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OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

FSU did win the NC in 2013...defeating the SEC Champ in the Final.

9 million watched FSU clobber 10 win LSU by 20 last year...FSU beat LSU back to back seasons, Florida back to back as well.

FSU-Florida drew 6.71 million and outdrew all games Thanksgiving weekend except Ohio State-Michigan...

Heck...FSU vs Wake Forest still drew 2.09 million.

FSU is a brand still.
 
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I agree it’s a brand, but is it a big enough brand to get $60 million or is it a $30 million brand? 2013 is a long time ago. And ratings for games against LSU are a little deceiving. It’s kind of like using the ratings for UConn-DePaul basketball to say DePaul drew 300,000 viewers. It’s true but only because they were the Other team. Substitute anybody else and the results would be similar.
 
FSU-LSU outdrew LSU-Alabama last season...

In fact FSU was the 7th most watched football team in 2023...

 
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FSU will join the B1G. They will be the crown jewel of the south for the B1G. Ohio State/FSU, Michigan/FSU, Penn State/FSU, Oregon/FSU, Washington/FSU, USC/FSU, Wisconsin/FSU. Nebraska/FSU. Those are going to be highly rated games.

I'm going to stick with what Fluguar is saying ---- Florida State and Miami to the B1G. North Carolina and Clemson to the SEC. If the SEC goes to 20, then NC State and Virginia go with them.
 
And...why the ACC/ESPN fears a Florida court....precedent...and who ordered the documents be delivered ? Judge Cooper now presiding over FSU V ACC in Tallahassee.

Florida court orders NCAA to hand over records

A Florida appeals court upheld Florida’s open meetings law today and ordered the National Collegiate Athletic Association to hand over documents related to secret disciplinary proceedings against Florida State University.
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Rufus said:
FSU will join the B1G. They will be the crown jewel of the south for the B1G. Ohio State/FSU, Michigan/FSU, Penn State/FSU, Oregon/FSU, Washington/FSU, USC/FSU, Wisconsin/FSU. Nebraska/FSU. Those are going to be highly rated games.

I'm going to stick with what Fluguar is saying ---- Florida State and Miami to the B1G. North Carolina and Clemson to the SEC. If the SEC goes to 20, then NC State and Virginia go with them.
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Not only is it good ratings, but FSU puts the Big10 schools brands front and center in Florida’s population. Recruiting general student population is huge for the Big10 schools. The marketing alone will be huge. Throw in all of the current Big10 alumni that live down there and now you’ve got games for them to donate to their university.

As far as Miami, I agree that is the probable school. It’s not my preference, but that’s who I think it will be.
 
Rufus said:
FSU will join the B1G. They will be the crown jewel of the south for the B1G. Ohio State/FSU, Michigan/FSU, Penn State/FSU, Oregon/FSU, Washington/FSU, USC/FSU, Wisconsin/FSU. Nebraska/FSU. Those are going to be highly rated games.

I'm going to stick with what Fluguar is saying ---- Florida State and Miami to the B1G. North Carolina and Clemson to the SEC. If the SEC goes to 20, then NC State and Virginia go with them.
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It would be strange seeing FSU go B1G and UNC go SEC. SEC moves are all about football. Ohio State to the SEC!
 
Rufus said:
FSU will join the B1G. They will be the crown jewel of the south for the B1G. Ohio State/FSU, Michigan/FSU, Penn State/FSU, Oregon/FSU, Washington/FSU, USC/FSU, Wisconsin/FSU. Nebraska/FSU. Those are going to be highly rated games.

I'm going to stick with what Fluguar is saying ---- Florida State and Miami to the B1G. North Carolina and Clemson to the SEC. If the SEC goes to 20, then NC State and Virginia go with them.
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I thought the Flug was saying ESPN was going to facilitate FSU to SEC by eliminating any GOR issues for a transfer to a product it owns?
 
CL82 said:
I thought the Flug was saying ESPN was going to facilitate FSU to SEC by eliminating any GOR issues for a transfer to a product it owns?
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That was C.W. Lambert@InsideTheBig12
 
jostar1 said:
That was C.W. Lambert@InsideTheBig12
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Ah, tough to keep the Internet conference real alignment positions straight.
 
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jostar1 said:
That was C.W. Lambert@InsideTheBig12
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Otherwise known as The Dude of West Virginia, the scourge of CR Twitter back in the day. He’s the original CR Twidiot. Funny story, the first place Flugar was featured on Lamberts Twitter where he was Big10 Man. They had a falling out and now don’t like each other.
 
billybud said:
Looks like Clemson and FSU are doing the formerly unthinkable...charging at the GOR electrified fence with a grim determination to break out of the corral. Do or die...Like I posited long ago...a situation where Butch and Sundance were backed up to the cliff edge with their only move to hold hands and jump into the river...(I like that analogy better than Thelma and Louise's going out similarly).
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I think the Krays are the best analogy. Acting entirely in greedy self-interest, FSU and Clemson will continue down the path they are on--ignoring contracts, laws, and basic business ethics--until they eventually shoot their own dicks off.

Look, we all understand why they want out. So just make a good faith settlement offer to the so-called "partners" you want to step over and then get lost.

The path they are on is going to cost a hell of a lot more in the long run.

Although is sure is funny seeing their fans get riled up over all the supposed breaches and loopholes they think will let them escape the ACC for free.
 
The SEC-ESPN Agreement has been found. If the ACC-ESPN Agreement has the same boilerplate...it is huge for Clemson and FSU and I could see why it would be kept on the hush-hush.

