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SubbaBub said:
Socialist isn't the right word. They consider sport to be part of the public domain in the same way MLB is with its anti-trust exemption. The rules of football, such as they are go back hundreds of years and with it the pyramid system of promotion and relegation.

It's difficult to find a US equivalent. It's not socislist, it's popular self governance.
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This certainly makes much more sense.

After all, there are no salary caps or revenue sharing. Whatever you think of the NFL's politics, the fact is that it does have revenue sharing and a salary cap.

None of these European leagues are even thinking about such things. Leicesters don't seem to happen very often, if at all.
 
Just for kicks, the Super League should now invite Benfica, Porto, Celtic, Olympiakos, Napoli, Roma, Ajax, and a few others to take Chelsea and Man City's place.
 
The system is broken, whether this Super League happens or not. UEFA, FIFA, the clubs- everyone is self serving. I see why the 12 teams broke away- PSG would have done it but their ownership owns Bein Sport which has rights to the Champions League so that is their conflict at the moment. Bayern Munich were one of the original teams looking to breakaway when the documents were released a few years ago. Their U-turn is more about keeping status quo in a dominant position in the Bundesliga AND how it plays out for them in Champions League.

Ultimately, for Champions League to work properly, UEFA needs to be cleaned up. FIFA needs to be cleaned up and not award World Cups that disrupt every league while taking bribes and hushing it up. More money needs to go to the bigger teams because they are the ones with the eyeballs. More money needs to go to smaller leagues to help support the growth of the game.

The premise wasn't wrong for this Super League. Game attendance is down all over the world and especially amongst the younger generation. Opening up to the world makes it easier to make money. People want to see big matchups. The premise that a vast underdog can win the whole shebang at least in England, has come up twice in the last 10 years- Leicester City winning the Premier League and Wigan getting to an FA Cup final. The romanticism of that underdog is strong, but is rare.
 
upstater said:
This certainly makes much more sense.

After all, there are no salary caps or revenue sharing. Whatever you think of the NFL's politics, the fact is that it does have revenue sharing and a salary cap.

None of these European leagues are even thinking about such things. Leicesters don't seem to happen very often, if at all.
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It's just so different. Much of that comes from relegation, but there is also development. Vast resources pour in to the development of young players. Things like this do not happen in the U.S. leagues. They recruited a 13 year old to come to Spain from Argentina. Many of the smaller clubs exist by developing and selling talent.

20 years ago: Lionel Messi's first Barcelona training session - AS.com
 
That fell apart rather quick lol

League play is still so broken though. Bayern, PSG, and Juve are uncontested every single year. Barca/Real/Atletico have finished 1,2,3 in La Liga for the past decade. And City/United/Chelsea/Liverpool have won like 19 of the last 20 EPL seasons.

Soccer needs a salary cap if they want to truly balance out the top clubs, but there's no way top clubs would vote to destroy their own teams.
 
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aburks41 said:
That fell apart rather quick lol

League play is still so broken though. Bayern, PSG, and Juve are uncontested every single year. Barca/Real/Atletico have finished 1,2,3 in La Liga for the past decade. And City/United/Chelsea/Liverpool have won like 19 of the last 20 EPL seasons.

Soccer needs a salary cap if they want to truly balance out the top clubs, but there's no way top clubs would vote to destroy their own teams.
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Juve is not winning the title this season and PSG probably isn’t either.
 
theathletic.com

Ed Woodward: Manchester United chairman to resign after European Super League storm

Ed Woodward has resigned as Manchester United executive vice-chairman and will leave at the end of 2021. Woodward’s resignation comes after Manchester United were heavily criticised by their own supporters for agreeing to join a breakaway European Super League. “I am extremely proud to have...
theathletic.com theathletic.com

smell ya later A-hol!
 
aburks41 said:
That fell apart rather quick lol

League play is still so broken though. Bayern, PSG, and Juve are uncontested every single year. Barca/Real/Atletico have finished 1,2,3 in La Liga for the past decade. And City/United/Chelsea/Liverpool have won like 19 of the last 20 EPL seasons.

Soccer needs a salary cap if they want to truly balance out the top clubs, but there's no way top clubs would vote to destroy their own teams.
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Juve is sitting in 4th in Serie A only 2 points ahead of Napoli and on the verge of not qualifying for the Champions League. They also lost to Porto in the Champions League who were not even mentioned as being an option for the Super League.
 
Yup, not surprised. Credit to the fans in England, they made their voices heard. Chelsea fans hat a sit in preventing their team bus from getting to the Bridge to play their game. The scenes when they found out that Chelsea dropped out were a joy to take in.
 
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aburks41 said:
That fell apart rather quick lol

League play is still so broken though. Bayern, PSG, and Juve are uncontested every single year. Barca/Real/Atletico have finished 1,2,3 in La Liga for the past decade. And City/United/Chelsea/Liverpool have won like 19 of the last 20 EPL seasons.

