Enoch is transferring

[UCweCONN]

Can this thread be moved to the football forum? WTF does greatest NFL defenses of all time have to do with Enoch transferring? The thought process of some members of this board is mind boggling. Besides, the '85 Bears were without a doubt the greatest defense of all-time..... I suspect a lot of posters weren't born or were too young to remember them.

 

[intlzncster]

Can this thread be moved to the football forum? WTF does greatest NFL defenses of all time have to do with Enoch transferring? The thought process of some members of this board is mind boggling. Besides, the '85 Bears were without a doubt the greatest defense of all-time..... I suspect a lot of posters weren't born or were too young to remember them.

Criticizes posters' tangents...goes off on a tangent. Classic Yard.

 

[UCweCONN]

Criticizes posters' tangents...goes off on a tangent. Classic Yard.

It's called humor..... Maybe I should've made it clearer..... Actually, I didn't go off on a tangent, I stayed on a tangent.

 

[upstater]

Not playing games at all. Just showcasing the facts as they present themselves in the natural world.

Of course both components is critical. Having a gaping hole at one end of the floor is general as losing proposition. No one would argue otherwise. So yes, the question is then, which is more important.

Very simply Looking throughout history at sports, it's hard to come up with primarily offensive teams that have won it all. It's pretty easy to find primarily defense oriented teams.

Again, using the article somebody posted above about the Top 5 defenses ever:

1985 Bears
2000 Ravens
2015 Broncos
2013 Seahawks
1986 Giants

Every single one of them won the Superbowl.

And in my opinion 4 of the top 5 (or so) best offenses ever:

2013 Broncos
2016 Atlanta
2007 Patriots
2001 Rams

None of them won the Superbowl.

The best defense usually cancels out the best offense, year in, year out.

I'd say this is typically true but not always.

2014 Patriots over Seattle is an example of offense over defense. For that matter, so is 2003 Patriots over Carolina. I'm not saying these teams were all time world beaters statistically, but only that offensive explosions over top defenses won the actual games.

 

[intlzncster]

It's called humor..... Maybe I should've made it clearer..... Actually, I didn't go off on a tangent, I stayed on a tangent.

So was mine. The discussion of posters (age) instead of topic was another tangent.

 

[intlzncster]

I'd say this is typically true but not always.

2014 Patriots over Seattle is an example of offense over defense. For that matter, so is 2003 Patriots over Carolina. I'm not saying these teams were all time world beaters statistically, but only that offensive explosions over top defenses won the actual games.

Nothing is always true man, especially when talking about trends. I provided some examples to the contrary.

 

[tjc1888]

I'd say this is typically true but not always.

2014 Patriots over Seattle is an example of offense over defense. For that matter, so is 2003 Patriots over Carolina. I'm not saying these teams were all time world beaters statistically, but only that offensive explosions over top defenses won the actual games.

2014- yes
2003- No, pats were number 1 ranked defense. Were middle of the road on offense.

 

[intlzncster]

2014- yes
2003- No, pats were number 1 ranked defense. Were middle of the road on offense.

Think he was talking of the final game itself -- with a score of 32-29 (which is why I didn't argue that one). But I agree with both of you there.

 

[mauconnfan]

I really hope Steve thinks his choice out before he makes a decision. Like it or not there are a few high level programs that would tell him anything for him to come there and be their back up. He should choose a school he can get the time he needs to play and get better, more like a Manhattan, Iona like Sam Jr, Siena not another program at Husky level where he's going to get recruited over next year while sitting out.

I wish him all the luck in the world hope this decision works for him!

 

[UCweCONN]

I really hope Steve thinks his choice out before he makes a decision. Like it or not there are a few high level programs that would tell him anything for him to come there and be their back up. He should choose a school he can get the time he needs to play and get better, more like a Manhattan, Iona like Sam Jr, Siena not another program at Husky level where he's going to get recruited over next year while sitting out.

I wish him all the luck in the world hope this decision works for him!

Fairfield. Close to home and he could shine there.

 

[Ewekon]

My bad, I totally meant to type Diarra, thanks for correcting me and being a about it.

And thank you for your keen insight into UConn basketball

 

[Connrack]

I really hope Steve thinks his choice out before he makes a decision. Like it or not there are a few high level programs that would tell him anything for him to come there and be their back up. He should choose a school he can get the time he needs to play and get better, more like a Manhattan, Iona like Sam Jr, Siena not another program at Husky level where he's going to get recruited over next year while sitting out.

I wish him all the luck in the world hope this decision works for him!

