Fair pay to play act just signed in to law in CA.

[Exit 4]

Schools like Southern Miss, UCF, Boise State etc etc have more people willing to spend more money than a school like Rutgers or BC does.

And where does that put us? Squarely well outside. I dont see us have any $$ for this new world. Hard to see that 15 years from now about 1/3rd 130 D1 schools decide to walk it back to FCS.

 

[Guapo]

Agree. The top P5 programs that want to remain top programs will continue to be top programs as the boosters will pay and the schools that want to either get into or return to the top will have boosters trying to pay more. Look at a school like Tennessee. Don't you think the boosters would pay top dollars to football players to turn around their fortunes? Same with Nebraska.

The lower tier P5 programs would be vulnerable as the G5s with deep pocketed boosters could pay more and become more relevant.

End of the day, schools will have to decide if they want to participate in pay to play. I think some schools will opt out. It has happened in the past.

I just don’t think it’ll turn into pay to play as your describing.

It’ll be the same amount of money that flowing into the programs now, it’ll just be that, instead of building lazy rivers and waterfalls in locker rooms, that money will go to paying a player to appear in a car commercial.

Let’s also not forgot that this is happening in the context of the real world. These boosters are not all T Boone Pickens. They have businesses to run and thus they have business partners and they have families and, in some cases, shareholders to answer to.

It’s not like they can just increase the amount they’re spending on these programs exponentially just because it’ll be legal.

 

[Exit 4]

I just don’t think it’ll turn into pay to play as your describing.

It’ll be the same amount of money that flowing into the programs now, it’ll just be that, instead of building lazy rivers and waterfalls in locker rooms, that money will go to paying a player to appear in a car commercial.

Let’s also not forgot that this is happening in the context of the real world. These boosters are not all T Boone Pickens. They have businesses to run and thus they have business partners and they have families and, in some cases, shareholders to answer to.

It’s not like they can just increase the amount they’re spending on these programs exponentially just because it’ll be legal.

I think that is really naive. A lot of privately held family companies out there with a lot of leeway. If a booster really wants it, with the right coach they could built a 7 win team within the G5. And if you are a fan of a program without significant boosters (UConn? perhaps all of the MAC schools?) you really lose your incentive to care knowing full well App St or Houston bought their team with cash (whether its large or small....they spent more).

Kind of like MLB, except in the MLB the dudes on Tampa Bay can't leave for the Yankees after one good year, instead they have to fulfill their 5year min service time to unlock free agency vs immediate free agency in FBS.

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for it. Let it rip. Open pandora's box.

 

[Irishfan]

You know there are only so many roster spots, right?

Nonetheless, if you have to resort to extreme hypotheticals to say this is bad, you’ve lost the argument.

I think this law is going to manifest itself much more along the lines of a Bama player doing a local commercial for a Tuscaloosa used car dealership or being paid to show up at some booster’s kid’s birthday party to sign autographs.

In what way was this extreme. Why would you suspect this will limit itself to players doing commercials. Much more likely that it is a transparent effort to make giving hundred of thousands of dollars to top recruits a common practice for big money boosters. Imagine the bidding war for five star recruits between Michigan and Ohio State. Or LSU and Alabama. Take a photo of a five star athlete in a Bama Jersey, and as soon as he enrolls you give him $100,000 for the picture. Simply paying him for his likeness. Why show up for a kids birthday when Phil Knight is willing to pay millions to support the school.

 

[Guapo]

I think that is really naive. A lot of privately held family companies out there with a lot of leeway. If a booster really wants it, with the right coach they could built a 7 win team within the G5. And if you are a fan of a program without significant boosters (UConn? perhaps all of the MAC schools?) you really lose your incentive to care knowing full well App St or Houston bought their team with cash (whether its large or small....they spent more).

Kind of like MLB, except in the MLB the dudes on Tampa Bay can't leave for the Yankees after one good year, instead they have to fulfill their 5year min service time to unlock free agency vs immediate free agency in FBS.

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for it. Let it rip. Open pandora's box.

I think you’re the naive one if you think this stuff isn’t already happening

 

[UConnJim]

I think that is really naive. A lot of privately held family companies out there with a lot of leeway. If a booster really wants it, with the right coach they could built a 7 win team within the G5. And if you are a fan of a program without significant boosters (UConn? perhaps all of the MAC schools?) you really lose your incentive to care knowing full well App St or Houston bought their team with cash (whether its large or small....they spent more).

Kind of like MLB, except in the MLB the dudes on Tampa Bay can't leave for the Yankees after one good year, instead they have to fulfill their 5year min service time to unlock free agency vs immediate free agency in FBS.

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for it. Let it rip. Open pandora's box.

There are many wealthy people out there who can spend without any worries.

As for UConn, there are wealthy people out there with ties to UConn who are untapped. Why haven't they been tapped? UConn is still figuring out how to do it. Other schools I am associated with know how to raise money and eventually, I hope, UConn figures it out.

