OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

[noeynox]

Are you saying that Calford took the same deal as SMU? What did I miss?

Now you got me liking billybud posts. Thanks a lot.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Since the deal expires in 2027, what is a partial or full share of nothing after that?

A couple things here:

1 - It isn;t 2027 yet. The ESPN deal could easily be extended to match the end of the GOR agreement.
2 - Even if the ESPN deal is not extended, we have not read the full language of the GOR agreement. It is quite possible that, as the rights were granted to the conference, for the purpose of the conference's ability to negotiate media deals, that a media deal with one of ESPN's competitors for the remaining term could well be within the language of the GOR.

 

[billybud]

And....who knew the ESPN deal could expire in 2027?

The conference kept mum....it wanted everyone to believe that all was tied up through 2036...

 

[billybud]

Since the deal expires in 2027, what is a partial or full share of nothing after that?

About what they had in the PAC 4.

 

[ZooCougar]

Not craziest idea. We could agree to take significantly less and that extra money could be used by FSU to pay off their ACC debt while making more money than they would have by remaining in the ACC.

I suggested UConn offer to take less to join the ACC before CalFord and SMU agreed to do just and was told that was a stupid idea.

This is a smart idea.

 

[Kolumbo]

This was posted by a Stanford writer, Kevin Borba. He very briefly discusses SDSU, Tulane, USF, UConn

Four ACC expansion candidates the conference could target if Florida State leaves

The ACC may be in the market for new programs if they end up losing Florida State

www.si.com

 

[noeynox]

This is a smart idea.

Most on the board wouldn't agree. Maybe the idea is UConn should be over compensated for years spent outside BCS/P5 structure.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

And....who knew the ESPN deal could expire in 2027?

The conference kept mum....it wanted everyone to believe that all was tied up through 2036...

Until I see evidence to the contrary I will believe that everyone the involved parties (ACC/ESPN) were required to inform had been informed.

 

[CL82]

This was posted by a Stanford writer, Kevin Borba. He very briefly discusses SDSU, Tulane, USF, UConn

Four ACC expansion candidates the conference could target if Florida State leaves

The ACC may be in the market for new programs if they end up losing Florida State

www.si.com

Well, that was a bucket of nothing.

 

[Kolumbo]

Well, that was a bucket of nothing.

a writer for the top all-around university, considering academics and athletics, in the ACC mentions 4 programs, one of them being UConn. If that is a bucket of nothing, so be it.

 

[CL82]

a writer for the top all-around university, considering academics and athletics, in the ACC mentions 4 programs, one of them being UConn. If that is a bucket of nothing, so be it.

Spectate you posting it.

 

[Ha Who]

Charlie Brown a writer for the top all-around university, considering academics and athletics, in the ACC mentions 4 programs, one of them being UConn. If that is a bucket of nothing, so be it.

 

[billybud]

Until I see evidence to the contrary I will believe that everyone the involved parties (ACC/ESPN) were required to inform had been informed.

LOL....And what would that evidence be ? Prove a negative ?

Sooo...every reference heretofore was to a 2036 date...and nobody anywhere said.. "hold on a minute ?"

AP NEWS:
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — The Atlantic Coast Conference finally is getting its own TV channel. Commissioner John Swofford said Thursday the ACC Network will launch in August 2019 as part of an extended media deal with ESPN that now runs through the 2035-36 season.Jul 21, 2016

The Daily Tarheel:
While the ACC is stuck in its media rights deal with ESPN until 2036, the Big Ten and SEC will have new TV contracts beginning in 2023 and 2024, where each school in the respective conferences will earn $67 and $51 million per year. According to the conference's 2019 tax returns, each ACC school is only making $23.3 million, which has left the ACC searching for potential solutions to close the wide gap.

Fox Sports:

ACC, ESPN extend deal to 2036 that includes new ACC Network​

ESPN:

This time, he had an answer. The long-awaited ACC Network will launch by August 2019, with the Atlantic Coast Conference and ESPN agreeing to a 20-year deal and rights extension through the 2035-36 academic year in an announcement made Thursday.

ACC, ESPN extend deal to 2036 that includes new ACC Network​

Charlotte Post & Courier:

ACC, ESPN extend deal to 2036 that includes new ACC Network

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford says the league has extended its media deal with ESPN through the 2035-36 season, which includes the eventual launch of an

www.postandcourier.com

 

[billybud]

And now we know why the ACC went berserk when FSU's lawyers discovered the big liie.

"It's classified...it's top secret...nobody can know..."

 

[FfldCntyFan]

And now we know why the ACC went berserk when FSU's lawyers discovered the big liie.

"It's classified...it's top secret...nobody can know..."

Yeah, that's FSU's spin. The ACC's spin is very different and I am extremely confident that the truth lies somewhere between the two.

My belief is that FSU has been looking for something, anything, that they could publicly bring forward as an example of them being wronged by this deal. They were more than happy to sign onto when it happened but once they realized it put them at a disadvantage in comparison to SEC schools, they began looking for any way out.

In our litigious society, almost anything can be brought forward as grounds for a lawsuit. That there is pending litigation here doesn't mean anything. I'd wager that there is every bit as equal a chance that FSU's claim is little more than an intentional misinterpretation of what they've known all along as the possibility of them being truly misled by the ACC.