The language "for as long as as the Institution is a member of the SEC..." ...means that if an Institution leaves the conference, the conference does not control rights into the future.

The ACC governing documents...By laws, Constitution allow an Institution to leave the conference upon notice and payment of an Exit Fee. The ACC GOR states that the Institution grants the ACC rights for the sole purpose of fulfilling the duties of the ESPN Agreement.

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But...the national narrative seems to be changing. From the narrative that the GOR is an ironclad, unbreakable, no parole sentence to maybe the ACC will lose teams.

FSU charged recklessly like the Light Brigade against the cannons. The cannons of public opinion from the left of them, from the right of them, in front of them, volleyed and thundered. Oh, the wild charge they made. All the world wondered.

Whether there is a settlement or a protracted court battle and appeal remains to be seen...I am curious about what will be the tone in the court as it convenes in Florida tomorrow.
 
In a nutshell, if the ACC loses and the GOR is invalidated, ESPN may not renew the ESPN-ACC Agreement in 2027 and the ACC could go the way of the PAC 12. If the ACC settles with Clemsom/FSU, then the ACC may survive.
 
I guess, but wouldn’t this have come up when Maryland had to settle and part of the problem was that the ACC owned their rights? Maybe MD Was not smart enough to bring up this point, but you would think some lawyer for them would have made the point as part of the argument when leaving.

Then again, maybe they did and I just do not follow it that closely because I’ve got no dog in these fights. Also because each time someone makes a point in this thread it is really just seems like a grasp to have some confirmation bias for how they hope it will go.
 
Huskygrad88 said:
I guess, but wouldn’t this have come up when Maryland had to settle and part of the problem was that the ACC owned their rights? Maybe MD Was not smart enough to bring up this point, but you would think some lawyer for them would have made the point as part of the argument when leaving.

Then again, maybe they did and I just do not follow it that closely because I’ve got no dog in these fights. Also because each time someone makes a point in this thread it is really just seems like a grasp to have some confirmation bias for how they hope it will go.
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There was no GOR when Maryland left...just the $50 million Exit Fee,,,
 
I find it very ironic that institutions of higher learning look to wiesel there way out of contracts and long-term relationships all in the interest of economic gain. So much for intelectual integrity.....
 
HUH ? How about being hoodwinked by a conference staff protecting their jobs ? Maybe fraudulently ?

The last numerous years the ACC spread the story that the ACC GOR was not only ironclad but also had an end date of 2036.

The ACC also spread stories that the ESPN agreement had an end date of 2036 tied to the GOR. I do understand why folks bought the stories... for who thought that the ACC head office would mislead folks, especially their ACC member schools.

Now, the ACC has admitted in court that the contact is through 2027. And, as it turns out, The ACC-ESPN Agreement states ESPN had to declare that they were going to extend it to 2036 by the end of 2021. Without consulting his Members, Jim Phillips, ACC Commissioner, unilaterally gave ESPN an extension to until 2027 to declare to renew the ACC-ESPN Agreement.

Only when new leadership at FSU starting asking questions about the reality of such in the ESPN-ACC Agreement, and when answers to specific questions were not satifactory, did they request to get a copy of agreements with ESPN. That was not allowed but, under demand, a lawyer could only review the document in a 'secure' site, take no copies, not pictures, and not even notes (and ain't that strange ?).

The ESPN-ACC Agrrement is a 160 page legal document and a viewer basically had to memorize and recall what was in 160 pages with a limited time to do so. The ACC provided the court with only 13 of 160 pages declaring the rest was a secret.

Sooo...it looks more and more like an ACC admin office that mislead their members, the press and the public, and who put self preservation above corporate honesty.
 
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And...since the GOR is available and clearly states that a Member grants their rights to the conference solely to meet the requirements of the ESPN Agreement...it is becoming clear why the ACC has been obfuscating...

No Member has a contract with ESPN..the only link is the contract between the ACC and ESPN...and who knows what that stipulates ?

And, it may be coming clearer that the ACC does not own a members rights when they leave the conferenc

And...it may become clear that the ACC has bluffed about owning member's rights after they leave the conference,,,Clemson has made that part of their filing.
 
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billybud said:
HUH ? How about being hoodwinked by a conference staff protecting their jobs ? Maybe fraudulently ?
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You've made statements similar to this for quite some time. Personally, I believe that if those claims had any truth behind them, eight, ten, twelve current members of the conference would have brought suit against the conference for this.
 
As the UNC Chair of their BOT stated...

"I think this shows that what is supposed to be a member-based organization is not being led in a way that represents the best interests of all the members, but instead, it's really representing the bottom tier of the membership at the expense of the top tier, which is why Clemson and Florida State are doing what they're doing. I think that's just obvious."

Of course, many members are praying that the ACC can not be poached and they end up in a PAC 12 situation...think SMU took a haircut ?

FSU and Clemson can afford the costs of exit...others ?

I suspect there are those like UNC who are just waiting and letting the two rebels take the punches...
 
more from UNC BOT Chair...

"I think that what Clemson is doing is 100 percent proof positive that a significant portion of the membership of the conference is unhappy,” UNC Board of Trustees chair John Preyer told Inside Carolina on Wednesday. “I don't see how it is in anyone's interest for the ACC leadership to try and browbeat its member schools from getting access to information and being transparent. And that's kind of the case Clemson is making.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
You've made statements similar to this for quite some time. Personally, I believe that if those claims had any truth behind them, eight, ten, twelve current members of the conference would have brought suit against the conference for this.
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The only time they would sue is if they had somewhere to go. Not everyone has a soft landing spot. If the situation benefits you, are going to try and change to something else?
 
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