OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

[huskymedic]

 

[FfldCntyFan]

 

[jostar1]

 

[Hondo 77]

Then the ACC had better be ready to negotiate with Miami and Clemson.

 

[John]

Then the ACC had better be ready to negotiate with Miami UNC and Clemson.

 

[billybud]

The ACC knows that if it loses more than FSU...it is over for the conference. Others will follow.

So they will fight all out in a survival mode. For, FSU, there is nothing to lose...they lose and they would just be stuck in the ACC...their present situation.

The ACC may at some point, cut their losses by negotiating to let FSU go rather than risk a court decision on the GOR.

This is fairly interesting for legal beagles...the protected party in the GOR (ESPN) is not a signatory to that agreement...and the controlling ACC-ESPN Agreement has no schools as a signatory and were kept behind lock and key by the conference/ESPN.

I shudder to think about the officiating next season. "You bad boy..swat !"

 

[Chin Diesel]

Well, at least he didn't inject personal opinion or hyperbole in to that "analysis".

 

[Rufus]

Well, at least he didn't inject personal opinion or hyperbole in to that "analysis".

Go back and read his posts about their being NO WAY a PAC-12 school would leave for the Big 12, and then you will know what to think about his posts. He makes pretty charts, but that's about all I trust him to do.

 

[dayooper]

Interesting opinion from a lawyer on the Virginia board. Says the ACC enforcement of their GOR might be difficult. Not sure what affiliation the person has so there might be some bias if the are either FSU or wanting to leave the ACC.

It's not quite that simple. Not even close. | TheSabre.com

It's clear that the author of that article hasn't read the entirety of either FSU's or the ACC's litigation. The author specifically claims that FSU's petition does not specifically mention the terms "fraud" or duress", while Paragraphs 60-76 (notably, Paragraph 62) specifically allege how the...

virginia.sportswar.com

 

[Stinger92860]

Interesting opinion from a lawyer on the Virginia board. Says the ACC enforcement of their GOR might be difficult. Not sure what affiliation the person has so there might be some bias if the are either FSU or wanting to leave the ACC.

It's not quite that simple. Not even close. | TheSabre.com

It's clear that the author of that article hasn't read the entirety of either FSU's or the ACC's litigation. The author specifically claims that FSU's petition does not specifically mention the terms "fraud" or duress", while Paragraphs 60-76 (notably, Paragraph 62) specifically allege how the...

virginia.sportswar.com

Bias by Virginia? Never…

If I was the B1G, I’d take UNC and Virginia and call it a day. I guess you can also go after Georgia Tech and a school in Florida. What else would they need besides NYC/Boston?

 

[Chin Diesel]

Go back and read his posts about their being NO WAY a PAC-12 school would leave for the Big 12, and then you will know what to think about his posts. He makes pretty charts, but that's about all I trust him to do.

He actually seems more anti-Big 12 than anything else.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Bias by Virginia? Never…

If I was the B1G, I’d take UNC and Virginia and call it a day. I guess you can also go after Georgia Tech and a school in Florida. What else would they need besides NYC/Boston?

It really would isolate any other conference from the mid-Atlantic and northeast and further isolate BC and cuse.

B1G would have North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

 

[Rufus]

B1G might steal the partial member of the ACC too.....

https://thespun.com/college-football/paul-finebaum-predicts-notre-dame-will-eventually-join-the-big-ten

 

[billybud]

FSU at the NFL Combine...

 

[Urcea]

I’m out of the loop. If FSU bails, are Stamford and Cal looking to back out?

 

[B1GEast]

I’m out of the loop. If FSU bails, are Stamford and Cal looking to back out?

They have no where to go except the MWC.

FSU isn't keeping Cal and Stanford in the ACC, ND is

 

[NE Football]

ND is under contract to join the ACC if they decide to join a conference. They have their own tv deal, a seat on the CFP committee and a home for all of their teams in the ACC. There is no incentive for them to give any of that up. If the major brands leave the ACC, ND could join then, probably keep their own TV deal and have an easy road to the CFP every year.