If Steve is thinking about transferring to Providence, or a program of similar stature, this may reflect his thinking that he should have progressed further on the court than he did and the coaching staff hindered that progression. The draw of Providence is that there is a general perception that Cooley and staff do a good job of developing their players. I could see Providence taking a stab at him.

 

[upstater]

2014- yes
2003- No, pats were number 1 ranked defense. Were middle of the road on offense.

Think he was talking of the final game itself -- with a score of 32-29 (which is why I didn't argue that one). But I agree with both of you there.

Yes

That Patriots D actually gave up almost a point a minute for the final 30+ of the game. A lot of that had to do with Rodney Harrison breaking an arm.

Carolina had a great D that year.

 

[upstater]

I really hope Steve thinks his choice out before he makes a decision. Like it or not there are a few high level programs that would tell him anything for him to come there and be their back up. He should choose a school he can get the time he needs to play and get better, more like a Manhattan, Iona like Sam Jr, Siena not another program at Husky level where he's going to get recruited over next year while sitting out.

I wish him all the luck in the world hope this decision works for him!

Would not be surprised if he goes to Syracuse.

 

[intlzncster]

The draw of Providence is that there is a general perception that Cooley and staff do a good job of developing their players. I could see Providence taking a stab at him.

They seem to have done so from the eye test. I mean, it would be hard to really knock they're development results.

 

[WrenchFan69]

Would not be surprised if he goes to Syracuse.

That'd be third on my 'most likely' list behind PC and URI

 

[intlzncster]

Would not be surprised if he goes to Syracuse.

Honestly, if he's dead set on a high major, that's probably the best place he could go. Syracuse is Exhibit A on how to hide a guys defensive deficiencies. Especially inside.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Steve Enoch is not transferring to PC or Cuse, why would either of those schools even sniff him? Paschal Chuckwu can't get on the floor for cuse, and he's better than Enoch will ever be.

 

[Travelman6]

Criticizes posters' tangents...goes off on a tangent. Classic Yard.

I would not really consider a 75 (give or take) word response a tangent.

 

[enochlover12]

Huge loss . Should've been treated better.

 

[UCbcm]

Steve Enoch is not transferring to PC or Cuse, why would either of those schools even sniff him? Paschal Chuckwu can't get on the floor for cuse, and he's better than Enoch will ever be.

Paschal was getting minutes but then lost vision in one of his eyes, which he played with for 4 or 5 games. He didn't want to tell the coaches and lose his minutes. The injury required 3 surgeries. Knocked him out for the year.

 

[dennismenace]

The '54 Indians never had four 20 game winners. The '71 Orioles (palmer, dobson, McNally, cuellar) and the 1920 white Sox are the only teams to ever do that

You are correct. Two 20 game winners, a 19 game winner, 15 game winner and 13 game winner. However, my point was about their dominance and three were Hall of Famers in there prime. Take a look at some gaudy pitching statistics if you like. Also, Hall Newhauser was a Hall of Famer too in the bullpen.

1954 Cleveland Indians Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com

 

[pj]

Would not be surprised if he goes to Syracuse.

I wouldn't either ... Syracuse has a depopulated roster ... and they take big men who hate defense, want to focus on offense, because they can let mediocre defenders stand still near the basket in the middle of the zone. Pascal Chukwu for example: Providence transfer Paschal Chukwu says Syracuse 'is a place where I can make my dream come true' "I'm more focused on what they'll help me do offensively."

 

[Doctor Hoop]

Would not be surprised if he goes to Syracuse.

Well, Boeheim did turn Fab Melo into a first round draft pick ...

 

[Jaker]

We should have a no transfer clause to Cuse.

 

[Horatio]

Enoch's most likely transferring because he refuses to wear that two piece bathing suit another season. They looked like " The Unsullied of Storrs". Poor babies

 

[CTBasketball]

Wherever he goes, I wouldn't put it past him to average 12 and 6. Once a coach teaches him how to play defense, he can be an impact player.

 

[Fishy]

Wherever he goes, I wouldn't put it past him to average 12 and 6. Once a coach teaches him how to play defense, he can be an impact player.

This....is my nightmare.

I think it will happen.

 

[CTBasketball]

This....is my nightmare.

I think it will happen.

It probably will happen. He'll get that redshirt year he originally needed, and if he's stashed behind a good big he can go up against in practice every day, he will be a really good player. He just needed to grow despite his defensive inefficiencies.

 

[boog204]

This....is my nightmare.

I think it will happen.

I think it will too. He was very, very close to being a really good player. A little more seasoning defensively and just relaxing offensively and he's there. Him and Shonn Miller had the best pure, fundamentally sound post moves of any UConn big since Rod Sellers. It wasn't always effective, but it was damn close to being so.