ESPN Tonight: Tremont Waters & Steve Enoch

[Hey Adrien!]

I'm not a fan of hyperbole, but would you guys argue that Waters has the best ball control in the nation?

There was one play late in the 2nd that was a small detail, but it blew my mind. There were a bunch of bigs fighting for a loose ball, I think Reid/Washington/Bigby-Williams, those type of guys and out of nowhere the Waters is right near the ball, taps it just perfectly so it bounces square in front of him and protected away from Kentucky's length.

 

[donyell34]

He is. You are.

And so on.

He didn't need a redshirt year, he needed a competent coach who gave a crap.

Should have had both. It's a loss.

 

[Tommyboy]

That particular play...last two minutes of the second half and the overtime periods.

Never understood the whole timing of those reviews. If it’s reviewable it should be reviewable all game or not at all.

 

[tcf15]

 

[Lefty2one]

His J looks much better. He still lacks explosiveness and is unbelievably bad defensively. Keep your eyes glued to him in the highlights below. Might as well have a folding chair out there. He also can't get a rebound in traffic.

 

[Friendship]

Louisville with the A+ choke job

 

[Ricker]

Besides losing Enoch, I always liked Nwora when he played with Chol Mariel. as well as Alpha Diallo, Wenyan Gabriel, and Hamidou playing together in that same tournament. Can somebody wind back the clock a couple years so we get a chance to for the recent past to play out like it should have? Also my last plug for Zane Meeks this year. I wish we would give him a chance.

 

[gtcam]

Enoch has improved his game offensively in a few areas - had a whole year to work on it
I am surprised he is such a liability on defense - horrible and had a year against better comp in practice
Cant rebound in a crowd
We have Cobb who can score and the defensive skills are a toss-up
I can't say I miss him or wish he was still at UConn but I wish him the best. - not his father

He is. You are.

And so on.

He didn't need a redshirt year, he needed a competent coach who gave a crap.

And his new Competent coach has taught him so much about defense and rebounding in nearly 2 years
And so on

 

[Horatio]

Painful to watch him. Oh well

 

[Excalibur]

And his new Competent coach has taught him so much about defense and rebounding in nearly 2 years
And so on

10.4 Rebounds per 40 minutes is bad?

He maxed out a 7.6 per 40 while here . . .

 

[Hi-Low]

10.4 Rebounds per 40 minutes is bad?

He maxed out a 7.6 per 40 while here . . .

Nobody plays 40 mins in CBB, if they did lots of players would average 10 rebounds, especially if they are 6-10. Sorry but 5 rebounds & 1/2 block in 20 mins per game for a 6-10 250 guy is not anything special, it's ordinary.

Enoch developed a jump shot with his free time sitting out a year but his defense is still pretty bad.

 

[Excalibur]

Nobody plays 40 mins in CBB, if they did lots of players would average 10 rebounds, especially if they are 6-10. Sorry but 5 rebounds & 1/2 block in 20 mins per game for a 6-10 250 guy is not anything special, it's ordinary.

Enoch developed a jump shot with his free time sitting out a year but his defense is still pretty bad.

So he went from bad to ordinary. He must have learned something. Thanks. I got what I was looking for.

 

[Hi-Low]

So he went from bad to ordinary. He must have learned something. Thanks. I got what I was looking for.

Or he is just 2 years older and it's a natural progression from bad to ordinary & ordinary is less than good.

 

[UConnJim]

Enoch looks like a solid 4 year college big. He gets better each year, but he has some limits. In Enoch's case, he is not a shot blocker/good defensive player and an average rebounder for a big which probably relates to his lack of explosiveness. His shooting and offensive skills have improved.

He could help UConn this year as he and Carlton could have been paired at center which would have made UConn a better team. That said, Enoch was not leading UConn to the AAC championship.

It is interesting to compare Enoch and Carlton. With Enoch gone, Carlton has gotten more minutes to develop.

Stats per 40 minutes:

Enoch: 19.6 pts, 10.4 reb, 1.3 blocks, 0.5 steals, 0.25 assists, 2.7 TOs, 5.4 fouls (FG % = 0.572)

Carlton: 16.2 pts, 11.1 reb, 3.0 blocks, 0.9 steals, 0.5 assists, 2.4 TOs, 5.9 fouls (FG % = 0.616)

 

[QDOG5]

Continuously, and for several years after he graduates too.

This Boneyard time period will in the future be referenced as the Enoch Epoch.

 

[awfuldan]

Enoch looks like a solid 4 year college big. He gets better each year, but he has some limits. In Enoch's case, he is not a shot blocker/good defensive player and an average rebounder for a big which probably relates to his lack of explosiveness. His shooting and offensive skills have improved.