 

[Exit 4]

I think you’re the naive one if you think this stuff isn’t already happening

What is happening today is nothing compared to what is about to happen.

The bagman of yesterday was able to keep prices down in an opaque market. The public auctions we are about to have will boost prices significantly.

 

[Exit 4]

As for UConn, there are wealthy people out there with ties to UConn who are untapped. Why haven't they been tapped? UConn is still figuring out how to do it. Other schools I am associated with know how to raise money and eventually, I hope, UConn figures it out.

Here come the arrows... I don't think UConn has the power alumni base you really need to play this game. Plus, our alumni are exhausted trying to support powerhouse programs in MBB, WBB and the upstart hockey program. We are stretched.

Some donors will be asked to shore up player $ for all four sports.

 

[Guapo]

In what way was this extreme. Why would you suspect this will limit itself to players doing commercials. Much more likely that it is a transparent effort to make giving hundred of thousands of dollars to top recruits a common practice for big money boosters. Imagine the bidding war for five star recruits between Michigan and Ohio State. Or LSU and Alabama. Take a photo of a five star athlete in a Bama Jersey, and as soon as he enrolls you give him $100,000 for the picture. Simply paying him for his likeness. Why show up for a kids birthday when Phil Knight is willing to pay millions to support the school.

Lol a) I love that you never include Notre Dame in these examples and b) I’m pretty deeply involved in southern football culture and, while this stuff absolutely goes on, it’s not nearly as extravagant (for lack of a better term) as many of you seem to imagine it to be.

It’s a lot of the stereotypical car dealership owner, small businessmen, lawyer-types etc.

They don’t exactly have hundreds of thousands of dollars laying around to throw at every single recruit every single year for a signed photo. Maybe for a Cam Newtown or other generational talent...

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Any student at any University can sign any endorsement deal or sell their likeness, etc. Whether they're a video game streamer or a magician or a comedian.

But not athletes. All that money has to go directly to the NCAA.

The cartel will be broken up.

 

[Guapo]

Any student at any University can sign any endorsement deal or sell their likeness, etc. Whether they're a video game streamer or a magician or a comedian.

But not athletes. All that money has to go directly to the NCAA.

The cartel will be broken up.

I would’ve happily endorsed any product as a history major at UConn

 

[CL82]

All that money has to go directly to the NCAA.

For the sale of player likenesses?

 

[UConnJim]

Here come the arrows... I don't think UConn has the power alumni base you really need to play this game. Plus, our alumni are exhausted trying to support powerhouse programs in MBB, WBB and the upstart hockey program. We are stretched.

Some donors will be asked to shore up player $ for all four sports.

UConn has the potential donors. They just don't know how to identify donors, build relationships, and get people to donate money. Why? Raising money was never the priority at UConn and they really just started becoming professional money raisers in the past 5 years, but they have a lot to learn.

 

[huskymedic]

UConn has the potential donors. They just don't know how to identify donors, build relationships, and get people to donate money. Why? Raising money was never the priority at UConn and they really just started becoming professional money raisers in the past 5 years, but they have a lot to learn.

Cultivating (just hope the donations cover the expenses over due time )

 

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@UConnJim

While not a direct corollary to giving ability going forward, nor is it necessarily indicative of just how a school might fudge their programs to create sponsorships for student athletes; its still worth noting that the UConn endowment fund was only $447MM in 2008. Below a someone's schedule of the P5 schools which are much higher.

Looks like we'll be finding out in a few short years if we really do have some donors...at the depth its going to take to compete with other schools.

 

[Carnac]

So could a UCLA booster pay a top athlete $100,000 for a picture of him in a UCLA Jersey. As long as he agrees to play football there? Could be the start to a big recruiting war between USC, UCLA and Stanford boosters.

.....and other major programs across the country. Why not go to USC/UCLA if I can get paid there?

 

[huskymedic]

Fair read

 

[whaler11]

I posted this in the basketball board thread to:

I really think that most of the pearl clutching and belly aching about this is much ado about nothing.

If these rules come to pass (and that’s still a big if at this point) I think you’ll find your experience as a college sports fan will be mostly unchanged.

Meanwhile the quality of life for some athletes will be improved.

It’s a win-win.

upstater is kinda right.

the schools hate it because they want the money to build lazy rivers. if you can pay direct the boosters have the power not the schools.

 

[whaler11]

do people not know why ucla basketball was a dynasty? THEY PAID EVERYONE

 

[Guapo]

do people not know why ucla basketball was a dynasty? THEY PAID EVERYONE

Hey man you stole my joke!

 

[Irishfan]

Lol a) I love that you never include Notre Dame in these examples and b) I’m pretty deeply involved in southern football culture and, while this stuff absolutely goes on, it’s not nearly as extravagant (for lack of a better term) as many of you seem to imagine it to be.

