deal in accepting a below market value TV contract.

There is no way they will allow discovery of ACC and ESPN dealings.

FSU leaving is a lock. They are never ever ever getting back together.

The only thing that is uncertain is how much it will cost.

The $500M figure is BS that FSU put together to make things seem worse than they are. The true number is likely closer to $120M.
 
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