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intlzncster said:
Defense is far more important from the 5 than offense. Guards and forwards can do all the scoring if need be. Do you need your center to be better than Brimah offensively? Absolutely. You want a guy to at least be able to screen, score garbage, and pass a little. But D is critical.
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Mostly I agree. Defense is critical, and what you need at a minimum is a 5 who plays great interior individual D and help D on drives, and can hedge and recover on high pick & roll. But offensively the minimum is a bit more - guy who can keep defenders honest with a couple of effective individual offensive moves when guarded without help. A baby hook, a solid drop step, an ability to finish when his guy leaves to help. If the opposing D has to be concerned with that offense the perimeter will be more open.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Defense does not win championships, offense does. The greatest defensive front in the history of the NFL was the Philadelphia Eagles with Reggie White, the great Jerome Brown, and Clyde Simmons. I still remember watching them push teams up and down the field, but that great defense as great as it was never won a Superbowl. In baseball the greatest 4 man pitching rotation ever was Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, John Matlack, and Nolan Ryan, but those four did not win the world series that year.
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Re: Philly - That's because Buddy Ryan was the coach and Randall Cunningham the quarterback. And Ryan was way over his head. (aside: I was actually in the locker room with that team for the playoff loss against the Redskins)
 
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How about this one boys and girls?

Ollie: "Steve, you are not playing defense. I can't tell if you are even trying. We coach you and prod you. You say yes, then fail again and again. I can't see you getting much time next year. We need defense from the 5. That's our system".

Enoch: "Got it coach. I'm out".

Ollie on his way back to his office: "Mission accomplished". Then protests too much about his leaving as the door hits Steve in the arse.

I wish SE all the best. If that's what happened I'd totally be OK with KO.
 
Ewekon said:
How about this one boys and girls?

Ollie: "Steve, you are not playing defense. I can't tell if you are even trying. We coach you and prod you. You say yes, then fail again and again. I can't see you getting much time next year. We need defense from the 5. That's our system".

Enoch: "Got it coach. I'm out".

Ollie on his way back to his office: "Mission accomplished".
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Doubtful. We've had a tough time recruiting bigs. I don't see us pushing someone like Enoch out the door
 
huskyrob1 said:
Defense does not win championships, offense does. The greatest defensive front in the history of the NFL was the Philadelphia Eagles with Reggie White, the great Jerome Brown, and Clyde Simmons. I still remember watching them push teams up and down the field, but that great defense as great as it was never won a Superbowl. In baseball the greatest 4 man pitching rotation ever was Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, John Matlack, and Nolan Ryan, but those four did not win the world series that year.
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jordan bell and oregon
 
UConnSwag11 said:
Lol yeah let's compare a 19 year old kid to hall of famers. Okwandu, nolan, and olander were our bigs and we won't two championships, why? Because our defense was great and we had great guard play. You need competent big men. Having studs would be great obviously but if you can get a center who can get 8-8 that's good enough if you surround him with talent. Great guard play wins championships. Get a clue
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This reminds me that in the early Big East before Georgetown had Ewing, Mourning etc. the announcers used to refer to their "three headed center" which was center by committee. Just rotate them and put a respectable game in. They were pretty dominant using that formula.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Strike outs don't count in the run column, only crossing home plate does. GET A CLUE!!!
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This is an interesting exchange. 1964 Dodgers (Koufax and Drysdale) beat the vaunted NY Yankees offense
four straight. My first experience with great pitching beats great hitting. However, in 1954 the Cleveland Indians had four twenty game winners (Feller, Wynn, Lemon and Garcia) (three hall of famers) and a great bullpen (Mossi and Narleski) and won a record 111 games in a 154 game season. The Yankees won 106 games and lost the pennant by 5 games! Nevertheless, Giants won the series in 5 games. So you could make the case that whoever gets hot and maybe toughness is what ultimately counts.
 
dennismenace said:
This is an interesting exchange. 1964 Dodgers (Koufax and Drysdale) beat the vaunted NY Yankees offense
four straight. My first experience with great pitching beats great hitting. However, in 1954 the Cleveland Indians had four twenty game winners (Feller, Wynn, Lemon and Garcia) (three hall of famers) and a great bullpen (Mossi and Narleski) and won a record 111 games in a 154 game season. The Yankees won 106 games and lost the pennant by 5 games! Nevertheless, Giants won the series in 5 games. So you could make the case that whoever gets hot and maybe toughness is what ultimately counts.
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The '54 Indians never had four 20 game winners. The '71 Orioles (palmer, dobson, McNally, cuellar) and the 1920 white Sox are the only teams to ever do that
 
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Baseball is the one sport where it's a crap shoot once you get in the playoffs. There so many things happening and margins for error the best teams don't always win and even during the season the best vs worst team is never a guaranteed victory
 
Some guys on the URI forum have heard he'll end up at URI or PC. Personally I could definitely see him at PC. They have a lot of depth next year while he'll sit out and then he'd be a 2 year starter for a local team in the NBE
 
huskyrob1 said:
Defense does not win championships, offense does. The greatest defensive front in the history of the NFL was the Philadelphia Eagles with Reggie White, the great Jerome Brown, and Clyde Simmons. I still remember watching them push teams up and down the field, but that great defense as great as it was never won a Superbowl. In baseball the greatest 4 man pitching rotation ever was Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, John Matlack, and Nolan Ryan, but those four did not win the world series that year.
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And the 3 best offenses I've personally witnessed didn't win it either (Rams 2001, Patriots 2007, Atlanta 2016). So what?
 
