OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

[ZooCougar]

I don't understanding all the conferencing drama that's been going on, but if FSU wins this suit, doesn't that mean the ACC is pretty much guaranteed to implode?

If a court rules that their exit fee is unenforceable, why wouldn't all the football-first schools immediately try to bolt?

FSU is just clearing the path.

 

[UConn990411]

This is from 2012:

"Not particularly, no," Florida State Board of Trustees Chairman Andy Haggard said of whether he would be in favor of the conference adding Connecticut and Rutgers. "But I would have to hear more about it. I'd have to see where Connecticut is, and Connecticut is playing good football right now, and where Rutgers is football wise, basketball wise, TV exposure, the elements of the country that they are in and all that.

"It certainly wouldn't be my pick but it wouldn't be my decision; it would be Swofford's and the ACC presidents. But I've heard a lot of backlash against Connecticut and Rutgers coming in because it would make us more of a basketball (conference) not a football (conference). That's what I get from fans, alumni, boosters and so forth."

As Haggard has noted before, schools with more traditionally strong football programs would be a better fit for the ACC as far as FSU is concerned.

In hindsight, adding Rutgers and UConn would’ve been the best decision for the conference. From a TV/network standpoint, they would’ve had the NYC market almost entirely to themselves, and while college sports will never dominate New England, it would’ve given the ACC is a strong foothold in the region.

Unfortunately for that dump of a conference, all their decisions have been incredibly shortsighted and based on who was highest ranked at the time.

 

[uconnfan68]

Yeah, a good run that seens to be over. Like the good run they had with Charlie Pell 40 years ago.

If you're going to ignore their spectacular success of the last DECADE, go for it.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

It's not an "if". FSU is gone, it's just a cost and time equation that needs to be worked out.

Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.

 

[The Viking]

FSU 100% will be gone by 2030 if that’s when that next B1G window is. The penalty to leave will cost half what it does now and the B1G will do cartwheels when they land them.
I wonder FSUs donors are like, look we will even cover your legal fees for the next year knowing there’s a 90-95% change it won’t work but maybe they’ll pull the lotto ticket and a miracle happens pre-2030.
The ACC as we know it is done by 2030. I still don’t trust an invite when it happens but who knows.

 

[Rockford]

Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.

I thought the ACC TV rights deal pays members in the 35 Mil range. Where did you get this 161 Mil figure from? Have you read FSU's suit? Why are you so confident these complex contracts are enforcable?

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.

The average settlement for exiting a conference has been about 60% of the contract.

 

[Ha Who]

https://x.com/johnfsilver/status/1738602843848966174?s=46&t=R_qIxRP_YzLxWaagZBX0qg

 

[CONN78SEJ]

The average settlement for exiting a conference has been about 60% of the contract.

Not all GOR’s are equal, name one team from the ACC that exited and only paid 60%, and even if it was true, why are they sueing then?

 

[Yardigan]

Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.

It will cost somewhere between "$500M 'right now as is' and $0 in 2036".... it is not going to cost $500M. That's the dollar time equation that needs to play out still

 

[CONN78SEJ]

It will cost somewhere between "$500M 'right now as is' and $0 in 2036".... it is not going to cost $500M. That's the dollar time equation that needs to play out still

Ok, Wrongigan.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Not all GOR’s are equal, name one team from the ACC that exited and only paid 60%, and even if it was true, why are they sueing then?

Maryland, actually... ACC, Maryland reach settlement on exit fee: $31.4M, not $52.2M

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Maryland, actually... ACC, Maryland reach settlement on exit fee: $31.4M, not $52.2M

i believed Maryland opposed the big increase but it was accepted by a majority vote.

 

[UconnFanDC]

Winning has nothing to do with this

True.

 

[UconnFanDC]

FSU was undefeated and they didn’t get into the playoffs. How can it get harder than that?

Being in the SEC, they'd have a harder time due to a much harder schedule to overcome. But as someone pointed out, it may not be about winning if they're looking to just get in on a bigger SEC or B10 bank

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.

FSU will win the case in state court. Florida courts are a joke and their decisions are primarily based on which party to a suit is the most politically connected. Federal court will be a different story.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

FSU will win the case in state court. Florida courts are a joke and their decisions are primarily based on which party to a suit is the most politically connected. Federal court will be a different story.

No one is going to court on this - they all need to protect their private dealings.

 

[John]

Being in the SEC, they'd have a harder time due to a much harder schedule to overcome. But as someone pointed out, it may not be about winning if they're looking to just get in on a bigger SEC or B10 bank

The SEC membership might give them a respectable recruiting bump. Very good chance they could be a regular in the 1-2 spot in whichever division they're put in.

 

[Ha Who]

The SEC membership might give them a respectable recruiting bump. Very good chance they could be a regular in the 1-2 spot in whichever division they're put in.

Nope

 

[ZooCougar]

Gone in 2 or 3 years doesn’t mean “FSU is gone” now. FSU can’t win this case, not happening. No court in the USA will side with FSU, after the their athletic dept raked in $161,000,000 last year. Ultimately the GOR will cost FSU close to $500,000,000.

LOL.

This will never get to court. And FSU has a case because they can prove that the ACC has not held up their end of the deal in accepting a below market value TV contract.

There is no way they will allow discovery of ACC and ESPN dealings.

FSU leaving is a lock. They are never ever ever getting back together.

The only thing that is uncertain is how much it will cost.

The $500M figure is BS that FSU put together to make things seem worse than they are. The true number is likely closer to $120M.

 

[uconnyankee]

SEC - UNC / Virginia
B1G - FSU / Clemson
Big 12 - Miami and a few more value teams

If those are the only 4 to leave ACC for SEac and BIG, not completely sold that Big 12 becomes Hunter.

a league with Miami, VT, NC State, Duke, Pitt, and Louisville is very capable of adding WVU, UCF, Memphis, and UConn.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

Maryland, actually... ACC, Maryland reach settlement on exit fee: $31.4M, not $52.2M

As I said, if true, then why is FSU sueing over only $30 or so million?

 

[CONN78SEJ]

FSU will win the case in state court. Florida courts are a joke and their decisions are primarily based on which party to a suit is the most politically connected. Federal court will be a different story.

I don’t see how they can attack the GOR even in a state court with Maryland being a legal precedent. If they do then the ACC can counter sue in a federal court and definitely win.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

LOL.

This will never get to court. And FSU has a case because they can prove that the ACC has not held up their end of the deal in accepting a below market value TV contract.

There is no way they will allow discovery of ACC and ESPN dealings.

FSU leaving is a lock. They are never ever ever getting back together.

The only thing that is uncertain is how much it will cost.

The $500M figure is BS that FSU put together to make things seem worse than they are. The true number is likely closer to $120M.

Then why even bother to sue in the first place? Also, doesn’t sueing the ACC mean, indirectly that they are sueing the other members? I think they end up making a lot of enemies, and recruiting could go into the toilet.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

FSU will win the case in state court. Florida courts are a joke and their decisions are primarily based on which party to a suit is the most politically connected. Federal court will be a different story.

Does a state court ruling have the power over a big multi state entity? That’s like Texas trying to impeach the president, or California trying to take control of Hoover Dam. It’s silly. FSU should just pay the GOR and leave.