Fair pay to play act just signed in to law in CA.

[noeynox]

Signing autographs? Just give them the money. Yes, the athletes bring in the money, and the expenses. There are very few profitable athletic departments. Should athletic departments who lose money, charge the athletes for contributing to the losses? Notre Dame sells out the stadium, and gets money from the NBC television contract, and the ACC. If some athlete decides to transfer, do you think it will decrease the revenue that ND football will generate? I don’t think it is the athletes that bring in the money, I think it’s the program. I buy tickets to the games, regardless of which players are playing. I bought tickets during the Holtz years, and I bought tickets during the Weis disaster. I’m not buying a ticket to see an individual player.

Okay that's you. But if ND was putting out UConn level stinkers of seasons out there, you may find yourself in the stadium with friends and families. The argument that a full ride is payment enough is flimsy, when a kid that throws the discus could be on the same full ride as Tua Tagovaiola. That's why in essence it has to be taken out of the hands of the NCAA because their argument the scholarship is enough.

I really don't care personally if the kids get paid or not but there is a reason Nick Saban isn't paid the same as the field hockey coach. Why should the athletes in those respective sports be viewed the same?

 

[Irishfan]

Okay that's you. But if ND was putting out UConn level stinkers of seasons out there, you may find yourself in the stadium with friends and families. The argument that a full ride is payment enough is flimsy, when a kid that throws the discus could be on the same full ride as Tua Tagovaiola. That's why in essence it has to be taken out of the hands of the NCAA because their argument the scholarship is enough.

I really don't care personally if the kids get paid or not but there is a reason Nick Saban isn't paid the same as the field hockey coach. Why should the athletes in those respective sports be viewed the same?

Yes, instead of paying Nick Saban $8 million a year, pay the 40 top football players $200,000 a year to play. Even one of the worst coaching staffs could win with the 40 best players. And it’s not just the value of the scholarship. Players like Tua go to schools like Alabama to have access to the top coaches and equipment which helps them get spots in the NFL. And probably 90% of the players at even the top schools don’t make it in the NFL, so claiming that the tuition and room and board isn’t of value is ridiculous.

 

[noeynox]

Yes, instead of paying Nick Saban $8 million a year, pay the 40 top football players $200,000 a year to play. Even one of the worst coaching staffs could win with the 40 best players. And it’s not just the value of the scholarship. Players like Tua go to schools like Alabama to have access to the top coaches and equipment which helps them get spots in the NFL. And probably 90% of the players at even the top schools don’t make it in the NFL, so claiming that the tuition and room and board isn’t of value is ridiculous.

Not of value? Who said that? Arguing that a top FB player or a Zion Williamson brings no more value than a golf player on scholarship is what is truly ridiculous.

 

[Irishfan]

Not of value? Who said that? Arguing that a top FB player or a Zion Williamson brings no more value than a golf player on scholarship is what is truly ridiculous.

I think it makes no sense to say that a basketball player or a football player has to go to college to play in the NBA or the NFL. If they are good enough, like a Zion Williamson they should have the right to play wherever they can. If they think that they need the coaching and physical training to make that step up, they should go to college, or join a gym. But once you make the decision that the college coaching and training is necessary to make it to the next level, you have to play by the rules in place. Very few athletic programs make money. My guess is that Alabama had its SEC money and ticket sales well established long before Tua decided to go there. And they will be selling out their stadium long after he leaves.

 

[noeynox]

I think it makes no sense to say that a basketball player or a football player has to go to college to play in the NBA or the NFL. If they are good enough, like a Zion Williamson they should have the right to play wherever they can. If they think that they need the coaching and physical training to make that step up, they should go to college, or join a gym. But once you make the decision that the college coaching and training is necessary to make it to the next level, you have to play by the rules in place. Very few athletic programs make money. My guess is that Alabama had its SEC money and ticket sales well established long before Tua decided to go there. And they will be selling out their stadium long after he leaves.

Agreed but nothing is forever. The rules are about to change. The NCAA has taken some weird stances. There was a UCF punter a few years ago who refused to demonitize his YouTube channel and couldn't play. It's those type of things that have led to this crossroad.

 

[huskymedic]

Nothing earth-shattering but some interesting scenarios:

 

[Exit 4]

Nothing earth-shattering but some interesting scenarios:

Per the last thought in the yahoo story, can’t wait for that kid to threaten in season not to play until his Venmo/ go fund me account reaches X level. It’s going to happen.

The pro sports could benefit from this chaos. Kids walking mid season over money and annual portal free agency mania will make pro sports the “stable” alternative.

 

[freescooter]

This is one of those things that sound good but will have unintended consequences. Sure the starting quarterback at Alabama stands to make a bundle but the left tackle is getting nothing more than he currently gets. The star of the women’s cross country team gets zip.