 

[B1GEast]

ND is under contract to join the ACC if they decide to join a conference. They have their own tv deal, a seat on the CFP committee and a home for all of their teams in the ACC. There is no incentive for them to give any of that up. If the major brands leave the ACC, ND could join then, probably keep their own TV deal and have an easy road to the CFP every year.

Notre Dame does not have a contact to join the ACC.

They can go wherever they want to.

Their TV contract is worth about 20 million a year

They get about 10 million a year from the ACC

In the next seven to ten years the B1G universities can expect a payout of anywhere between 80 to 100 million per school.

Tell me why Notre Dame's TV contact or independence matters?

That exclusive arrangement has lost its allure.

Besides, some of the schools that ND usually schedules such as USC are now in the B1G.

Trust me, once FSU leaves for wherever, ND is not going to miss out on a big payday or having a seat at the CFP table.

 

[billybud]

Plenty of references to Notre Dame's contractual obligations to join the ACC if they join any conference before 2036...

It all goes back to the ACC deal that Notre Dame has. The deal states that Notre Dame competes in the ACC for most of their sports, like basketball and baseball, while football gets to remain independent. The caveat is that they have to play five ACC teams annually in football. This deal goes through 2036, and during that time period, the only conference Notre Dame can join is the ACC.

Notre Dame football will stay Independent because of the ACC deal

Explaining why the deal Notre Dame football has with the ACC will keep them from being forced into a conference, for the next fifteen years.

slapthesign.com

First, I start with the suspicion that Jack Swarbrick might not mind the Fighting Irish entering the ACC as full members. He started them on this path as members for the Olympic sports, with five of the twelve football games scheduled by the ACC. He included in that deal (or agreed to include) that Notre Dame would have to join the ACC if it entered a conference before 2036, seemingly tilting the playing field in the direction of the ACC.

Is ACC Membership Better For Notre Dame Football Than B1G Mega-Conference? // UHND.com

Let’s start with the preface that when talking about Notre Dame football independence, one currently discusses the level of independence and not absolute

www.uhnd.com

Almost everything from that story can still apply to today, changing world and all. If Notre Dame were to join a conference in football before 2036 — a deal concurrent with the league’s grant of rights — it would be contractually obligated to join the ACC. But Notre Dame has long made the calculation that the financial gap between independence and conference membership is not significant enough to sacrifice the prestige, freedom and ownership that comes with being able to call its own shot. (Swarbrick told the South Bend Tribune last week that “we were as challenged financially as any school in the country” because of COVID-19, but it’s hard to see that lone year dictating the football program’s future identity.)

Notre Dame, the elephant in the realignment room, loves its independence. But never forget, things can change in a hurry

Despite a strong ACC run, the Irish don't believe gains from conference membership are enough to sacrifice prestige. Will that ever change?

theathletic.com

Should Notre Dame decide to join a conference full-time before 2036, it would be required to join the ACC, with which it has a contract that currently calls for the Irish to play five league games per season.

Irish AD, ACC commissioner go to bat for Notre Dame after Clemson's rout

Neither Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick nor ACC commissioner John Swofford believe that Notre Dame's result Saturday will affect its future hopes for the College Football Playoff.

abc7chicago.com

 

[B1GEast]

Plenty of references to Notre Dame's contractual obligations to join the ACC if they join any conference before 2036...

It all goes back to the ACC deal that Notre Dame has. The deal states that Notre Dame competes in the ACC for most of their sports, like basketball and baseball, while football gets to remain independent. The caveat is that they have to play five ACC teams annually in football. This deal goes through 2036, and during that time period, the only conference Notre Dame can join is the ACC.