Soccer needs a salary cap if they want to truly balance out the top clubs, but there's no way top clubs would vote to destroy their own teams.
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Euro soccer is pure capitalism. just like Formula 1. Here are the rules, spend as much as you want to win (fair play rules acknowledged). Compare that to NASCAR, MLB, NFL, and every US sport that uses financial controls to feed more money into ownership and reward poor management because they are guaranteed membership.

In the EPL, you suck, you drop and along with it your money. While the big clubs make more money because they have been good for a long time and have developed strong fanbases and income streams, the Fair Play rules limit where you can draw money from. Basically, you can pour money you earn from club operations back into the club. You can't say use your oil oligarchy to fund your team. Several clubs have been busted skirting the rules but for the most part they work. You earn your way to the top.
 


No English, French or German clubs. No Atleti or Barca. Good luck!
 
Unless other clubs wreck their old stadiums and build new ones and draw enough fans to keep up with those that draw in excess of 40,000, the pyramid scheme is gradually becoming outdated. In a way, it already is.
 
Butch said:
The price of Juventus stock going up says everything that needs to be said. Dortmund will probably be replaced by Leipzig as a "founding club".
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Loving looking back at these very dumb comments by people who clearly have rotten American "money means everthing in every case" Brain.

Doesn't apply to other cultures that value fairness, equity among partners, etc.

EU is a vastly, vastly different beast than America, no one gives a shzzzt about Juventus' stock price lololololol
 
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Waquoit said:
I was captive and watched the second half of Lakers-Jazz last Sat. Brutally bad, nobody runs anymore.
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The last 3 years have had the highest pace/tempo since the mid 1980s, about 100 possessions per game. Only the late 60s were significantly faster, and only slightly - ~103-106 possessions per game.

www.basketball-reference.com

NBA League Averages - Per Game | Basketball-Reference.com

NBA League Averages - Per Game
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bmayuc said:
Loving looking back at these very dumb comments by people who clearly have rotten American "money means everthing in every case" Brain.

Doesn't apply to other cultures that value fairness, equity among partners, etc.

EU is a vastly, vastly different beast than America, no one gives a shzzzt about Juventus' stock price lololololol
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I am very well aware. But you have to understand that this is a business after all, and the European societal elite wanted the Super League to happen, as Agnelli is someone who represents such people.

So if you are lololololing at me, I am well aware of the cultural effects this league would have. But guess what? Rich people are way more powerful than you and I and all other plebes. Lolololol...I am glad I had no kids.

You think cultures of plebes triumph that of the elite? You are in for a rude awakening. Then you might remember who was very dumb.
 
Butch said:
I am very well aware. But you have to understand that this is a business after all, and the European societal elite wanted the Super League to happen, as Agnelli is someone who represents such people.

So if you are lololololing at me, I am well aware of the cultural effects this league would have. But guess what? Rich people are way more powerful than you and I and all other plebes. Lolololol...I am glad I had no kids.

You think cultures of plebes triumph that of the elite? You are in for a rude awakening. Then you might remember who was very dumb.
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You are aware that soccer fans took to the street with their displeasure and all the rich people were suddenly forced to drop out right?
 
navery12 said:
You are aware that soccer fans took to the street with their displeasure and all the rich people were suddenly forced to drop out right?
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Of course. Unfortunately, it's only a matter of time they flex their muscle, PRC-style.

It's a brave new world....
 
This is what Florentino Perez refers to when speaking of soccer having it's proper place. There's only 7 would have been Super League teams on the whole list. European soccer teams have not appreciated in value as American franchises have. With a top-tier locked-in pan European League, some teams would probably become worth more than the Cowboys and Yankees.

www.forbes.com

The World’s Most Valuable Sports Teams 2020

The cutoff to rank among the 50 most valuable sports franchises is $2.2 billion, up $125 million from a year ago. The Dallas Cowboys top the list for the fifth straight year.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

Juventus isn't even on the list.
 
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Atlanta United is worth more than Leicester City and Ajax Amsterdam? This has to be a joke.

Well, goes to prove promotion and relegation has become outdated. No one is catching up with the most valuable clubs unless you invest a billion, though I'd find a way to sneak in AS Roma and Ajax Amsterdam into the Super League. Can't skip those 2 markets, at least. Might want to do a league larger than 20.
 
The NHL had higher revenue than ALL European soccer leagues in 2018, besides the Premier League.

NHL makes more than all European soccer leagues except one.

The Chinese Super League will very likely overtake European competition unless they form a continental league with the highest revenue generating "clubs".

Empires are built on the backs of the poor; that should be old news.
 
navery12 said:
You are aware that soccer fans took to the street with their displeasure and all the rich people were suddenly forced to drop out right?
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I don't think he is.
 
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