I also worry that firms like Nike and adidas will happily make legal payments to individual players but will cut back on deals with athletic departments.

Lastly it will utterly destroy competitive balance in recruiting. It is just the NBA/NFL free agent market on a different scale.

I’m not naive enough to think some of this doesn’t happen but because it is illegal it is relatively limited. FWIW for UConn I suspect we will be competing in D3 within a decade as a result of this. That’s the bad news. The good news is so will lots of our long time opponents. It will be the only way to maintain a broad athletic program.

 

[freescooter]

You know this bill doesn’t allow for schools to pay the athletes, right?

Doesn’t matter. How much would, say Ray Allen in his UConn days, have been worth to the Ford dealer in Glastonbury? But a big part of that value to that company came from his UConn ties. Can he wear his uniform?

 

[freescooter]

There is an old saying that every problem has a solution that is simple, straightforward and completely wrong. That applies in this case. If the problem is Conference commissioner and coaches are getting paid too much, the solution isn’t to create a different problem by paying players. It is university officials acting responsibly and taking control. And setting rational salaries. Randy Edsall is getting paid $1 million/ year and that is considered a bargain basement salary. That is insane If the problem is shoe companies or boosters or coaches are illegally paying players, the solution isn’t paying players, it is cracking down HARD on the cheaters.

 

[freescooter]

There is an old saying that every problem has a solution that is simple, straightforward and completely wrong. That applies in this case. If the problem is Conference commissioner and coaches are getting paid too much, the solution isn’t to create a different problem by paying players. It is university officials acting responsibly and taking control. And setting rational salaries. Randy Edsall is getting paid $1 million/ year and that is considered a bargain basement salary. If the problem is shoe companies or boosters or coaches are illegally paying players, the solution isn’t paying players, it is cracking down HARD on the cheaters.

 

[Steelerone]

How are you going to feel if you are the offensive guard , tackle, or any member of the defense who watchs his quarterback, wide reiever, or running back as they start to get this money because I'm not sure what percentage of the photos on shirts or anything else will be on any other position.

 

[Exit 4]

How are you going to feel if you are the offensive guard , tackle, or any member of the defense who watchs his quarterback, wide reiever, or running back as they start to get this money because I'm not sure what percentage of the photos on shirts or anything else will be on any other position.

You'll have to suck it up and be happy you are on tv and still getting a free education. What else are you going to do, quit?

 

[Nostical]

The squirrelly issue will be determining fair value for someone’s name and likeness. If it’s a market driven system what’s to prevent a booster from telling a high school QB recruit “come to My Favorite University and I’ll put your face on billboards around town and I’ll pay you $100,000 for displaying your likeness.” Who determines what fair value is—and is it relevant when determining whether this new policy is a positive for the sport or the slippery slope many predicted.

 

[gopher2]

You'll have to suck it up and be happy you are on tv and still getting a free education. What else are you going to do, quit?

Transfer portal. Go play for a team like us with no primadonna superstars and let my old QB teammate take a few for the team.

 

[noeynox]

There is an old saying that every problem has a solution that is simple, straightforward and completely wrong. That applies in this case. If the problem is Conference commissioner and coaches are getting paid too much, the solution isn’t to create a different problem by paying players. It is university officials acting responsibly and taking control. And setting rational salaries. Randy Edsall is getting paid $1 million/ year and that is considered a bargain basement salary. That is insane If the problem is shoe companies or boosters or coaches are illegally paying players, the solution isn’t paying players, it is cracking down HARD on the cheaters.

The coaches get paid insane money, because the money is there. If the money is not there and you want to compete with the places that have the money you create a subsidy. The real answers is for the schools that don't have the money is to tell the schools with the money. You know all 20 or 30 of them to go form their own division. The rest could then play on a level playing field. I wonder why they don't do that?

 

[noeynox]

How are you going to feel if you are the offensive guard , tackle, or any member of the defense who watchs his quarterback, wide reiever, or running back as they start to get this money because I'm not sure what percentage of the photos on shirts or anything else will be on any other position.

This is when you start to learn, life isn't fair, and some people are just going to value what others do more than what you do.

 

[Irishfan]

This is when you start to learn, life isn't fair, and some people are just going to value what others do more than what you do.

Under these new rules, that player (or his parents) just starts contacting all teams that appear to need an offensive lineman. Start a bidding war. Top offer gets your services.

 

[noeynox]

Under these new rules, that player (or his parents) just starts contacting all teams that appear to need an offensive lineman. Start a bidding war. Top offer gets your services.

Lets wait to see what the rules are. I find the teeth gnashing over this stuff amazing. Here is an opportunity for the NCAA to get out in front this before 2023. Is there any justification for paying Mark Emmert millions?

 

[huskymedic]

Is there any justification for paying Mark Emmert millions?

