OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

[Hamms30]

At what point to the networks drop the hammer and tell the conferences that just because they're on a conquest of acquisition, that doesn't mean they're just going to keep throwing more and more money to them? At a certain point, Pepsi, Coke, Viagra, AB aren't going to care that the B1G wants Virginia or UNC and they're not going to pay whatever inflated prices the networks are charging for ad space.

 

[Yardigan]

Wow, so colleges also want to become free agents now.

The agents for these colleges must make crazy dough

 

[Yardigan]

I don't understanding all the conferencing drama that's been going on, but if FSU wins this suit, doesn't that mean the ACC is pretty much guaranteed to implode?

If a court rules that their exit fee is unenforceable, why wouldn't all the football-first schools immediately try to bolt?

It's not an "if". FSU is gone, it's just a cost and time equation that needs to be worked out.

 

[Waquoit]

Didn’t they play in multiple NC games in the last decade?

Ok, I googled it. In NC game 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2019. Won it in 2016 and 2018.

I would consider that previous success.

Yeah, a good run that seens to be over. Like the good run they had with Charlie Pell 40 years ago.

 

[John]

You mean we have their money?

Or UNC & Dook? In the very Conference they're complaining about? BTW: Clemson is in the ACC and won at football too

You would think be now one of those schools would have found the right AD or Coach, no?

Those schools have financial flexibility to hire and terminate coaches. You remember the ****show when we terminated our last mbb coach? That was some real small time stuff.

 

[bendm]

SEC: FSU & Clemson or Miami
BIG: UNC & Miami or UVA

 

[B1GEast]

SEC: FSU & Clemson or Miami
BIG: UNC & Miami or UVA

SEC - UNC / Virginia
B1G - FSU / Clemson
Big 12 - Miami and a few more value teams

 

[UConnJim]

When I took a business law course in grad school, the professor taught us that contracts work when both parties are satisfied over the life of a contract. If a contract becomes too one sided, there will be attempts to void the contract and litigation. And, people will put in penalty clauses in contracts that may be struck down in a court if they are deemed excessive.

I don't know if FSU will win their challenge to the GORs, but we will finally find out if they can after all of these years of internet speculation.

 

[jostar1]

Yup, I remember quotes at the time that FSU was tired of the Carolina schools calling all the shots and didn’t want another “northeastern basketball school.”

I understood that sentiment from their perspective. But adding Louisville because they were ranked at football at the time turned out to be extremely short-sighted and yet another horrible addition by the ACC.

This is from 2012:

"Not particularly, no," Florida State Board of Trustees Chairman Andy Haggard said of whether he would be in favor of the conference adding Connecticut and Rutgers. "But I would have to hear more about it. I'd have to see where Connecticut is, and Connecticut is playing good football right now, and where Rutgers is football wise, basketball wise, TV exposure, the elements of the country that they are in and all that.

"It certainly wouldn't be my pick but it wouldn't be my decision; it would be Swofford's and the ACC presidents. But I've heard a lot of backlash against Connecticut and Rutgers coming in because it would make us more of a basketball (conference) not a football (conference). That's what I get from fans, alumni, boosters and so forth."

As Haggard has noted before, schools with more traditionally strong football programs would be a better fit for the ACC as far as FSU is concerned.

 

[B1GEast]

When I took a business law course in grad school, the professor taught us that contracts work when both parties are satisfied over the life of a contract. If a contract becomes too one sided, there will be attempts to void the contract and litigation. And, people will put in penalty clauses in contracts that may be struck down in a court if they are deemed excessive.

I don't know if FSU will win their challenge to the GORs, but we will finally find out if they can after all of these years of internet speculation.

When I took business law I learned that when you sign a contract you're bound to it unless one of the parties does not follow through with what was agreed upon in the contract.

If FSU manages to escape the GOR it most likely will be from a majority of the teams agreeing to break up the conference

 

[UConnJim]

SEC - UNC / Virginia
B1G - FSU / Clemson
Big 12 - Miami and a few more value teams

Here's my view. ESPN could find a home for most schools and ultimately pay less than they are paying the ACC now. My premise is that the P2 and Big 12 each go to 20 schools:

Wild card is Notre Dame which would change the adds.

SEC: FSU/Clemson/Miami/Georgia Tech
Big 12: Louisville/Pitt/NC State/Virginia Tech
Big 10: UNC/Virginia

Out: Syracuse/Boston College/Duke/Wake Forest/Stanford/SMU/Cal

 

[ZooCougar]

I could see all 4, UNC, UVA, FSU, and Clemson.

I could see UNC and UVA.

I think that the B1G wants UF.

 

[UConnJim]

When I took business law I learned that when you sign a contract you're bound to it unless one of the parties does not follow through with what was agreed upon in the contract.

If FSU manages to escape the GOR it most likely will be from a majority of the teams agreeing to break up the conference

My business law professor wasn't speaking to the legality of a contract but to the practicality of a contract. In my business career, long term one sided contracts almost always leads to litigation and then compromise.

 

[jostar1]

 

[jostar1]

 

[B1GEast]

Here's my view. ESPN could find a home for most schools and ultimately pay less than they are paying the ACC now. My premise is that the P2 and Big 12 each go to 20 schools:

Wild card is Notre Dame which would change the adds.