Notre Dame football will stay Independent because of the ACC deal

Explaining why the deal Notre Dame football has with the ACC will keep them from being forced into a conference, for the next fifteen years.

slapthesign.com

First, I start with the suspicion that Jack Swarbrick might not mind the Fighting Irish entering the ACC as full members. He started them on this path as members for the Olympic sports, with five of the twelve football games scheduled by the ACC. He included in that deal (or agreed to include) that Notre Dame would have to join the ACC if it entered a conference before 2036, seemingly tilting the playing field in the direction of the ACC.

Is ACC Membership Better For Notre Dame Football Than B1G Mega-Conference? // UHND.com

Let’s start with the preface that when talking about Notre Dame football independence, one currently discusses the level of independence and not absolute

www.uhnd.com

Almost everything from that story can still apply to today, changing world and all. If Notre Dame were to join a conference in football before 2036 — a deal concurrent with the league’s grant of rights — it would be contractually obligated to join the ACC. But Notre Dame has long made the calculation that the financial gap between independence and conference membership is not significant enough to sacrifice the prestige, freedom and ownership that comes with being able to call its own shot. (Swarbrick told the South Bend Tribune last week that “we were as challenged financially as any school in the country” because of COVID-19, but it’s hard to see that lone year dictating the football program’s future identity.)

Notre Dame, the elephant in the realignment room, loves its independence. But never forget, things can change in a hurry

Despite a strong ACC run, the Irish don't believe gains from conference membership are enough to sacrifice prestige. Will that ever change?

theathletic.com

Should Notre Dame decide to join a conference full-time before 2036, it would be required to join the ACC, with which it has a contract that currently calls for the Irish to play five league games per season.

Irish AD, ACC commissioner go to bat for Notre Dame after Clemson's rout

Neither Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick nor ACC commissioner John Swofford believe that Notre Dame's result Saturday will affect its future hopes for the College Football Playoff.

abc7chicago.com

The language say should Notre Dame be required to join. In other words should there be a mandate for them to join a conference.

Not should Notre Dame want to join

All that means is if independence status went away Notre Dame must join the ACC

Notre Dame can go anywhere

Does anyone really think that earning $50 million less annually is not going to affect Notre Dame?

They will be in the B1G soon

 

[B1GEast]

The language say should Notre Dame be required to join. In other words should there be a mandate for them to join a conference.

Not should Notre Dame want to join

All that means is if independence status went away Notre Dame must join the ACC

Notre Dame can go anywhere

Does anyone really think that earning $50 million less annually is not going to affect Notre Dame?

They will be in the B1G soon

Looks like they are locked to the GOR

Explaining Notre Dame's realignment dilemma, ACC Grant of Rights fee

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247sports.com

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

If/when Notre Dame wants to leave the ACC they will have no problem doing so monetarily, legal-wise, or psychologically). Period.

 

[billybud]

Nothing would make FSU happier than Notre Dame declaring to break their contract with the ACC to join the B1G....

That would be helpful in FSU's wrangle to untangle.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

1 - There is no mandate. ND never would have agreed to that.

2 - ND realizes that eventually they will have no choice but to join a conference for football. They will continue to avoid the question as long as possible and will attempt to remain independent for football until their agreement with the ACC expires, making them a free agent that can go out to bid when the time comes.

3 - I find it very humorous that someone who has been preaching for quite some time that one of the ACC's full member schools should not be required to honor a contract that they freely signed is now chiming in on the contractual obligations ND signed into.

Bottom line, shy of some unimaginable shake-up, ND will not join a conference for football until after their current agreement with the ACC expires.

I personally believe it's bullspit that others have always been willing to accommodate ND while ND takes advantage of them but as long as conferences (initially the BE, now the ACC) are willing, ND will continue to take advantage.

 

[ScottVib]

Notre Dame will have the ability to cut whatever check they need to get out of the ACC should FSU open the door. Of all the schools in the conference, they are the least likely to have problems with that check, given they already are closing in on P2 revenue.

I don't think they'll be the first out the door, but if they choose to leave once someone else does they aren't going to feel "stuck" by their contract