It’s a lot of the stereotypical car dealership owner, small businessmen, lawyer-types etc.

They don’t exactly have hundreds of thousands of dollars laying around to throw at every single recruit every single year for a signed photo. Maybe for a Cam Newtown or other generational talent...

I’m also deeply involved in southern football. I have family members that graduated from Georgia and Tennessee. And good friends from high school that went to and played at Alabama and Auburn. And I believe that the Atlanta Auburn Club would be able to raise a significant amount to send one or two top recruits to Auburn. And the clubs in Nashville and Birmingham would probably easily match the Atlanta club. All this would become the common practice once it was determined to be legal in the eyes of the NCAA.

I left ND out of the conversation because I think it’s pretty obvious that ND could raise the money to pay the top athletes out of the athletic budget, and certainly there are enough wealthy donors who would be willing to contribute to the cause. And if they didn’t, there is a $13 Billion endowment which might find its way to help the cause. I think this rule change would absolutely change all college sports into professional sports.

 

[Guapo]

I’m also deeply involved in southern football. I have family members that graduated from Georgia and Tennessee. And good friends from high school that went to and played at Alabama and Auburn. And I believe that the Atlanta Auburn Club would be able to raise a significant amount to send one or two top recruits to Auburn. And the clubs in Nashville and Birmingham would probably easily match the Atlanta club. All this would become the common practice once it was determined to be legal in the eyes of the NCAA.

I left ND out of the conversation because I think it’s pretty obvious that ND could raise the money to pay the top athletes out of the athletic budget, and certainly there are enough wealthy donors who would be willing to contribute to the cause. And if they didn’t, there is a $13 Billion endowment which might find its way to help the cause. I think this rule change would absolutely change all college sports into professional sports.

I just don't think it would.

Of course, it’s impossible to know how it would play out till it happens; and, I remain somewhat dubious on the chances that actually happens, especially once it works it’s way through the courts.

But, let’s say it does to pass; I think the state would probably allow a decent amount of oversight (I.e I don’t think it’ll be the Wild West like some here are describing)

 

[metsfan2323]

Just keep choking that golden goose until he is dead.

 

[Irishfan]

I just don't think it would.

Of course, it’s impossible to know how it would play out till it happens; and, I remain somewhat dubious on the chances that actually happens, especially once it works it’s way through the courts.

But, let’s say it does to pass; I think the state would probably allow a decent amount of oversight (I.e I don’t think it’ll be the Wild West like some here are describing)

Which state do you think would give that oversight? Alabama? Mississippi? Texas?
Do you really think Texas would have a problem with Texas or Texas A&M winning national championships? And if Texas did it, do you really think Oklahoma would be far behind? And as for private schools? ND, Stanford, Duke, USC May like the idea of excelling at football.

Why pay $8 million for a coach when you can pay 40 top players $200,000 each.

 

[FatHank]

What cut does the school get from these kid's earnings? They wear thier colors, school logo, and are publicised to a certain degree by thier attended school. Thier likeness value, is due in part to a small dregree, due to the school they go to. Where's the schools skim off the top?

 

[Guapo]

Which state do you think would give that oversight? Alabama? Mississippi? Texas?
Do you really think Texas would have a problem with Texas or Texas A&M winning national championships? And if Texas did it, do you really think Oklahoma would be far behind? And as for private schools? ND, Stanford, Duke, USC May like the idea of excelling at football.

Why pay $8 million for a coach when you can pay 40 top players $200,000 each.

Despite the apocalyptic claims to the contrary, I don’t think this will lead to the NCAA dissolving; so there would still be oversight from (which I believe these states would allow).

To your second point, nothing about this bill involves the school paying players so I’m not even sure why you bring it up...?

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Just blow the system up. Football players and basketball players are already being paid . . . they are getting a free college education - no student loan debts to strangle them when they leave. Of course, many could care less about education - free or otherwise. The business of paying student athletes will simply create a minor league system that uses schools (many funded on taxpayers $) and their facilities to further their football/basketball dreams. It's crap and the whole system should be disassembled.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

I think there needs to be options. For instance, if you agree to be compensated then you should also have to pay tuition/room and board. Only the ELITE athletes would accept that trade off.

And charged for use of facilities and coaching services . . . and charged an exorbitently licensing fee for use of the school name, including colors, fight songs, etc.

 

[Guapo]

Just blow the system up. Football players and basketball players are already being paid . . . they are getting a free college education - no student loan debts to strangle them when they leave. Of course, many could care less about education - free or otherwise. The business of paying student athletes will simply create a minor league system that uses schools (many funded on taxpayers $) and their facilities to further their football/basketball dreams. It's crap and the whole system should be disassembled.

You know this bill doesn’t allow for schools to pay the athletes, right?

 

[TouchdownHusky]

You know this bill doesn’t allow for schools to pay the athletes, right?

So let the boosters, car dealerships, lawyers, etc, start a minor league and leave the college game alone.