SEC: FSU/Clemson/Miami/Georgia Tech
Big 12: Louisville/Pitt/NC State/Virginia Tech
Big 10: UNC/Virginia

Out: Syracuse/Boston College/Duke/Wake Forest/Stanford/SMU/Cal

With the new playoff format having 12 teams, ND no longer needs a conference. They have a seat at the table.

This is what I think could happen to the remaining ACC teams

BC
Syracuse
UConn
Duke
South Florida
Memphis
Wake Forest
Louisville
Temple
SMU
Tulane
Umass

Just a guess, but a conference like that could be worth $20 million a year.

 

[Excalibur]

THe accusation that the ACC lied about the nature of the ESPN negotiations in order to get them to sign the GoR could be interesting. Discovery will show who showed what and when, but if there is an omission, and FSU can show that it might have materially impacted their decision to sign the GoR, or the extension, then it could get interesting.

I'll just have my popcorn ready.

The ACC complaint does a good job of setting out why that accusation is baseless.

 

[dayooper]

I get the sense that the B1G would want UNC and UVA over FSU and Clemson. I could be off though.

Clemson I agree with. The Big10 only has so many spots left (probably 2) and not sure Clemson has one of them. They just don’t have the draw of some of the other schools, especially when they are mediocre. I believe FSU absolutely has one of those if they want to. The other is ND and if ND doesn’t want to go then they will pursue UNC (who may be more inclined to the SEC).

With the exception of ND, FSU is the best addition that the Big10 can get. Gets them into the South and, more specifically, the huge state of Florida. From Florida States perspective, they can stand out as the only Big10 school in the south and, with the west coast additions, play in front of a national audience. In the SEC, they just be another southern school competing with all the other southern schools.

I feel that UNC would be the huge get for the SEC. Put them in a brand new region, help with their basketball perception and not give them a huge new team they have to contend with.

Clemson just might be left out of the mix. The Big12 would welcome them with open arms, but would the Big10 and SEC?

 

[dayooper]

I could see UNC and UVA.

I think that the B1G wants UF.

Of course they want UF. If there’s a current SEC school that screams Big10, it’s Florida. The Gators aren’t leaving the SEC and the Big10 and everyone else knows it. What does UVA give the Big10 contract? Washington and Oregon couldn’t even get a full share, can can UVA add to the contract? I’m not convinced that UNC can add enough by themselves. FSU playing Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, USC and PSU can pay for itself, though.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

This is interesting but there is quite a bit of information needed to determine where this leads.

1 - did the conference receive any consideration for extending the deadline?

2 - did Phillips extend the deadline beyond the bounds of his authority?

3 - if the extension was granted in August 2021, why were there no complaints about the extension until December 2023?

4 - was there any material cost to members of the conference by extending the deadline?

My guess is that this will be viewed as a Christmas bonus by a number of attorneys.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

THe accusation that the ACC lied about the nature of the ESPN negotiations in order to get them to sign the GoR could be interesting. Discovery will show who showed what and when, but if there is an omission, and FSU can show that it might have materially impacted their decision to sign the GoR, or the extension, then it could get interesting.

I'll just have my popcorn ready.

It'll never get to court or even true discovery... I think everyone involved knows this and they're just publicly posturing. FSU acting like the crazy uncle capable of doing or saying just about anything and the ACC/Tobacco Road leaders/power brokers acting all austere.

They'll agree to a number and be done with each other.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Of course they want UF. If there’s a current SEC school that screams Big10, it’s Florida. The Gators aren’t leaving the SEC and the Big10 and everyone else knows it. What does UVA give the Big10 contract? Washington and Oregon couldn’t even get a full share, can can UVA add to the contract? I’m not convinced that UNC can add enough by themselves. FSU playing Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, USC and PSU can pay for itself, though.

The precedent set by Oregon and Washington, magnified greatly by SMU will play a major role in what happens once some of these schools become expansion candidates. The B1G can easily say to the candidates that they have some interest in "Our last two additions came in at 50%. We don't think it makes sense to expand further unless we add the schools at 30%".

 

[dayooper]

The precedent set by Oregon and Washington, magnified greatly by SMU will play a major role in what happens once some of these schools become expansion candidates. The B1G can easily say to the candidates that they have some interest in "Our last two additions came in at 50%. We don't think it makes sense to expand further unless we add the schools at 30%".

The PAC was falling apart and the Big10 threw them a lifeline. They were going to admit Wash and Ore in 2030 with the new contract, but the situation changed. The only other alternate was the Big12. UNC will have the SEC after them so they will have choices. UVA? What do they bring to the table?

 

[willie99]

Those schools have financial flexibility to hire and terminate coaches. You remember the ****show when we terminated our last mbb coach? That was some real small time stuff.

We're defending national champion

ACC schools DOOK and UNC have won National Championships recently in hoops

ACC school Clemson recently won National Championships in football

And FSU is supposedly not winning national championships because the ACC is weak and there's not enough money?

That dog don't hunt

 

[ZooCougar]

A good run every 30 years?

Yup. Overrated. SEC doesn’t need them or FSU they are too redundant.