He could help UConn this year as he and Carlton could have been paired at center which would have made UConn a better team. That said, Enoch was not leading UConn to the AAC championship.

It is interesting to compare Enoch and Carlton. With Enoch gone, Carlton has gotten more minutes to develop.

Stats per 40 minutes:

Enoch: 19.6 pts, 10.4 reb, 1.3 blocks, 0.5 steals, 0.25 assists, 2.7 TOs, 5.4 fouls (FG % = 0.572)

Carlton: 16.2 pts, 11.1 reb, 3.0 blocks, 0.9 steals, 0.5 assists, 2.4 TOs, 5.9 fouls (FG % = 0.616)

I'm not an Enoch hater by any means, but it is damning that Carlton averages more assists and less turnovers than Steve. Up until recently, I think Carlton had only 2 assists on the entire year. Woof.

Edit: Josh has 6 total assists and 30 total turnovers. Enoch has 3 (!!!) assists and 32 turnovers.

 

[UConnJim]

10.4 Rebounds per 40 minutes is bad?

He maxed out a 7.6 per 40 while here . . .

10.4 rebounds per 40 is solid for a big, but not outstanding. Cobb is averaging 14.2 rebounds per 40 minute, Whaley 11.3, and Carlton 11.1.

Think back to some UConn teams which were good rebounders:

UConn rebounds per 40 minutes:

2008/2009:
Thabeet 13.6
Adrien 11.5
Edwards 10.3
Robinson 9.5

2003/2004:
Okafor 14.2
Armstrong 12.3
Villanueva 11.2
Boone 10.5

 

[jibsey]

He’s better than anything we have. His defense is still close to awful, he’s 2 years older he should be better. So many on this board didn’t like him enough to have him take any of Brimahs minutes but he should have. Ollie’s partially to blame so is Enoch.

Neither Carlton or Enoch by themselves is going to get anyone excited but together in our lineup they would have been very useful and other players would have benefitted IMO.

 

[Hi-Low]

10.4 rebounds per 40 is solid for a big, but not outstanding. Cobb is averaging 14.2 rebounds per 40 minute, Whaley 11.3, and Carlton 11.1.

Think back to some UConn teams which were good rebounders:

UConn rebounds per 40 minutes:

2008/2009:
Thabeet 13.6
Adrien 11.5
Edwards 10.3
Robinson 9.5

2003/2004:
Okafor 14.2
Armstrong 12.3
Villanueva 11.2
Boone 10.5

To me the most amazing thing about the 08/09 & 03/04 teams is that we had 4 guys on both teams averaging 10 or more rebounds per 40................just wow! Fair to say that Enoch or Carlton wouldn't have seen much playing time on either of those teams.

 

[UConnJim]

To me the most amazing thing about the 08/09 & 03/04 teams is that we had 4 guys on both teams averaging 10 or more rebounds per 40......just wow! Fair to say that Enoch or Carlton wouldn't have seen much playing time on either of those teams.

In today's basketball world, I don't think Okafor, Charlie V, and Thabeet would have been one and done or only stayed 2 years. This is why the Enochs and Carltons are important in college basketball as they will stay four years. It's just that you can't expect much early in their careers.

 

[huskyinfl]

I'm not an Enoch hater by any means, but it is damning that Carlton averages more assists and less turnovers than Steve. Up until recently, I think Carlton had only 2 assists on the entire year. Woof.

Edit: Josh has 6 total assists and 30 total turnovers. Enoch has 3 (!!!) assists and 32 turnovers.

Bro. One plays losers in the AAC where some games are over by halftime. One plays some of the best teams in the ACC. Please. No one on our teams is stopping Zion or Duke.

 

[mauconnfan]

Bro. One plays losers in the AAC where some games are over by halftime. One plays some of the best teams in the ACC. Please. No one on our teams is stopping Zion or Duke.

Bro neither did Enoch stop Zion when it counted. He didn’t get a big rebound or make a stop when they were gagging he was part of it!

 

[huskyinfl]

Bro neither did Enoch stop Zion when it counted. He didn’t get a big rebound or make a stop when they were gagging he was part of it!

You forgot the part where you claim Carlton is better! Bro do better!

 

[pj]

You forgot the part where you claim Carlton is better! Bro do better!

Carlton has better stats. That doesn't mean he's a better player. Indeed Carlton got his numbers against lesser competition than Enoch. But Enoch's stats are subpar for a high DI starting center. Maybe by his senior year he'll be an above average DI center. Right now he's a quality backup or mediocre-to-poor starter.

 

[superjohn]

This board sometimes. Enoch is a lot better than Carlton.