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The EPL would cease to exist if they banned their top 6 clubs. They have absolutely zero leverage over them and the clubs know it
Couldn't disagree more. It's not just the leagues themselves but a nation of soccer fans who's cities and towns share an appreciation for their history, their local FC's, and a sliver of hope. Those teams would be outcasts and slide from relevance very quickly. Doubtful the First Divisions would take them back so quickly.

Greed is not always good and this would be a perfect example.
 
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110% disagree. you clearly dont have an appreciation for international football. most countries wouldnt be affected by this. so brazil and argentina and germany and spain and france and england lose a few players each from their national teams, they have dozens of others good enough to make the squad. the other 200 countries would rejoice at an improved chance to win a championship. nothing will ever stop 1 billion+ people watching the world cup,nothing. maybe this actually brings some parity since only 8 countries have ever won.

And not just this point - but if you are an elite soccer talent, you have like 100 teams you can play for and make roughly the same $$. Its kinda like what we are seeing in the NBA the last 10-15 years where the players have a huge amount of power. The talent drain to these 15 clubs if they actually get banned from FIFA/UEFA tourneys is immense. Any of these guys can just go to PSG or Bayern and still play for the flag in their side time.
 
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110% disagree. you clearly dont have an appreciation for international football.

most countries wouldnt be affected by this. so brazil and argentina and germany and spain and france and england lose a few players each from their national teams, they have dozens of others good enough to make the squad. the other 200 countries would rejoice at an improved chance to win a championship. maybe this actually brings some parity since only 8 countries have ever won.

nothing will ever stop 1 billion+ people watching the world cup, nothing. country over club always.
Yeah World Cup is more like March Madness. People root for the laundry and it's a short term spectacle. You may still have a breakout mainstream star like Mbappe or whatever, but in general it's more about the countries than the players.
 
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Couldn't disagree more. It's not just the leagues themselves but a nation of soccer fans who's cities and towns share an appreciation for their history, their local FC's, and a sliver of hope. Those teams would be outcasts and slide from relevance very quickly. Doubtful the First Divisions would take them back without major concessions.

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Yeah World Cup is more like March Madness. People root for the laundry and it's a short term spectacle. You may still have a breakout mainstream star like Mbappe or whatever, but in general it's more about the countries than the players.
If you take the top 250+ players from March madness it would be a weakened product and in general people would care less. If England, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Italy and the likes are all sending their b and c teams, you lose the David vs Goliath storyline and it becomes more ordinary. Just knowing the best players in the world wouldn’t be participating weakens the entire meaning of the tournament.
 
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Yeah World Cup is more like March Madness. People root for the laundry and it's a short term spectacle. You may still have a breakout mainstream star like Mbappe or whatever, but in general it's more about the countries than the players.
i agree with the first part but it's not really short term. qualification for the world cup includes continental tournaments like the EUROs and Copa America, which are going on every four years as well, meaning there are huge tourneys every two years, which national teams are also needing to play games in order to qualify for. it's essentially always going on.
 
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And not just this point - but if you are an elite soccer talent, you have like 100 teams you can play for and make roughly the same $$. Its kinda like what we are seeing in the NBA the last 10-15 years where the players have a huge amount of power. The talent drain to these 15 clubs if they actually get banned from FIFA/UEFA tourneys is immense. Any of these guys can just go to PSG or Bayern and still play for the flag in their side time.
The elite players will go where they are paid the most, which will inevitably be this super league. The impact will trickle down and weaken every club beneath it. So the elite player will probably pick from these twelve clubs and possibly 5 more.
 
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If you take the top 250+ players from March madness it would be a weakened product and in general people would care less. If England, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Italy and the likes are all sending their b and c teams, you lose the David vs Goliath storyline and it becomes more ordinary. Just knowing the best players in the world wouldn’t be participating weakens the entire meaning of the tournament.
Casual fans that watch March Madness and fill out brackets often don't even know a single player in the whole tournament to begin with. They root for their alma mater or the coolest mascot or the school that their niece goes to or the local team or just the trendy pick to win it all.
 
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If you take the top 250+ players from March madness it would be a weakened product and in general people would care less. If England, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Italy and the likes are all sending their b and c teams, you lose the David vs Goliath storyline and it becomes more ordinary. Just knowing the best players in the world wouldn’t be participating weakens the entire meaning of the tournament.
the countries that won would be celebrating just as crazily and they would have the added joy of calling the other countries players' sell outs. you expressing a very American viewpoint on this
 
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Casual fans that watch March Madness and fill out brackets often don't even know a single player in the whole tournament to begin with. They root for their alma mater or the coolest mascot or the school that their niece goes to or the local team or just the trendy pick to win it all.
International soccer fans aren’t that casual. I get country over club, but not when the majority of your top players are ruled ineligible. The argument is most likely moot anyway. FIFA will never take it that far. They are playing hardball to try and get a piece of the pie.
 
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the countries that won would be celebrating just as crazily and they would have the added joy of calling the other countries players' sell outs. you expressing a very American viewpoint on this
Actually, I am thinking as an Italian American and how my family in Italy will view it. I am assuming the English and Brazilians will think similarly.
 
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Actually, I am thinking as an Italian American and how my family in Italy will view it.
apparently you havent spoken with them in quite sometime or ever watched a world cup with them
 
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football is religion throughout most of the world so you're talking blasphemous nonsense
No one is arguing that. The point is, if you relegate the traditional powers to playing their third string, the whole tournament changes. You are so convinced it doesn’t. I will take the under on a billion people viewership.
 
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Thought I saw no German or French club is in this (yet)? I’m sure PSG will be in
 
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I genuinely don’t understand why anyone who professes to love the game would be in favor of this. It’s nonsensical.
Pay attention. No one is. We are discussing the ramifications. Outside the 12 club owners, no one likes this idea.
 
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Pay attention. No one is. We are discussing the ramifications. Outside the 12 club owners, no one likes this idea.
There's people in this thread supporting the idea
 
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I really doubt this happens. The
Co-dependence is too strong. The only way the 12 clubs see this through is if they don’t get the bigger cut from domestic leagues, champions league, and Europa that they have been asking for. This time, they took the threat farther and surely will get their way.
 
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If they didn't have permanent members, it could work.
 
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Bayern Munich has a strong interest in this league, they don't oppose it. If anything, they're trying to figure out how to get around FIFA.


Minor league baseball here is now so stale.
 

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