Of course there is... he gets to play the role of piñata while the University Presidents sit back and laugh while counting their money.

 

[Irishfan]

Lets wait to see what the rules are. I find the teeth gnashing over this stuff amazing. Here is an opportunity for the NCAA to get out in front this before 2023. Is there any justification for paying Mark Emmert millions?

Is your concern that players should be able to negotiate a payment, or that Emmert gets paid too much.

 

[noeynox]

Is your concern that players should be able to negotiate a payment, or that Emmert gets paid too much.

I have no complaint. Just that this is coming to a head and there will be changes.

 

[noeynox]

Of course there is... he gets to play the role of piñata while the University Presidents sit back and laugh while counting their money.

He gets paid a lot. Its the least he could do.

 

[freescooter]

By the way the analysis by yahoo is nonsense. Urban schools are not benefitting. Too much competition. Who do you want selling your product , Tom Brady or the quarterback from BC? Daquan Barkley or the starting running back from Rutgers? Point guard for the Knicks or point guard for St Johns. This is the wrong solution to a problem.

 

[Steelerone]

You'll have to suck it up and be happy you are on tv and still getting a free education. What else are you going to do, quit?

My point was that there is bound to be jealousies between teammates and that will eventually affect their play on the field.

 

[Exit 4]

My point was that there is bound to be jealousies between teammates and that will eventually affect their play on the field.

There will be some crazy stuff going on for sure when you now add $ to the mix. More kids are bound to row for themselves and not for others or the team.

 

[AAC Guru]

This is when you start to learn, life isn't fair, and some people are just going to value what others do more than what you do.

I definitely think it’s coming. I see 3 “super power” leagues breaking away from the NCAA and forming its own governing

The coaches get paid insane money, because the money is there. If the money is not there and you want to compete with the places that have the money you create a subsidy. The real answers is for the schools that don't have the money is to tell the schools with the money. You know all 20 or 30 of them to go form their own division. The rest could then play on a level playing field. I wonder why they don't do that?

Good points. I definitely think it’s coming. I see 3 “super power” leagues breaking away from the NCAA and forming its own governing body.

 

[Irishfan]

The coaches get paid insane money, because the money is there. If the money is not there and you want to compete with the places that have the money you create a subsidy. The real answers is for the schools that don't have the money is to tell the schools with the money. You know all 20 or 30 of them to go form their own division. The rest could then play on a level playing field. I wonder why they don't do that?

What would be the advantage for the power 5 schools that don’t go with the top 20 or 30 to their new division? It seems like all that would do is eliminate the bulk of the money that the rest of the power 5 teams get from their TV contracts that are generated from the interest in those same top 20 or 30 teams.

 

[RedSoloCup]

The coaches get paid insane money, because the money is there. If the money is not there and you want to compete with the places that have the money you create a subsidy. The real answers is for the schools that don't have the money is to tell the schools with the money. You know all 20 or 30 of them to go form their own division. The rest could then play on a level playing field. I wonder why they don't do that?

While this was not my original thought and I can't remember who to attribute it to, I think their own need for a winning record, especially a high win percentage, is a factor in that.

If the top 30-40 break out, the pressure to maintain their high winning percentage will remain. They will not have the abilty to beat the bottom half or two-thirds of their conference to prop the win total. Every game will be that much more important.

My take is that while that may make great TV, the work and recurring and coaching and scheduling just get harder. They will be the semi-pro league, where the NFL will eventually feed from.

These are teams that don't schedule in the northern states at all or never late in the year. They are not signing up for additional adversity.

 

[huskymedic]

Ralph Russo AP College Football Writer: Analysis: Lacking foresight, NCAA playing defense again

>>It is important to point out the NCAA is the schools. The rules are made and passed by school administrators and university presidents. Emmert does not have power to enact policy and there is not a cabal of bureaucrats in Indianapolis pulling the strings. The one time Emmert did try to get out in front of something was in 2011, when he pushed for a $2,000 a year cost-of-attendance stipend for athletes. Membership rebelled. Wilken later ruled the NCAA could not prohibit cost-of-attendance stipends, and now most schools are paying more than they would have under Emmert’s plan.<<

>>But forward-thinking leadership across the board in college sports is lacking, and it worries many athletic directors who don’t see allowing athletes access to a free market as an unmanageable problem. The prospect of a wide receiver, point guard or midfielder becoming a social media influencer, starting a side business giving lessons in their sports or making $25 a pop for leaving fans personalized voice messages through companies such as Cameo is not keeping administrators up at night.

There will be challenges. Especially, as it relates to recruiting in the most high-profile sports. But athletic programs are already facing those challenges and it’s possible a regulated free market could eat into a black market of payments to players that is near impossible for NCAA enforcement to disrupt.<<