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huskyrob1 said:
I hope you're not suggesting that they're blowing teams out by 30-35 a game because of defense.
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Actually yeah. They don't get it track meets. Every single thing the UCONN women do starts from their defense.

If the other team only scores 20 points, they could score only 55 and blow them out by 35.

If you went asked Geno whether they win more because of offense or defense, I'd bet all the money in the world he'd tell you the latter. Calhoun too.

Reminiscent of JC's famous rebounding drill, the women's renowned practice drill is "four-on-seven": four on defense, seven on offense. Doesn't end until the defense makes a stop, no matter if people are falling over or it's lasting 1+ hours. Geno's a defense first guy.
 
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intlzncster said:
And the 3 best offenses I've personally witnessed didn't win it either (Rams 2001, Patriots 2007, Atlanta 2016). So what?
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Stop playing games, you know as well as I that you have to have a little bit of each. Question is what's the more important "each", I say it is offense and you say otherwise. Let's just leave it at that.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Stop playing games, you know as well as I that you have to have a little bit of each. Question is what's the more important "each", I say it is offense and you say otherwise. Let's just leave it at that.
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If you stop a team from ever scoring how do you lose?
 
huskyrob1 said:
Stop playing games, you know as well as I that you have to have a little bit of each. Question is what's the more important "each", I say it is offense and you say otherwise. Let's just leave it at that.
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Not playing games at all. Just showcasing the facts as they present themselves in the natural world.

Of course both components is critical. Having a gaping hole at one end of the floor is general as losing proposition. No one would argue otherwise. So yes, the question is then, which is more important.

Very simply Looking throughout history at sports, it's hard to come up with primarily offensive teams that have won it all. It's pretty easy to find primarily defense oriented teams.

Again, using the article somebody posted above about the Top 5 defenses ever:

1985 Bears
2000 Ravens
2015 Broncos
2013 Seahawks
1986 Giants

Every single one of them won the Superbowl.

And in my opinion 4 of the top 5 (or so) best offenses ever:

2013 Broncos
2016 Atlanta
2007 Patriots
2001 Rams

None of them won the Superbowl.

The best defense usually cancels out the best offense, year in, year out.
 
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intlzncster said:
Actually yeah. They don't get it track meets. Every single thing the UCONN women do starts from their defense.

If the other team only scores 20 points, they could score only 55 and blow them out by 35.

If you went asked Geno whether they win more because of offense or defense, I'd bet all the money in the world he'd tell you the latter. Calhoun too.

Reminiscent of JC's famous rebounding drill, the women's renowned practice drill is "four-on-seven": four on defense, seven on offense. Doesn't end until the defense makes a stop, no matter if people are falling over or it's lasting 1+ hours. Geno's a defense first guy.
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Sure it's their defense but the offense is beautiful thing to watch.
 
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intlzncster said:
Not playing games at all. Just showcasing the facts as they present themselves in the natural world.

Of course both components is critical. Having a gaping hole at one end of the floor is general as losing proposition. No one would argue otherwise. So yes, the question is then, which is more important.

Very simply Looking throughout history at sports, it's hard to come up with primarily offensive teams that have won it all. It's pretty easy to find primarily defense oriented teams.

Again, using the article somebody posted above about the Top 5 defenses ever:

1985 Bears
2000 Ravens
2015 Broncos
2013 Seahawks
1986 Giants

Every single one of them won the Superbowl.

And in my opinion 4 of the top 5 (or so) best offenses ever:

2013 Broncos
2016 Atlanta
2007 Patriots
2001 Rams

None of them won the Superbowl.

The best defense usually cancels out the best offense, year in, year out.
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As usual, you are wrong. The best NFL defense ever was the 91 Eagles, and if you argue that then I know you're full of it. The 91 Eagles never even made the playoffs. They didn't have an offense.

1991 Philadelphia Eagles season - Wikipedia
 
huskyrob1 said:
As usual, you are wrong. The best NFL defense ever was the 91 Eagles, and if you argue that then I know you're full of it. The 91 Eagles never even made the playoffs. They didn't have an offense.

1991 Philadelphia Eagles season - Wikipedia
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Nobody said you could be completely devoid at one end of the field or the other.

And most observers don't think the 1991 Eagles were the best ever. You are kind of in a category of your own there. Outside of Eagles fans I guess.
 
huskyrob1 said:
As usual, you are wrong. The best NFL defense ever was the 91 Eagles, and if you argue that then I know you're full of it. The 91 Eagles never even made the playoffs. They didn't have an offense.

1991 Philadelphia Eagles season - Wikipedia
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They had an excellent defense for the entirety of Reggie White's time there, their defensive front was ridiculous (many experts believe Jerome Brown was as good of a player as Reggie), they had talent at LB & safety (although speed there could have been improved on) and two top flight CBs. Bud Carson's willingness to change up things (from Buddy Ryan's always running the 46) brought the defense to an even higher level. They were without question one of the great defenses of all time.

That said, Football Outsider's ranking does not mean that they are definitively the best defense ever. I am sure they are when using FO's criteria but until their criteria is examined (and contested with other rankings) it wouldn't even be possible to have a semi-informed debate as to which set of ranking criteria is more valid. With a full understanding of their criteria, who was the defense e er would still be an opinion, Not a fact.
 
KSC94 said:
Some guys on the URI forum have heard he'll end up at URI or PC. Personally I could definitely see him at PC. They have a lot of depth next year while he'll sit out and then he'd be a 2 year starter for a local team in the NBE
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F.ck PC
 
My money would be on Providence right now.
 
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