If this actually does go to trial, we should find out if the ACC did it did not inform everyone they were required to inform (I'll bet heavily that they wouldn't have been so stupid as to not inform everyone necessary, and I seldom bet). I doubt that FSU's intention was to ever see this make it to a courtroom. They're hoping that they can create sufficient negative publicity that the ACC will let them leave. We will see what happens.

 

[ZooCougar]

Most on the board wouldn't agree. Maybe the idea is UConn should be over compensated for years spent outside BCS/P5 structure.

The same people here who loved Edsall and thought UConn football was a bigger brand than Utah.

 

[billybud]

lol. I’d bet there won’t be a trial.

 

[billybud]

And… since the ACC constitution requires a 3/4 of membership vote to enter a lawsuit, would it surprise you that the conference filed a suit without a vote. In violation of the constitution?

 

[noeynox]

Well, that was a bucket of nothing.

UConn is the only school with the caveat "that continuing to make less revenue" is in the best interest of the school. Like no one ever says that about anyone else.

 

[CL82]

UConn is the only school with the caveat "that continuing to make less revenue" is in the best interest of the school. Like no one ever says that about anyone else.

Kind of a dumb thing for the writer to say. I mean, I get it, not having revenue hasn't crippled our basketball programs but that doesn't mean we're better off getting paid tens of millions less than our competitors.

 

[NE Football]

Sooo...do the B1G and SEC add more mice to feed their pythons ?

They don’t need to add anybody. If they do expand they would need two schools that are at least going to grow revenues by 200 million per year to break even. That’s going to be very difficult to find. Oregon and Washington are getting partial shares, but in the next TV contact they get full shares. That could reduce the payouts per team if the next TV deal does not increase.

They also have to consider how much they are going to pay the players. Charlie Baker stated 30k, I think the players have another number in mind. 25-50% of the TV revenues split between 85 football players and 85 women in other sports? That’s the slippery slope that college football is heading down.

 

[NE Football]

If FSU adds more value than their share, then everyone’s payout increases.

That value would need to be around 100 million, plus they would need a 2nd team to join FSU.

With the expected payments to players, FSU will definitely lobby Michigan, tOSU, USC, Oregon, Washington & Penn St to go to unequal revenue sharing. The bottom 1/2 of the B1G should want nothing to do with FSU. If the B1G really wants a Florida team they can add Miami.

 

[NE Football]

Why do you think FSU would go after unequal revenue? The reason for unequal revenue is to bring teams closer to what the top paying conferences are making. They would be in one of the top paying conferences so no need to push for unequal revenue sharing.

As far as making the playoffs, why would it matter if FSU is in the Big10 or not to the lower half? Hint, it doesn’t. If FSU can bring more money and more visibility to their school, the presidents of schools like Indiana, Rutgers, Minnesota, Northwestern and Purdue will be thrilled. Throw in the fact that would be playing in front of a whole new state with tremendous recruits, the coaches will be all for it.

With payments to players likely to come in the next few years, FSU will lobby the top B1G teams to go with unequal revenue sharing. It’s a principle thing to them.

Sorry, adding FSU to the B1G is not going to make any recruiting difference to any team in the B1G. Every school already recruits Florida. Adding FSU is not going to incentivize Florida recruits to choose the B1G over the SEC. It might actually hurt FSU’s recruiting with so many games in cold weather cities a very long way from Tallahassee.

 

[billybud]

The difference between revenue sharing in the ACC and the Big Ten is vast....FSU would not be responsible for bringing as much of a share of media money...FSU had 70% more viewers the ACC average over the last ten years,

That would not be so in the B1G.

The problem with the ACC is that nobody watches Wake, Duke, VT, UNC, Virginia, Boston College, Cuse...etc...

Florida State and Clemson were the only ACC teams to play in multiple games that drew over 4 million TV viewers. In fact, only one of the 18 games involving ACC teams that drew 3+ million viewers last year was a conference game that didn’t feature Clemson or FSU. One 2022 study looked at how potential conference realignment moves would impact conference TV ratings and it wasn’t pretty for the ACC. If Miami, FSU, and Clemson left the ACC, the conference would rank dead last amongst the power conferences and it would fall below even The American.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

With payments to players likely to come in the next few years, FSU will lobby the top B1G teams to go with unequal revenue sharing. It’s a principle thing to them.

Sorry, adding FSU to the B1G is not going to make any recruiting difference to any team in the B1G. Every school already recruits Florida. Adding FSU is not going to incentivize Florida recruits to choose the B1G over the SEC. It might actually hurt FSU’s recruiting with so many games in cold weather cities a very long way from Tallahassee.

You seem very biased against FSU. Many valuations have put FSU in the top 5-10 brands in college football. I'm sure they have already been provided a valuation by a third party evaluator that informs FSU of said numbers. Many respected reporters believe they already have been talking with the B1G for several years and likely have been pre-approved for inclusion.

Yes, everyone recruits FL already, but when a conference has a school in Florida (or any state) it helps with landing recruits there. That's a pretty basic concept.